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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Thanks for all the comments.

    Regarding the use of an M9 for landscape shooting, here are my thoughts...

    The M system (M9 in particular) has some advantages and disadvantages for landscape shooting.

    Advantages:
    - 18 MP finally gives enough resolution for large prints with maximum detail
    - WATE is a superb landscape lens
    - Compactness and light weight of M9 kit allows me to hike/walk for miles to get shots that I would not get with my heavy DSLR system (I simply wouldn't lug all the weight across long distances on foot)
    - Superb prime lenses give fantastic image quality without concern for muddy/soft corners, CA, etc.

    Disadvantages:
    - No "live-view". This is huge. With my 5D II, I can set up the shot, then zoom in at 10x on live view to nail the focus with manual focus adjustments. No way to do this on the M9. Just this one feature alone would make the M9 a significantly more powerful landscape camera
    - No lenses beyond 135mm, and even at 135mm, the lenses are often miscalibrated. I often shoot landscape shots between 100-200mm on my Canon system. On the M9, the 90 APO is the longest lens that I really "trust". The 135 APO is good, but is very hard to calibrate for accurate focus, so anything other than infinity focus makes me nervous.

    The M9 is significantly better than the M8 for landscape shooting for a few reasons. The biggest are:
    - 18MP vs 10MP (this really matters in fine-art landscape large prints)
    - Exposure bracketing
    - Uncompressed DNG (I haven't analyzed the impact, but want every ounce of IQ)

    For this trip, I brought my 5DII along with the M9. The 5DII never even made it out of the camera bag. The M9 is the best set of compromises / trade-offs for my needs. Just wish they'd add the live-view (I know they can't do this on the current sensor), and then it would be even better.
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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Mike it seems the one time I step in to the digital ring I overstep the mark.
    Even with no live view you can presumably take a snap,check its focus and exposure,rather like a polaroid back?

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Neil,

    Yes, you can always check the image after the fact, including exposure, focus, and framing. When I'm tripod mounted, and using the WATE, I use the LCD to fine-tune my framing (rather than using the Franken-Finder).

    However, the LCD (after the shot) will only tell me if I got focus or not. Then I can make an adjustment and try again. Maybe after 2-3 tries I'll nail it precisely. The M9 LCD has fairly low resolution, so even this method won't confirm precise focus, but will confirm "general" focus.

    With the 5DII in live-view mode (and the higher resolution screen), I can manually focus until the 10x zoomed image is precisely focused and framed on the very first shot. Then I may only need a follow-up shot to adjust exposure.

    Live View really speeds up this process, and gives you extreme confidence that you've nailed the shot - composition, focus, and exposure.

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    I do see what you mean Mike,but even as is its a big improvement over the film Ms.Ive wasted a lot of film,patience and aspirin trying for exact relationships between parts of a foto;getting something in the foreground to just touch the horizon for example.
    Neil.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hatam View Post
    Neil,

    Yes, you can always check the image after the fact, including exposure, focus, and framing. When I'm tripod mounted, and using the WATE, I use the LCD to fine-tune my framing (rather than using the Franken-Finder).
    HI Mike
    Why use a tripod? . . . I've been experimenting with a quadruped (see picture below). It gets you around a little faster, and much more fun than lugging a tripod around with you.

    Mind you, this afternoon, a conjunction of a Walnuts for sale stand that looked like a pig, a field of steers on one side of the road, a pig farm up ahead, and a BMW X5 going too fast behind induced my quadruped to make a dash for it (something tripods don't usually do). A quick gallop across a freshly sewn field and a few stern words later and things were back to normal. Fortunately the M9 was still in one piece (and the rider).



    Leica M9 35mm Summarit on quadruped.

    My point is that (for me at least - and not in low light) one of the joys of the M9 for landscape is not having to carry a tripod).
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    Brad: This one is just wonderful. The exiled Napoleon arriving at St. Helena?

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Jono... I'll trade my tripod for your quadraped

    Actually, I went without a tripod for much of the Oregon coast. I mainly went without a tripod in daylight. But most of those sunset shots are 4 seconds or longer exposure, with some being around 30 seconds. Tough to do without a tripod
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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Klein View Post
    Brad: This one is just wonderful. The exiled Napoleon arriving at St. Helena?

    http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/show...user=43&i=6491

    Thanks, Peter. It was a nighttime outdoor performance in southern France, a "son et lumiere" (sound and light) show at a local river.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hatam View Post
    Jono... I'll trade my tripod for your quadraped

    Actually, I went without a tripod for much of the Oregon coast. I mainly went without a tripod in daylight. But most of those sunset shots are 4 seconds or longer exposure, with some being around 30 seconds. Tough to do without a tripod
    HI Mike
    After yesterdays behaviour you might have a deal there!
    Of course, I was being flippant, and I do understand that there are circumstances where a tripod is really important. Just that you can do a lot of good work in daylight with an M9 without one.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    I told you Jono, risky! hold on tight, and don't



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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Jono: mike and I talked about you while we were in oregon, specifically about how you never use a tripod and get exemplary shots. Giddyup!

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    My contribution to this effort. The workshop was a lot of fun - great to catch up with some terrific people.

    I shot my M9 and my M8.2 in IR. Most used focal lengths on the M9 were 35. 50, 90 and WATE. I borrowed Mike's excellent 135 but I've never been able to produce interesting images with this focal length.

    I had an epiphany when the M9 arrived: based on specs its sensor is very, very similar to my H3D 39, but exactly half the size. This means that it produces near MF image quality if you stitch three frames, overlapping 50%. Not much use for wildlife and portraits but terrific for landscape.



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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    More below. The IR and the other buildings are stitches from a long-term project on small Western towns.


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    Great stuff, Woody.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    I agree with most of Mike's excellent observations. Live view is of little interest to me - if the trade off is CCD without live view vs CMOS with I'll gladly live without. Having the ability to produce near MF quality with a camera and three lenses that fit into a small AA bag is sensational - the near MF that you have with you is much better than the true MF that's sitting in the gear locker because it breaks your back.

    On handheld I experimented a bit and found that in a landscape application you need two stops faster than the traditional rule of thumb (1/focal length) to produce consistent results. A monopod gets me to the rule of thumb. Most of my images were handheld but I occasionally used a Gitzo G2228 with a Gitzo 1177M ball head and two Novoflex turntables to facilitate stitches. I left my Cube home. This is lighter gear than most others were shooting with, but seemed entirely adequate given the M9's light weight and absence of mirror bounce. It worked well enough that I may shell out for the current version of this tripod, which has non-rotating legs.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    A couple more. The scary-looking one is with an LX3 converted to IR. Happy Halloween Guy.

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    Well I lost my grey hair at least. LOL

    That is really scary, certainly not a friendly people camera.

    Woody you have some really unique shots here that I really like. Love when you go off the beaten path and find interesting images to shoot.
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    Hey Mike,

    Wonderful photographs. I'm especially partial to your BW surf images. The sunsets are just sublime.

    A quick question... is it my imagination or do the images seem more detailed, crisper perhaps than M8 files. Can you see the results of the additional resolution on a computer screen?

    Great trip.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Great work Woody. You have an amazing eye. We shot side-by-side in some of these areas, and yet you saw things that I completely missed.

    The MF comparison is interesting. You validated this when you showed the large prints you had done of the same scene (one shot with MF, and one shot with stitched M9 images), and they were essentially indistinguishable.

    Very useful for those still situations where you plan to make a really large print.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Quote Originally Posted by tollie View Post
    Hey Mike,

    Wonderful photographs. I'm especially partial to your BW surf images. The sunsets are just sublime.

    A quick question... is it my imagination or do the images seem more detailed, crisper perhaps than M8 files. Can you see the results of the additional resolution on a computer screen?

    Great trip.
    Todd,

    The per-pixel resolution of the M8 and M9 are essentially identical. The M9 simply gives you more of those pixels.

    Think of the M8 as just a cropped version of the M9. If you mounted both cameras on a tripod in the same spot, and used the same lens on each, then cropped the edges of the M9 images to cover the same scene as the 1.3x M8, the two images would be indistinguishable at low ISOs.

    At higher ISOs, the M9 would begin to have a noise advantage, although even that advantage is fairly small on a per-pixel level. Most of the noise advantage of the M9 comes from the fact that there are extra pixels, so noise is diminished when you compare M9 images to M8 images at the same total image size (i.e. an 8x10 print).

    Other than the crop factor (narrower field of view), the M8 would produce just as nice images at these web-view sizes. But at large print sizes, the M9's extra pixels really pay off.

    Hope that helps,

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Splendid stuff Woody. I am drawn to the Pacific Gateway Medical Clinic image - the colors are wonderful especially that bit of yellow on the bottom edge set against the greens, greys, and blues, and that marvelous almost grandiose name of the practice on such a modest unassuming building. Wonderful!

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Thanks Mike,

    It does help...

    The max size I print is 17x22.

    At what size would the M9 show a readily apparent advantage?

    Oh... again, for a true MF camera... will the resolution difference be observable on a computer screen... or just on a larger print?

    Many thanks for you taking these kinds of basic questions...

    cheers

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Most likely any size Todd just less enlargement to the M9 going in but at your size in particular 18mpx is almost native which BTW for the M9 is 17.37 x 11.56 at 300 dpi which is about uprezing to 130 percent to get your 22x 17 size which really is not much and still at 300 dpi. At 240 dpi than your almost there native at 21.72 x 14.45
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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    I agree with Guy. You'll notice the difference between the M9 and M8 at that print size (17x22), and probably even at smaller sizes, such as 13x19. At around 11x14, the difference is likely not noticable in print.

    On screen resolution is a tricky thing, because when you view at 100%, the higher megapixel image covers more screen real estate, even if the sensor is not bigger. All pixels are displayed at an equal size when shown on screen. More MP means more total screen area.

    For example, if you have two full-frame sensors, one at 12MP (Nikon D3), and one at 21MP (Canon 1Ds3), and look at them on screen at 100%, the Canon image will stretch to cover a much larger area of screen real estate.

    So in essence, you are "zoomed in" further on the Canon image, compared to the Nikon image. Therefore, the Canon image will appear more noisy, but also more detailed.

    You really need to adjust both images to the same "real estate" size (i.e. print size) to do a fair comparison of the actual image quality, when viewing at 100% on screen. To do that you'd want to up-res the lower MP image to the same number of MP as the higher MP image (upres the Nikon shot to 21MP). Then compare side-by-side on screen.

    Or better yet, print both images at a decently large size (17x22 would be fine), and look at the difference there.

    Comparing web-size images is the worst. At small web-sizes (generally 1000 pixels or less on each side), there's simply nothing to distinguish even a high end MFDB from a 6MP point-and-shoot, provided both are shot in good light with low ISO.
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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    My contribution to this effort. The workshop was a lot of fun - great to catch up with some terrific people.

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    HI Woody
    These two are competely fab - lovely shots.

    I've done a fair bit of stitching with the M9 (and the M8 before it). Not having any MF to compare it with I can't compare it But it certainly does make grand large sized prints.

    I find that under normal circumstances I can just about manage the focal length / shutter speed rule on the M9 - even for fairly critical applications, but only if I have time to compose myself first! Coffee doesn't seem to have a bad effect.

    As for stitching gear . . . I find that careful hand-eye co-ordination does the job! Then I bung them together in photoshop and tidy up, I guess it isn't very professional, but it does seem to work okay.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    Splendid stuff Woody. I am drawn to the Pacific Gateway Medical Clinic image - the colors are wonderful especially that bit of yellow on the bottom edge set against the greens, greys, and blues, and that marvelous almost grandiose name of the practice on such a modest unassuming building. Wonderful!
    Thanks. The clinic is in Drain, Oregon. No kidding on the name. The light was sensational - when I'm traveling as a general rule I stop when the light is good and shoot whatever is at hand - when the light is beautiful it almost doesn't matter where you point the camera.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Jono - On hand held I tested myself and asked what shutter speed do I need to consistently get 10 out of 10 frames without camera movement. This is important in stitching because one poor frame ruins the set. Two stops fast gives me 10 for 10 - one stop fast 6 or 7 for 10 and rule of thumb about 50-50. I may just be over-cafinated. The extra stop of ISO on the M8 really helps in this regard.

    On a monopod I can do 10 out of 10 at the rule of thumb.

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    Thanks. The clinic is in Drain, Oregon. No kidding on the name...
    [off topic]
    Haha. When I was young, my grandfather was honored as the oldest living native of Drain, Oregon. He was living near Portland, OR at the time and traveled to Drain to attend some kind of town celebration there. I've been curious about the origin of the town's name, but not curious enough to look it up.

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    Drain was named after a couple, Charles and Anna Drain, who were the first to settle there in the 1800s.
    Drain, Oregon is the only community named "Drain" in North America.
    (Wikipedia )
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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Jono - On hand held I tested myself and asked what shutter speed do I need to consistently get 10 out of 10 frames without camera movement. This is important in stitching because one poor frame ruins the set. Two stops fast gives me 10 for 10 - one stop fast 6 or 7 for 10 and rule of thumb about 50-50. I may just be over-cafinated. The extra stop of ISO on the M8 really helps in this regard.

    On a monopod I can do 10 out of 10 at the rule of thumb.
    HI Woody
    Of course, one does need 10 out of 10 for a pano . . . . but taking a monopod when skiing or riding isn't too easy (mind you, perhaps a ball head on top of a ski stick is the answer!).

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    This is great

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon Workshop

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    Final sunset series...











    Mike

    I would love to show these images to the folks at LFI because I think they show what the M9 is truly capable of accomplishing.

    Of course I will do nothing if that is your wish. But I would love to get these guys to see what you do, what is capable of being done, and to encourage others who may be on the M9 fence.

    Just let me know what restrictions you may want me to observe including doing nothing if that is your desire

    You are doing really great work. Surely others could benefit by seeing your images.

    Best

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Woody - you are welcome to show the images. I'll drop you a private note regarding this.

    Thanks for the comments. I'm really enjoying the M9!

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    So many inspiring images. Truly impressive work posted throughout this thread. A pleasure to behold.

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Mike and Woody - "Thank you" both - superb images - the quotes around the thnx refer to M9 GAS attack

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    Re: Leica M9 Oregon workshop photos

    Follow-up - after writing the above, the last remaining brain cell kicked in re GAs etc. and I realised while while there's obviously some credit to the M9 the real kudos goes to the photographers
    Thanks again for sharing these beautiful images
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