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    Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    FYI. Sean (www.reidreviews.com subscription site) has posted another excellent review. This time it is a follow-up on the X1 and it includes critical look at things that matter to me such as AF speed, shutter lag, image quality, etc. I am already familiar with the most important feature of the X1 which is its small size having handled the camera at PhotoPlus.

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    I don't care what any review states. When my dealer has it...it's mine.....
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    I thing that camera is a waste of money. I know I will get flamed for it, but how does Leica dare to bring such a camera without IS ? Without a state of the art display ? I mean you are paying 2k for that thing. I have read both "reviews" and what I read, wasn't anything special at all. Yes it has a bigger sensor, but so far that is the ONLY thing which could give a reason to buy such a camera, than again, if I want real image quality I get a real SLR, if I want a pocket camera, I can spend way less and live with the consequences. If I spend 2Ks for a pocket camera, I expect more than Leica delivers. Than again, it looks like I always expect to much of a company which is struggling to survive.^

    In the end I would say, fantastic image quality where the rest is missing.

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    I read somewhere that the X1 has image stabiliser, but don't see it in Sean's review. So.... does it actually have IS?

    See "Fast autofocus with simple, intuitive controls and image stabilizer"

    http://www.popflash.com/index.php?p=...=4316&parent=0

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    it has NO real IS. You can read what Leica CLAIMS to be IS on LL......

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    Yeah, for a camera that relies on an lcd for focusing and composing, leica sure dropped the ball with the screen specs.

    Then again even the M9 uses a ****ty lcd, so I guess that's just not leica's thing

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    Well at least on the M9 I don't have to use it to shoot ;-)

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    Well the range of opinions certainly don't form a bell curve can you say fat tails

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    Reading all reviews, specs and posts, my conclusion is that the X1 is not worth the money.

    Better to go for either a E-P2 or GF1 with pancake lens and you are done very similar quality but much higher flexibility in terms of exchangeable lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    it has NO real IS. You can read what Leica CLAIMS to be IS on LL......
    I certainly would not have expected a company like Leica to use such a misleading claim. Very disappointing.
    M262 ZM 25/2.8 35/1.4 50/2 85/2

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    Both LL and Sean Reid's review are up.
    IQ, ie high iso performance is very impressive, yet AF and single shot to shot speed (shot to shot speed hardly betters the dp2) are disappointing, nowhere near the GF1's performance.
    GXR with large sensor/fast pancake could be the winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    Both LL and Sean Reid's review are up.
    IQ, ie high iso performance is very impressive, yet AF and single shot to shot speed (shot to shot speed hardly betters the dp2) are disappointing, nowhere near the GF1's performance.
    GXR with large sensor/fast pancake could be the winner.
    Slow shutter response is very disappointing and probably a show stopper for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Slow shutter response is very disappointing and probably a show stopper for me.
    I agree. My only use for this camera would be for street shooting, and according to the LL review, it falls short in this area.

    Bummer.

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    Compact size (jacket pocketable a la DP2 and x1) plus high IQ seems no longer the limiting factor.
    But compact size, high IQ plus high functionality remains as a challenge.

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    I do not know about the others but I am getting cold feet on the X1.

    The more I read the more I am not feeling it will produce the images that I expected from it.

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    The best camera I ever saw was the one I could not get yet.
    But in this case, put me on the thumbs down side of the fat tail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The best camera I ever saw was the one I could not get yet.
    But in this case, put me on the thumbs down side of the fat tail
    -bob
    Am on the fence, my name is still second on the list of a NYC Leica dealer. Maybe I should make #3 happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The best camera I ever saw was the one I could not get yet.
    But in this case, put me on the thumbs down side of the fat tail
    -bob
    bob, did you ever get to fondle the GXR?

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    Sadly, no
    See my thread on the visit to Yodobashi at http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11696

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    I find it very interesting that Michael only looked at it from a AF point of view and mentions nothing much at all about the manual focus capability. Sean spent a lot of time in using it in manual focus and seemed to get a lot more out of it for street shooting.

    For instance if you are doing street shooting with an M8 and refocusing all of the time then I can't imagine that you can focus in less than a second or two. So, we prefocus and are ready to go. That's what Sean seemed to be doing with the manual focus.

    For sure he has things for Leica to fix but I think there is a pretty big gap between the way the two tested it and how street shooters would use the camera. All that being said even more admiration for the way that Panasonic has worked out their CDAF considering both compared the X1 to the 20mm lens, which is the slowest focusing lens of all the Panasonic made m4/3 lenses.

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    I'm seeing the camera with a finder....using Hyper-focal on the streets.
    For the few times I would need AF, I'm sure the camera would suffice.

    It's getting a bad rap and it's not been tested properly yet. A short time testing a camera is not really a good way to judge a camera.

    When the Pen 1 came out, there was much said on both sides of the fence. After a few months with it, I love it and it does what I need it to do.

    The X1 seems like a good choice for street shooters. The 35mm fov is perfect and the IQ seems better than right.
    For most streetshooters, this one especially, that's all that matters....

    The good thing is...if it sucks, it will still hold a good resale value.....
    But I don't expect it to come to that...
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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    I agree. I plan to shoot the X1 wide open, auto-shutter, optical viewfinder, AF center point, LCD off except for review, auto ISO limited to 1250. How does it perform in this mode?

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    Shooter, I agree about taking a few weeks/months to come to a solid conclusion about a camera... unfortunately most people don't seem to have the patience for that.

    I've lost count of the number of posts from people who picked a camera up in the shop, or loaned a camera for a couple of weeks before sending it back... only to pontificate on dpreview - what's that got to do with photography?

    Off my soap box now , going for a lie down

    Cheers

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    The X1 is so close yet so far (and so expensive for all that so-far ness.)
    Life is an infinite series of moments called..."now".
    My job is to capture them.

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    one point against it is the shatter lag, even in manual -- it can only be hoped that this is fixed in firmware update. i've been there and done that before, and it's not something i want in a street camera.

    the one thing that cannot be fixed is the placement of the manual focus dial -- right where your thumb rests... that, at least, Sigma got right.

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    I agree. I plan to shoot the X1 wide open, auto-shutter, optical viewfinder, AF center point, LCD off except for review, auto ISO limited to 1250. How does it perform in this mode?
    Well, it looks like you and I are about to find out.
    There's much to see about this camera and hopefully on release, they will in fact have it right.
    Leica worries me somewhat. I got burned on the early M8s, 4 xs and I don't want that experience ever again.
    Let's see what they got........

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    A Pentax Kx with 21/3.2 or 40/2.8 pancake is looking better and better...

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    I thought the Sigmas were a great concept and the Foveon images sure looked to have very good IQ but when i read about the poor focusing performance and lack of responsivness and poor resolution LCD I decided to pass and it wasn't a $2K camera.
    V/r John

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    Supposedly X-1 demand is 3X above what Leica expected: http://www.bjp-online.com/public/sho...ml?page=870832

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Black View Post
    Supposedly X-1 demand is 3X above what Leica expected: http://www.bjp-online.com/public/sho...ml?page=870832
    Where did you see that? It wasn't in the article you linked. What was the expected number? Without detailed numbers statements like that are meaningless. Maybe they only expected demand for 6 units and they actually had demand for 18 units. So what? Pre orders are just that pre orders and many get cancelled before they become real orders and sales. We will know more when they actually start delivering them.

    The article on the S2 was interesting. They don't know my mid November whether they will build 100 or 200 for delivery in December? If they have orders for 200 why wouldn't they build 200.
    V/r John

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    John

    Its just a forum discussion. What s this BS about having to prove everything to even post it. The poster indicated that it was just something he heard and its a relevant consideration.










    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Where did you see that? It wasn't in the article you linked. What was the expected number? Without detailed numbers statements like that are meaningless. Maybe they only expected demand for 6 units and they actually had demand for 18 units. So what? Pre orders are just that pre orders and many get cancelled before they become real orders and sales. We will know more when they actually start delivering them.

    The article on the S2 was interesting. They don't know my mid November whether they will build 100 or 200 for delivery in December? If they have orders for 200 why wouldn't they build 200.

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    If you're not happy with the quality of BJP's reporting, send the editor(s) an email. Ranting here won't change a thing.

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    nevermind.

    i was asking JB to clarify, and then found his supporting reference in the last sentence of the article.

    cheers!
    Last edited by cam; 13th November 2009 at 01:47.

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    I'm results oriented, not spec sheet oriented. Sean seems to have gotten a lot of good street shots despite all the negatives posted here. If he can do it, so can I ...

    This interests me for a companion to my M9 ... I don't want a M8 back-up, and for now a second M9 places me on a delivery list sometime in 2012 ... when the world is coming to an end anyway

    If this is the only way to get to a larger sized sensor in a package this small ... okay-dokey. 35 FOV is what I'd be using on any camera like this anyway.

    Plus, the AF fully auto exposure feature is an easy sell to the wifey so she can use it, (just as long as I don't tell her how much it was. )

    But something like this is way down the list of priorities as I ponder the S2 which financially promises to bring the world to an end even before 2012

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    Sorry, it wasn't meant as a rant toward the poster or anyone else. I just didn't see what he was referring to and was asking. The other comment was directed at Leica not the poster. Their statement didn't make any sense.
    V/r John

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    Sorry, it wasn't meant as a rant toward the poster or anyone else. I just didn't see what he was referring to and was asking.
    i didn't see it either -- it had to be pointed out to me...

    i understand that sites have adverts to subsidise their web presence, but the ones that use video or movement/flash of any kind distract me from the substance... those rolling Canons made me look down and, hence, miss the relevant sentence.

    now that is something i can really rant about.

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    Sean has revised his review - the shutter lag is vastly improved with the production firmware (the story is actually more complicated than that, se the review, but the news is good). I'm relieved, and will probably buy the X1 that I have an order position on.

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    Re: Sean Reid's X1 Review Part 2 is up

    If you don't subscribe there is a very good thread on LUF...I link to the middle of the thread where some of the changes in AF are discussed.

    http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...-review-3.html

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