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    Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Just received this lens from Hong Kong the Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM. I tried Alans at the workshop in Yosemite and really wanted to try it for awhile so i bought one. Big surprise. LOL

    But it is very sharp and maybe a better choice than the CV 15mm even though it is longer a step back or two would equal it. Now i tried it with a 58mm to 55mm step down and a Leica filter . It does NOT vignette from the filters but it does vignette a little so with the filter on and off it looks like maybe using the WATE code at 18mm maybe a good idea. So may have to send this to John Milich for a mount and code it for the WATE for me. Anyway it is very very sharp and may replace the CV 15mm but the bokeh on it is no match for the Leica 21mm which i find a extremely great focal length and excellent lens. so not a replacement for that per say and it does work out to be a 24mm on the M8 which is a nice focal length. i will update more with more time with it. Thanks Guy

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    No surprise!! LOL

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    Post some pictures! LOL
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    Fix the dang thing first. ROTFLMAO

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    Update on my 18mm it is in Ny with John Milich getting a new mount and coding for the WATE , looking forward to it's return
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    No word from John yet but i think Sean does have a report up on his site now on the performance part of the Zeiss. May want to check that out

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    I think John is out shooting the damn thing to be honest
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Excellent lens - really a stunner on center. I'm also waiting for a JM mount for the 18 so I can test how it does coded as a WATE.

    Congratulations on the new forum.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Thanks Sean glad to have to have you here . Looking forward to playing with the lens more.
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    John just e-mailed me and my Zeiss 18mm is sporting a new lens mount and the coding recess. Should get it Monday and also he joined our forum too.
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Guy:
    your lens will arrive Monday, I coded it and it works as the 18mm version of the Wate.

    took one pic, was in a hurry, no tripod, fluorescent/daylight mix, 1/12 sec leaning against a post.

    more of the wacky ribbon project

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    It looks very nice, thanks for filling in the Wate code. Can't wait to give this lens a go. Thanks again my friend, someday you will have to get us a link so folks can contact you. Jack and I are putting a link list of our favorite shopping spots. LOL

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Okay the lens is in my hands . Here is the setup Zeiss 18mm a 58 to 55 mm step down ring fitted with a Leica 55mm IR filter. Okay when mounted I get the Wate code and menu option since the default is 18mm it shows up as 18mm so i don't have to do anything just go. I like this idea

    Very quickly it seems to be working without any cyan casts. it does vignet a little and you will see that with a white card but i view this as pretty normal with a wide but more testing will have to be done. Okay pardon the images they are tests and done very quickly , still on big project but wanted to get this out.

    Couple quickies of the front of the house , look at the concrete no cyan cast
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Okay the white and the vignetting is almost the same at all apertures. Now I tried this without the filters when I first got the lens and seems the same but I don't view this as bad but more normal with extreme wides. Also this lens is extremely sharp the 15mm I think i am going to sell. this will certainly kick it's butt in that area. As you can see a screw is in the code so John painted white over that but the WATE code is only one dot so it works out just fine. This is a completely new mount that John did
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    I will do some more testing as time goes . Now Sean also got his today also so i am sure he will be running tests also and reporting.

    His site is www.reidreviews.com

    We are the only two that have this mount at the moment so you heard it here first.

    So all those non registered viewers i see looking in all day long , time to register
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    glad it worked out, Guy; you are the cutting edge, as always.

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    BTW John Milich did all the milling on this and his e-mail address is [email protected]

    John is a great guy to deal with.
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    glad it worked out, Guy; you are the cutting edge, as always.
    Thanks John excellent work here. You really fill in the niche to the M8 system
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Went back in and WB one of them and properly processed it with some fill and highlight control and it looks very nice. Zeiss tends to have a little more contrast than the Leica in general
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Thanks to acetone, I was just now able to get the screws free on the Zeiss 18 so that I could mount the new bayonet. I'll code it and then I need to get my hands on a 55 mm Leica filter for chart tests.

    John's adapter doesn't have the inner flange of the Zeiss bayonet but it mounted up easily. I'll test focus but my bet is that it is unchanged. Naturally, RR cannot recommend this procedure, etc.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Great Sean. It looks pretty good my friend. Look forward to your testing and review. So far i really like what i am seeing but warning it is sharp watch any sharpening you don't want to go overboard. Okay back to this project for me.
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Zeiss tends to have a little more contrast than the Leica in general
    I think it has too much contras and you miss a lot of the mid tones and shadows.

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Great Sean. It looks pretty good my friend. Look forward to your testing and review. So far i really like what i am seeing but warning it is sharp watch any sharpening you don't want to go overboard. Okay back to this project for me.
    Yes, I agree...on center, at least. I published the review last week but the two sections to be added deal with "hand-coding" results (using John's adapter) and general illustrations.

    Cheers,

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    Just finished the coding. The M8 detects it as a WATE with no problem and focus (with the bayonet change) seems just fine.

    Cheers,

    Sean

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    Just ordered the 55 filter from Tony Rose. Should be able to test tomorrow night.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    more of the wacky ribbon project
    John what is the name of that curve/shape.

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    heh, heh...you are probably thinking of the Moebius strip, where you form a loop with one twist: it only has one surface, as the inside transitions to the outside, and one edge. that would have been too normal for this job

    this bugger has two twists, so it still has two surfaces and two edges

    we have come up with a quite a few names for it, as you might imagine

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    Yup that's what I was thinking. Thanks.

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Hi Sean:

    Do you happen to have a B+W 58mm IR filter to test as well? If not, I can loan you mine if you would like to include in the test. I bought one along with the lens and wonder if there will be difference?

    Alan

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Any thoughts on how it compares to the Elmarit 21 or Elmarit 21 ASPH?

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Quote Originally Posted by apsheng View Post
    Hi Sean:

    Do you happen to have a B+W 58mm IR filter to test as well? If not, I can loan you mine if you would like to include in the test. I bought one along with the lens and wonder if there will be difference?

    Alan

    No, I have only the 55 Leica and 55 486. If you can spare your 58 for a bit and would like me to test it, I'd be happy to. It should be much the same as the 55.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Check this out . Look how the it handled the highlights off the car , Really nice and not ugly and just a goof off shot but looks very good with not any excess drift
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Hi guys in Flagstaff with iffy internet but shot these 18mm shot but my coding isn't being recognized. Need to check this but tis lens is sharp
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    I figured out what the coding issue was as Alan sent me a note since he just got his back was to make sure I completely engaged the lens when mounting, give it just a little extra push. Which I did not do here but tried it today and it was working fine . But look at the detail and pretty good distortion here. I'm really liking this lens
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Just posted this on the LUF also but once you are engaged okay than no issues . I may have not done that on the previous shots so the code never happened but John is looking into it just to be sure
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    I found that if I just give the lens a hard twist so that it is hard against the stop, the M8 will recognise the code. However, it will soon lose the code presumably when the lens "loosens" up and is no longer hard against the stop. Another hard twist will get the camera to recognise it again.

    I can keep it from losing recognition by depressing the lens release button and over-rotating a very small amount.

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    18mm (no filter)









    both taken at f8

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Just adding some shots to show the size of the 18mm against a leica 21 asph and a CV 12. Not as bad as i might have said it being big , the hood makes it huge and is worthless
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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    Would love to see more pics from this lens. Replacing the WATE and 21 asph with a much more economical 18ZM would leave me enough for a new Nikon D3 though it would bring me to tears if I were ever to do so

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    Re: Zeiss 18mm F4 ZM

    I will see what I can do , have a commercial shoot today than leave for LA for another 9 day gig. Maybe i can get some 18mm shots in.
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