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    Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    The Sony NEX-3 and NEX-5 will be announced on May 11th

    http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2010/04/2...-be-named-nex/

    Do you think that this will be a decent alternative to the M8 with 21mm 2.8

    The Sony has a 1.5x APS-C 14 megapixel ExmorHD sensor

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/s...ompact-interc/

    The 16mm F2.8 IS pancake lens will have a 24mm equivalent FOV.

    I am thinking that for much less money I could get a decent wide-angle solution with much higher image quality than the M8 in a smaller size but with similar background blur as the M8 w/ 21mm.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    No, you won't have access to 75 years of Leica glass and most important, it's not a rangefinder.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Sony turned the shills lose...touting t' NEX?*


    * seem to be everywhere

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    The cam looks like a pancake and not the lens. Unless any of these "EVIL" cams are going to offer a decent EVF and a swivel LCD screen, I am going to stick with Panasonic.

    Well, there are even more reasons to stick with Panasonic...

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    If IQ is better than the E-P1 (more dynamic range, better high iso, better af speed...with the bonus of full Hd video with hopefully full manual control over it) and it can at least more or less match it's ergonomics this could be perfect for me.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    No, you won't have access to 75 years of Leica glass and most important, it's not a rangefinder.
    I agree I love Leica, however I don't really want my street camera to cost more than my car and (with the M8) have worse high ISO performance than a $500 camera. The crop factor 1.3 vs 1.5x is similar.

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    If these Sony cams have the ability to work with adapted lenses, and if they are smart they will, then we'll most certainly see Leica glass on the NEX series.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    I think that in 12 days we will know a lot more, and you can begin to make an informed decision.

    The Leica is far too expensive, and is more limited since it has a fixed 24 mm lens. This lens is not the same as a M, or R lens. Also, its AF speed is slow, and high ISO results are not spectacular. Also, I don't know if you want a rangefinder????

    I am waiting till the SONY is reviewed by a reliable site before I make the jump. Several features sound interesting such as the Exmor sensor. But, I really need to see how well the entire package works, and the subsequent image results.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    What on earth is this thread doing in a Leica forum? An M camera and this thing have only one thing in common - they take photographs. Totally boring....:sleep006:
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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    I also plan to use Leica glass on the Sony NEX. I am not a "Leica Man" rather just care about the final image. If this light, tight box has a better sensor than the M8 - I am interested.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    I plan to use it to shoot some short video with my Leica glass. I'm not a film maker by any means, but it's nice to have a high quality moving image record of events especially as I'm spending 6 weeks hiking in New Zealand in 6 months, and the NEX5+adapter would add negligibly to pack weight.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Might be a better (read cheaper) alternative to the X1 but definitely has nothing to do with the M8/9. Not sure why people feel the need to try and fit round pegs into square holes....

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by charlesphoto View Post
    Might be a better (read cheaper) alternative to the X1 but definitely has nothing to do with the M8/9. Not sure why people feel the need to try and fit round pegs into square holes....
    In the case of the X1 I don't think cheaper is going to mean better. It's just going to mean cheaper.

    I've been shooting an X1 for a month and find it well worth the price and long wait.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    mothinagainst the new Sony.
    But it is not ff, it is not a rangefinder, there are not many lens choices, we dont know how good or bad it works.
    So I dont see too why comparing it with an M9?

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Not to be compared with an M9 (John's title says M8 since the crops are very close).

    X1 has an older Sony sensor. The "NEX3/5" will have a newer Sony sensor. Hence, it is bound to be better than the X1. Being an interchangeable lens cam, more versatile than the X1 as well.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Not to be compared with an M9 (John's title says M8 since the crops are very close).

    X1 has an older Sony sensor. The "NEX3/5" will have a newer Sony sensor. Hence, it is bound to be better than the X1. Being an interchangeable lens cam, more versatile than the X1 as well.
    still IMO totally different camera.
    For me it is comparable to 4/3cameras with a little bit bigger sensor.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Different cameras, yes. Could be better in many ways.

    If the "NEX3-5" have something like the Sony A-450 (they sneaked yet another model while I was looking at the A500/550!), it is going to be better.

    No major IR problems to start with....

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    lost of info here (review, iso 12800 sample):

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showth...578#post209578

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    http://phototwist.com/sony-nex-3-review/ (select the text and photos from this and paste it into a Word file to see the images correctly)

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    It's on DPReview now.

    http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5/

    The flange is larger than M, and the register shorter. Adaptation should be a piece of cake.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Is there any mention of menu option to shoot without lens, and what about magnifid focus assist?

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Three things are crucial for the effective use of manual focus lenses:

    1. Shoot without lens.

    2. Auto gain (EVF and LCD).

    3. Zoom assist.

    The registry distance of 18mm is excellent news!

    Let us see if any of the other criteria are satisfied. If not, the m4/3rds would still be the Kings when it comes to using manual focus lenses.

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    If, and it is a big question if, it can mount M lenses, then it could (if there is a proper way to magnify focus area, and of course, if it can shoot without a lens) replace M8 without a problem. It would be perfect to mount some old summilux (35 or 50).

    Looking for the answers...

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Well, I'm pretty sure that there might be zoom assist for MF - as all old Alpha lenses (those without internal AF-drive) are MF only with the Sony adaptor. Without zooming that would be a very bad joke (on the other hand Sony wants us to buy the new E-lenses...). Shoot without lens is - less hope, as newer Alpha also don't have this option any more (or are full manual then).

    Andreas - also hoping for an M-type adaptor...

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    Lens compatibility ???

    ".. A mount adapter will be available, giving the ability to use Sony and Minolta Alpha-mount lenses. The LA-EA1 adapter will have a motor to control the lens aperture but nothing to driving the autofocus (they can't currently focus SSM and SAM lenses with built-in focus motors either). We have no pricing for the adapter yet but suspect the additional mechanical complexity of providing aperture support may mean it's worth thinking very hard about how much it's really worth to retain compatibility..."

    From dpreview first hands on !

    So ALL lenses are without AF support. This can be a show stopper.
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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Three things are crucial for the effective use of manual focus lenses:

    1. Shoot without lens.

    2. Auto gain (EVF and LCD).

    3. Zoom assist.
    1) Check. Via Imaging Resource:

    "Release w/o Lens
    - Enable
    - Disable
    Enables or disables image capture without a lens attached. This could be useful when attaching the camera to a completely manual lens, or via an adapter with no electrical connectivity."

    2) Check. Via Imaging Resource:

    "As we note elsewhere, the LCD on the NEX-5 is superb, with great contrast and an extremely high resolution of 921.6K dots. It's also generously sized, with a 3.0" diagonal, and can automatically account for ambient lighting to adjust its brightness. Add in its double-hinged tilt mechanism for shots overhead or low to the ground, and the NEX-5 becomes a joy for precise manual focusing, from most any angle."


    3) Check. Via imaging resource:

    "Of course, the Sony NEX-5 also offers manual focusing - either as the sole focusing method, or for fine-tuning focus once AF is complete. In the manual focus modes, an option called MF assist optionally causes the camera to magnify the preview image by either 7x or 14x, whenever the focus ring is adjusted. The zoom level is adjusted by pressing a soft key, and MF assist preview is centered around either the user-selected focus point in Flexible Spot or Center modes, and around the AF point selected by the camera in Multi AF. (If more than one AF point is considered to be in focus, then the camera selects one of these points around which to base the preview, although we're not exactly sure what the criteria for choosing the center point is.) Given that Alpha (A-mount) lenses offer only manual focusing through the mount adaptor, MF Assist will prove doubly useful for owners of Alpha digital SLRs who want to share their glass between bodies. Of course, while the fly-by-wire E-mount lenses can tell the camera when focus is being adjusted, this isn't possible with A-mount glass, so the MF Assist function must be manually triggered when needed."


    M lenses, ahoy!!

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    Sweet.

    Dpreview seems kinda pissed:

    "Phil: Having spent a considerable amount of time producing previews of both cameras we were slightly surprised this morning to see full reviews of the NEX-5 on another sites who were apparently given production cameras (which we were promised but never received). We only received pre-production models and honored Sony's request not to publish images."

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Douglas, Thank you!

    Robert, Yet another reason to celebrate Sony and NEX3/5.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Sweet.

    Dpreview seems kinda pissed:

    "Phil: Having spent a considerable amount of time producing previews of both cameras we were slightly surprised this morning to see full reviews of the NEX-5 on another sites who were apparently given production cameras (which we were promised but never received). We only received pre-production models and honored Sony's request not to publish images."
    Outch - what did Phil do wrong with Sony

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Yes indeed. Contax G lenses ahoy.

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    Lets hope they're working on a 24mm f2 (36mm 35 equiv). That would really beat up the competition. Why they didn't do this in the first place makes me wonder if any of these companies actually talk to photographers....

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    Maybe we are lucky - I have checked dpreview reviews of Panasonic G1 and previews of Sony Nex. According to the illustrations, mFT has mount diameter of 48mm and flange distance of 20mm, while e-mount has mount diameter of 47mm and flange distance of 18mm.

    I really hope that there is a chance for M-mount adapters.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    m4/3 has a mount diameter of ~38mm, not 48mm. NEX should be able to mount just about any 35mm lens in existence via adapter. I'm excited to try some M lenses in the 35mm focal length as my "standard" lens on NEX.


    BTW, the Alpha mount has a mount diameter of 50mm, so the NEX's E-mount is nearly the same size!

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    m4/3 has a mount diameter of ~38mm, not 48mm. NEX should be able to mount just about any 35mm lens in existence via adapter. I'm excited to try some M lenses in the 35mm focal length as my "standard" lens on NEX.
    Sorry, I've misread the picture on dpreview - regular 4/3 has mount diameter of 48mm, m43 has diameter of 42mm.
    It is really exciting if there really is possibility to mount M lenses on this body - there is a significant difference between 2x and 1,5x crop.

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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    I've measured and adapted a 34 lux asph to the NEX-5 (in photoshop).

    If you're on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor (or any monitor with 94.34 ppi) then this is life size as well.


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    Re: Sony NEX EVIL as an M8 alternative

    put a nice little pancake on there and you're laughing!
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