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    M8.2 B&W images better?

    Hi Everyone -
    I am finally in the market for my first RF -

    Most of my work is in B&W.

    What do you all think of the B&W images on the M8.2 vs M9 -- and why?

    I have heard the 8.2 produces better images... but why?

    Thank you all

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    Re: M8.2 B&W images better?

    I find my M8 (not .2) does very nice in-camera B&W JPGs (esp if you bump the contrast up one notch). Other than the firmware, I can't imagine why the M8/.2 would take better in-camera B&W than the M9.

    FYI, a downside of in-camera JPG in the M8/.2 is that it's so slow. If you shoot RAW + JPG it's really annoying, so I've stopped that practice. If I want a B&W I convert the RAW in post processing (using Nik Silver Efex).

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    Re: M8.2 B&W images better?

    The M8's do great B&W but not in camera. For good B&W use Photoshop with Alien Skin's Exposure.

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    Re: M8.2 B&W images better?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    The M8's do great B&W but not in camera. For good B&W use Photoshop with Alien Skin's Exposure.
    I'm with John . . . . except I'd use Silver Efex Pro

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    Re: M8.2 B&W images better?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I'm with John . . . . except I'd use Silver Efex Pro
    Maybe I misunderstood but I remember a post that Jack commented on about the M8 for B&W. The thinking was that the way the M8 corrects for IR (using lens filters) produced raw file than converted into a cleaner looking black and white image. It was something about the M8 being under appreciated for its black and white capabilities.

    The other difference between the M8 and the M9 is how the higher ISO files are corrected in camera for noise. The M9 appearing to kick in some noise reduction even on the raw files above ISO 640.

    I also know that when I shot the M8 and the M9 together and did straight auto conversions in LR2 that the M8 files appeared cleaner .

    This is from memory but it was my understanding...maybe someone can fill in the blanks. I am not an everyday black and white shooter.

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    Re: M8.2 B&W images better?

    The reason the M8 is better at B&W is the same reason people bemoan it with color... The IR light passed (sans UV/IR filter of course) adds a little extra to the image.

    With the M9, the IR filter is internalized and thus cannot be removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    The reason the M8 is better at B&W is the same reason people bemoan it with color... The IR light passed (sans UV/IR filter of course) adds a little extra to the image.

    With the M9, the IR filter is internalized and thus cannot be removed.
    That's right! Can't believe I forgot about that.

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    Re: M8.2 B&W images better?

    Nice - thanks everyone! Very interesting!

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    Re: M8.2 B&W images better?

    In fact, if you can find a later production M8, I suggest that over the M8.2 for one reason ... it shoots to 1/8000th shutter speed ... which allows a bit wider aperture in brighter light.

    That said, there are some user defined PS actions, or presets for LR, I'm now using for M9 files that do a great job of B&W conversions. Pretty darned close to my M8 stuff.

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