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    Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Hi there
    I've been lucky enough to have a test copy of this lens for the last week or so.

    I've put up a simple gallery of some pictures - many of which are shot wide open.

    Leica 35mm f1.4 Summilux

    Enjoy!

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Oh dear. My wallet just scampered off whining and yelping with it's tail between it's legs. Again.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Sharpness is not obvious on little pics like that but bokeh looks smoother than the previous version.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Quote Originally Posted by LCT View Post
    Sharpness is not obvious on little pics like that but bokeh looks smoother than the previous version.
    HI There
    Quite agree about the little pics - but it's certainly sharp, rather reminiscent of the 50 'lux and 75 'cron.
    The bokeh varies - it sometimes looks a little brittle on high contrast backgrounds with lots of detail - other times it's really gorgeous.
    I don't have the older lens to do a comparison unfortunately (never had one).

    I'll post more later on - finding the time is the thing!
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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    ...it sometimes looks a little brittle on high contrast backgrounds with lots of detail...
    Ouch... details on backgrounds, not my cup of tea i'm afraid.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

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    Ouch... details on backgrounds, not my cup of tea i'm afraid.
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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Jono.. thanks for making us drooollll

    Quick question on "Bokeh"... I thought Asph lens does not render almond shape bokeh towards the edge like the on of the Cross in the first page.

    THX.
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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Would like to see how this lens compares to the 35/2 Cron Asph. Is it worth the extra $2K for that one additional stop, or can we expect better performance than the 35/2 at similar apertures?

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    is it larger than the "old" 35/1.4asph? or is it just that I got used to the size of the 35 Summarit?

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    THanks, Jono. Interesting that the character of the lens, as posted by your wonderful images and those of Steve Huff on his site, seems very similar to the previous Lux asph. I am curious if you know whether addition of the floating element was coupled with any optical/lens changes? I couldn't find that in any of the literature posted, so I figure the optics are basically the same, but the mechanics of the floating element compensate for previously discussed focus shift.

    Regardless, wonderful pics all around, and this lens will be POPULAR. I am hoping that I will be able to resist, as I really love my current 35 'Lux asph
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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Lots of questions . . I'll do my best
    Thomas, with respect to size,
    Old: Length 46mm diameter 53mm weight 250 gm
    New: Length 46mm diameter 58mm weight 320 gm

    so, it's slightly heavier and fatter, but the same length.
    design seems basically the same, except that all the elements behind the diaphragm move on the new lens.

    here are some more play shots from today:

















    with 100% crop:



    All these are compressed DNG files taken from the camera to Aperture to jpg - nothing else done (except that the bee shot is cropped).

    Nothing is perfect (especially me), but this does seem like a lovely lens
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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Jono

    Looks like quite a lens. Thats best in class sharpness and rendering of fine detail. (I have the cron asph and the version I asph 35/1.4 . ) Bokeh looks like the 50Lux asph it suffers in some instances because of the strength of its microcontrast . Like you said trade offs . Want smoother bokeh go with a lower contrast 35 like the 35 summicron IV.

    If you get a chance some nights shots would be useful .

    Very nice images easy to see the lens characteristics.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    Bokeh looks like the 50Lux asph it suffers in some instances because of the strength of its microcontrast . Like you said trade offs . Want smoother bokeh go with a lower contrast 35 like the 35 summicron IV.
    My initial thoughts from looking at the shots wide open were similar. The bokeh looks to me to be less 'creamy' than the current 35 'lux to my eye. There's almost a certain nervousness to the rendering which I don't see with my current 'lux. (for example in the background of the 2nd playing dogs wide open and the cat shots).

    Perhaps some more low light shots with highlights or similar such shots would show the bokeh better.

    My 'lux is my primary lens so I'm very very interested in the new lens. I may have to order one just to get in line just in case.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    After having seen some more images similar to my own in style / lighting over at Steve Huff's site I've changed my mind about the bokeh. It seems as beautiful wide open as the current lens. Bugger. There goes that rationale for not wanting one.

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    Lots of questions . . I'll do my best
    Thomas, with respect to size,
    Old: Length 46mm diameter 53mm weight 250 gm
    New: Length 46mm diameter 58mm weight 320 gm

    so, it's slightly heavier and fatter, but the same length.
    design seems basically the same, except that all the elements behind the diaphragm move on the new lens.

    here are some more play shots from today:


















    with 100% crop:



    All these are compressed DNG files taken from the camera to Aperture to jpg - nothing else done (except that the bee shot is cropped).

    Nothing is perfect (especially me), but this does seem like a lovely lens
    These are the best pictures so far. Looks like you have used the lenses. I am absolutely new begginer with Camera so could you please give me some tips on clicking sharp images like this?

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Graham - Glen - Robert - Ashwin
    With respect to the bokeh - unfortunately I can't compare it with the previous lens (not having had one).
    Still, I'm not a great believer in the conventional wisdom about the newer lenses, microcontrast and edgy bokeh - I still think the 75 'cron produces wonderful bokeh . . . . and I've definitely seen 'nervous' bokeh with the 35 IV.
    It seems to me that this lens does have a lovely bokeh in most circumstances, but I'm not sure that ANY lens does a good job with high contrast foliage which is just beyond the depth of field.

    I've had a series of 35 lenses which I've liked but not really engaged with - to me this lens really seems to hit the spot, and it hasn't left the camera since I've had it.

    I've made prints of some of the shots, and the shot with the bee in particular does really well - 3D and glow.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Quote Originally Posted by chase.salva View Post
    These are the best pictures so far. Looks like you have used the lenses. I am absolutely new begginer with Camera so could you please give me some tips on clicking sharp images like this?
    Thank you!
    tips . . . I really think that it's practice - you have to get a 'feel' for when it's in focus, I don't think it's about fabulous eyesight (although I wear contacts I can still see when it's in focus without).
    I think it's really a case of rushing around the place taking lots of pictures with wide open lenses (that way you know whether it really is in focus). Start with static objects, check the sharpness - you'll just get better at it (quickly as well IMHO).

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Great shots Jono! You really do a nice job with this.

    I will note that I do not think that there is any difference in bokeh whatsoever compared to the 35/1.4 ASPH version I. It has been my most used lens for five or six years now, and I have seen the bokeh look extremely similar to your photos in lots of different pictures. Bokeh is a interplay of optics, focused distance and background, so it is always possible to make a lens that generally looks good look bad, and the opposite. From looking at Jono's generous sample, I would say it looks identical to the lens I own. This is of course perfectly in line with logic, since they are the same optical formula.

    I will also say that I use the 35/1.4 ASPH on the M9 all the time, and I have not had many real world problems with focus shift. It DOES exist -- I can provoke it myself with my lens in tests, but it does not usually show up in my photos. But I think it is great that Leica has addressed the problem in the version II, while having the sense to not mess too much with a good thing. It makes perfect sense to me that you have embraced the lens -- it is one of those few lenses where I just have not had any real complaints -- it is very sharp, nice bokeh, extremely useful focal length and speed, nice ergonomics, fairly compact and light. It just ticks all the boxes.
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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Hi Jono,

    Can't thank you enough for taking the time to post these shots and the wide variety of shooting situations you tried to cover....to demonstrate examples of bokeh, sharpness and close focusing performance. I'm already using the current 35mm Lux Asph optimized for f2 (set up by Leica to have a slight amount of front focusing at f1.4 if pixel peeping), so it's a difficult choice as to whether to upgrade or not. Clearly Leica took great pains to keep its successful optical formula the same while addressing the most often heard concerns about the current lens, most notably focus shift and slightly better close focusing performance. I think this conservative approach as opposed to redesigning a whole different lens, was a good one, in my opinion. I too feel that even the great lenses that invoke extremely desirable bokeh, can be provoked into displaying jittery OOF areas, if the background subject and lighting conditions are "just so"..such as contrasty lighting and busy foliage background just beyond the depth of field (with the possible exception of the Noct 0.95, although I'm sure someone could come up with an example).

    As Stuart aptly said, Leica seemed to tick all the right boxes with this one. Thanks.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Thank you for the samples Jono. I look at this collection of images and they certainly look exactly like the type of imaging I get from my current Lux ASPH.

    Seeing as the design is almost identical except for the floating elements, it is not surprising that the optical signature appears to be the same.

    Thankfully I see no need to upgrade my current Lux.......and it's chrome to boot

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Great shots Jono! You really do a nice job with this.

    I will note that I do not think that there is any difference in bokeh whatsoever compared to the 35/1.4 ASPH version I. It has been my most used lens for five or six years now, and I have seen the bokeh look extremely similar to your photos in lots of different pictures. Bokeh is a interplay of optics, focused distance and background, so it is always possible to make a lens that generally looks good look bad, and the opposite. From looking at Jono's generous sample, I would say it looks identical to the lens I own. This is of course perfectly in line with logic, since they are the same optical formula.

    I will also say that I use the 35/1.4 ASPH on the M9 all the time, and I have not had many real world problems with focus shift. It DOES exist -- I can provoke it myself with my lens in tests, but it does not usually show up in my photos. But I think it is great that Leica has addressed the problem in the version II, while having the sense to not mess too much with a good thing. It makes perfect sense to me that you have embraced the lens -- it is one of those few lenses where I just have not had any real complaints -- it is very sharp, nice bokeh, extremely useful focal length and speed, nice ergonomics, fairly compact and light. It just ticks all the boxes.
    Hi Stuart - thanks for this - you're in a better position to judge than I am, not having the previous version myself. The LFI article suggests better flare resistance (baffling and anti-internal-reflection), better contrast at close range and slightly sharper edges and corners - not something I've been able to test for. The MTF charts show this - but they are remarkably similar.
    I'm inclined to agree with you though - to all intents and purposes the lenses are very similar.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Hi Jono,

    Can't thank you enough for taking the time to post these shots and the wide variety of shooting situations you tried to cover....to demonstrate examples of bokeh, sharpness and close focusing performance. I'm already using the current 35mm Lux Asph optimized for f2 (set up by Leica to have a slight amount of front focusing at f1.4 if pixel peeping), so it's a difficult choice as to whether to upgrade or not. Clearly Leica took great pains to keep its successful optical formula the same while addressing the most often heard concerns about the current lens, most notably focus shift and slightly better close focusing performance. I think this conservative approach as opposed to redesigning a whole different lens, was a good one, in my opinion. I too feel that even the great lenses that invoke extremely desirable bokeh, can be provoked into displaying jittery OOF areas, if the background subject and lighting conditions are "just so"..such as contrasty lighting and busy foliage background just beyond the depth of field (with the possible exception of the Noct 0.95, although I'm sure someone could come up with an example).

    As Stuart aptly said, Leica seemed to tick all the right boxes with this one. Thanks.

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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Quote Originally Posted by Seascape View Post
    Thank you for the samples Jono. I look at this collection of images and they certainly look exactly like the type of imaging I get from my current Lux ASPH.

    Seeing as the design is almost identical except for the floating elements, it is not surprising that the optical signature appears to be the same.

    Thankfully I see no need to upgrade my current Lux.......and it's chrome to boot
    Hi There - chrome indeed - I love the look of chrome lenses, but somehow the weight always bugs me a bit.
    Certainly, unless you have a very good buyer for the old lens upgrading seems like an extravagant option!
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    Re: Some images with the new Leica 35mm Summilux

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi There - chrome indeed - I love the look of chrome lenses, but somehow the weight always bugs me a bit.......
    Interestingly the new version weighs approximately the same as the older chrome version. I don't have the exact weights available, but I noted that they are in the same ballpark. I must say I much prefer the new lens hood though.

    The 35 Summilux ASPH is certainly a fabulous design (either version), all the performance you could want with that classic Leica smoooth look.

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