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    Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    So about two weeks ago (Aug. 9th) I pulled a trigger and thought I purchased a Leica MP from a (ryanshikaze19) at the Rangefinder Forum. Turns out I got scammed as he shipped the camera to another remote area nearby my home. The tracking number is showing that it got delivered but neither my leasing office or myself have seen the package. I felt insecure about this entire transaction from the moment I've made a payment to him through paypal and even asked for a refund the morning after the transaction. He replied back that his "wife" already shipped it out early in the morning and he would refund me my money back + shipping costs. When he provided me the tracking number (CX282760448CA) it showed "An order has been electronically submitted" on the 10th (6:14 PM) which was odd because he told me his wife shipped it out in the morning. The status remained that way for 3 days until I finally complained to him that the package was never dropped off at the Post Office. That same day several hours later after my complaint, the status finally changed to "Item accepted at the Post Office" (Aug 13th 4:08PM). He than replied back that his wife did indeed drop it off on the morning of the 10th. His story did not match what the tracking said so I felt pretty iffy about the whole situation. I asked him for his contact number so I could talk to him over the phone to clear up any misunderstanding and till this day I have not heard back from him since. I've tried emailing him and sending him PM throughout the course of this entire event but no response since Aug 13th...

    So what can I do at this point? I've already called Paypal and made a claim for "item not received" but they said he used the Paypal shipping method which implies he must have used my confirmed paypal address right? But when I called USPS, they told me it went to a slightly different address but could not give that information out. I have a pretty good feeling that he already ran off with my money and now I'm short $2,500. This is the second time this year I've lost money on a transaction and now I think I've learned my lesson not to purchase anything online anymore.... Any advice would help, thanks.

    Here is the buy and sell thread he started. I hope no one else got scammed during this whole ordeal.

    http://www.rangefinderforum.com/phot...5/limit/recent

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    Bummer. I hope you can get satisfaction.

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    For $2500 I'd hop on the next flight to where this person lived and would go knock on his door, politely asking for either the gear I purchased or the money I sent him. And I'm not fooling!! And I would email him in advance, call the local RCMP and advise them of my intentions to resolve the issue amicably, and request their assistance with knocking on the door.

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    Re: Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    I was interested in a less expensive item in his other ad. I asked for his paypal so that I could send payment. His paypal was another completely different name. I wrote and said "Are you Ryan or are you Jim". He said Jim, and gave me an address (which I will provide to you if you PM me.) That sent up another red flag (new to forum, lower than normal price, 2 names)...so I asked for references. He gave me an ebay account for reference, but that was another name,...so I said bye. bye.
    Good luck to you, I hope paypal can help.

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    Tony,

    That's my plan if I don't get my money back . But knowing his exact whereabouts is going to take a lot of effort.


    Cindy,

    Thanks for the support, I sent you a PM. I too noticed that his username was different to his paypal name which was why I asked him for an immediate refund. The MP looked so sexy and the price was quite reasonable that I wanted to grab it before anyone else did... my stupid impulsive behavior did me wrong again

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    Damn. Sorry to hear about this.

    I don't quite get the thing about sending a package to a location near you. Is it that he perhaps sent an empty package to somebody he knows near you so he gets a tracking code and even a tracking marking of the package being received?

    I'd contact the Police in addition to Paypal. That's no small money to lose. Even if he's used fake a name on Paypal, there must be signs of the IP address he's used and so on.

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    Re: Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    I always make Paypal payments with a credit card rather than a bank account. Your credit card issuer is much easier to deal with than Paypal, and will reverse the charge for a purchase you don't receive.

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    Well I at least did one thing right and that was to pay with my CC. However, my bank (BofA) said they can't do anything until 30 days after the fact so right now I only have Paypal deal with at the moment...

    After talking with Cindy, who happened to be so helpful , we concluded it was indeed a scam. He provided her a completely different name and paypal address than the one he provided me. He probably sent the package somewhere nearby in the same zip code so that he would have plently of time to withdraw the cash and run. And there probably was nothing inside the box.

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    Re: Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    Doesn't the Paypal requirements need to have a confirmed delivery? If it didn't get to the correct address then I think Paypal should be siding with you on a refund. I'd be persuing them on this aggressively.

    I feel for you. I am generally trusting when I can tell a person really knows about the gear they are selling, and so far I've been luck I guess. Please let us know how it trurns out.


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    Paypal will refund anything not received over a $250 payment without signature conformation to your paypal address, as long as you paid him correctly(not as personal). Just file the claim, it does not matter if he scammed you or not, paypal has to refund you

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    Is there a notation of package weight in the electronic trail or deducible from the postage? That might help prove fraud. Hope the con man was not smart enough to put something heavy in the box.

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    All I have is this tracking number CX282760448CA. Doesn't say much other than when and where the package was during the process of delivery.

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    Please let us know the identity some way. I buy thousands of $$ worth of stuff on forums. All the best to you.

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    Re: Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    Traut, I would not want to disclose the names that he used online. One happened to check out as a photographer, so this is a pretty clever person. I'm afraid that he stole identities. I would be glad to give you the info that I have if you PM me.
    The really weird part is that when I told him that I wasn't buying from him because I felt he didn't check out, he wrote back one more time and said "All right.
    Anyway, thanks for your interest."
    I wouldn't expect that from a scammer.

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    Cindy is right, this guy knows what he is doing. And there's also something else that I found out today. I believe this scammer has been selling some of the same camera/lenses and much more on ebay these past few days. If you check the "complete listings" for these two ebay users: fruitgirl820 and krisbeaudet731 you'll notice that he has been selling the same items (same pictures) that he tried to sell 2 weeks ago on the RF forum. And it looks like many already bought it which is a shame... I just bought one and left a negative feedback to warn the others...

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    Re: Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    Why not report it to ebay and alert paypal and perhaps they can get more info to trace the person.

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    Terry, I've already tried calling both an hour ago but they were closed. I plan on calling both again tomorrow morning. Hopefully they can put a hold to all his funds.

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    impo-

    This is great detective work on your part!

    As you may know, I am one of the other RFF members who tried to purchase a used M8 from the same classified ad. The seller indeed caused concern when I learned that at least two buyers were sold the same (presumably non-existent) camera.

    I do hope that you get your money back without further delay or additional heartache.
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    Quote Originally Posted by impo View Post
    Cindy is right, this guy knows what he is doing. And there's also something else that I found out today. I believe this scammer has been selling some of the same camera/lenses and much more on ebay these past few days. If you check the "complete listings" for these two ebay users: fruitgirl820 and krisbeaudet731 you'll notice that he has been selling the same items (same pictures) that he tried to sell 2 weeks ago on the RF forum. And it looks like many already bought it which is a shame... I just bought one and left a negative feedback to warn the others...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RF_newbie View Post
    Paypal will refund anything not received over a $250 payment without signature conformation to your paypal address, as long as you paid him correctly(not as personal). Just file the claim, it does not matter if he scammed you or not, paypal has to refund you
    Has this been your experience with Paypal during a non-ebay transaction ? The last time I checked (a couple months ago), Paypal's policy was still that they will offer "buyer protection" ONLY on ebay transactions. All other transactions, Paypal can reverse if the seller keeps the money in their Paypal account. If the seller transfers the money out, Paypal can lock down the account, but the buyer is still out the money.

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    Paypal's protection is a joke. IMPO - make sure you file a claim with them ASAP and keep pushing them. They are pretty useless for their protection. You will probably get something along the lines of "we tried our best, but so sorry, case is closed" You need to really push them and get your credit card involved as soon as you can

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    Thanks again for all your support. I called Paypal this morning to warn them about this scammer and his multiple ebay accounts but didn't seem to care and they advised me to call eBay instead. They wouldn't budge at all in giving out his personal information to me nor care what kind of info I had and pretty much said that the "specialists" will handle the investigation. Then I tried calling eBay and it seems you cannot report any fraudulent items over the phone lol. You can only report it online on eBay... which I'm trying to figure out how.

    And it seems he changed his feeback settings to "private" just now because of the negative feedback I left him. If you are an ebay user, please report this guy if you can. The more complaints, the quicker they'll freeze his accounts.
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    Scratch that, you can call eBay and report this fraud 1-800-701-3229. I found out he has at least 4 ebay ID's : fruitgirl820 , krisbeaudet731 , treenatasha2008, alexbates83 (thanks Cindy). And I got in contact with one of the buyers and he seemed to be experiencing the same problems I have so I know I'm not going crazy here.
    Last edited by impo; 25th August 2010 at 12:14.

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    Update: Myself and a few others have gotten a full refund from Paypal =). Thank you all for your advice!

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    fantastic, Impo, good work!!

    tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by impo View Post
    Update: Myself and a few others have gotten a full refund from Paypal =). Thank you all for your advice!
    Awesome. That's not easy to do.

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    Great news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by impo View Post
    Update: Myself and a few others have gotten a full refund from Paypal =). Thank you all for your advice!
    Very glad for you.
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    BTW one should not just accept an eBay username as adequate reference without verification. After looking at the username feedback, and hoping to find several high value photo related sales and purchases, I will send a message via eBay to that username to be sure that the seller is not just giving you someone else's eBay name (someone with good feedback). I ask them to reply back via eBay. If they have appropriated someone else's username, they will not be able to do this. (I suppose they could have completely hijacked an account, but I have yet to encounter that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom in mpls View Post
    BTW one should not just accept an eBay username as adequate reference without verification. After looking at the username feedback, and hoping to find several high value photo related sales and purchases, I will send a message via eBay to that username to be sure that the seller is not just giving you someone else's eBay name (someone with good feedback). I ask them to reply back via eBay. If they have appropriated someone else's username, they will not be able to do this. (I suppose they could have completely hijacked an account, but I have yet to encounter that.)

    Tom,
    When I asked for a reference, he gave me the AlexBates83 Ebay username as a reference. He said I could go to Ebay and send him a message and that he would respond. It appears from what Paul found out, that this guy has several Ebay accounts under his control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Tom,
    When I asked for a reference, he gave me the AlexBates83 Ebay username as a reference. He said I could go to Ebay and send him a message and that he would respond. It appears from what Paul found out, that this guy has several Ebay accounts under his control.
    Well, at least he was honest to the extent that the eBay account really was his.Not much solace in that, unfortunately.

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    Re: Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    I don't know if you can call that honesty.
    He was very clever. He knew how to price a lot of gear at prices that were near market value, but attractive.
    I hope that Paypal is going after him.

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    I hope RFF has banned the user and blocked their IP address.

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    Re: Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    Last time I checked, he was still registered. Unfortunately, Paul's warning post was deleted by a mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    I don't know if you can call that honesty.
    Of course right. It was my attempt at irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Last time I checked, he was still registered. Unfortunately, Paul's warning post was deleted by a mod.
    Cindy,

    his warning got yanked? any idea why RFF would do that?

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    Re: Need Advice... I got scammed on RF Buy & Sell

    RFF is a good forum and has a lot of the same members as this forum. They have policies (like FM) against policing. I guess they thought the warnings were policing. A person could be mistaken, even though Paul and I were sure this one was a scam (unfortunately after the fact). That is why I didn't want to name names publicly on here.

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    I think all the points needed on how resolve an issue or what to look for have been made. I didn't know that RFF had a policy of no policing so my post about banning is irrelevant. I think it is now time to close this thread.

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