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    Exclamation Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Well,

    as said in another thread, I have seen beautifull pictures in the Leica thread. I would like to have a book to see these pictures on paper at house, I think it's really worth.

    Some of you have already show some interest in this idea, so this thread is here to organize things.

    Wich pictures ? wich order ? how to choose ? Where to collect (ftp, dropbox, ...) ?

    For me, the final result should be a Blurb rigid cover book, with mat finition, and several photos by page...
    Or let's go for a fixed number of photo and format, and we can organize a poll ?
    Or we can vote for a limited people to organize this with some rules about the number of photos by contributor ?

    That could be an annual edition ?


    Are you in ? Ideas ? proposition ?

    Let's fix a scheduled calendar for that project to be finish !

    Let say : shipping March 2011

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    I like the idea.

    The Rangefinder Forum (rangefinderforum.com) has organized a couple of these book projects (I just bought two RFF books). Maybe folks from that forum that also come here can clue us in how those projects proceeded and what they learned from the process.

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Let us know Jack and I can make a special Gallery to hold images in place
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Mike , for sure we had to heard about these experiences, hope you've been heard.

    Guy , hosting a gallery could be a great thing, thanks for your generous proposition.
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    I'm in
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    The gallery looks like the way to go :

    -one can post a limited number of pictures till a fixed date.
    -Judgement time : Then when it's closed, people can rate the pictures so that 100 photos are choosen ;
    -Edit time : composition of the book , with maybe a chronological order...
    -Order time.
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    Count me in...
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Great idea ... I'm in.

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Jack is going to make a special place in the Gallery for folks to load images. Coming soon to a gallery near you. LOL
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    I'm in !
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    Me too! Thanks for the impetus, Stephane.

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    I would be honored...

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    Great idea. Would it be worth having a few separate themes / chapters so that we attract a range of submissions; e.g. Landscape, Street, B&W, etc ?

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    A few suggestions...
    - each photographer gets one spread each, no matter physical size of book.
    - only photographers name and contact info of choice. I think it is nicer to let the images speak rather than long stories of everyones life...
    - the photographer chooses if he/she wants one single image covering the whole spread or showing many, the main thing is one spread.

    I have done a spread (size A4 spread) to show you a possibility



    edit: LOL I see now that I have put the same image twice...well, you get the idea
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    A few suggestions...
    - each photographer gets one spread each, no matter physical size of book.
    - only photographers name and contact info of choice. I think it is nicer to let the images speak rather than long stories of everyones life...
    - the photographer chooses if he/she wants one single image covering the whole spread or showing many, the main thing is one spread.

    I have done a spread (size A4 spread) to show you a possibility



    edit: LOL I see now that I have put the same image twice...well, you get the idea
    This is a great Idea for organization.
    at least the contributing photographers will buy at least 1 book
    I'm In.....

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    A few suggestions...
    - each photographer gets one spread each, no matter physical size of book.
    - only photographers name and contact info of choice. I think it is nicer to let the images speak rather than long stories of everyones life...
    - the photographer chooses if he/she wants one single image covering the whole spread or showing many, the main thing is one spread.

    I have done a spread (size A4 spread) to show you a possibility



    edit: LOL I see now that I have put the same image twice...well, you get the idea


    Beautiful layout Dan. I don't know how much layout flexibility we can get, but I can imagine having the option to replace one smaller image with a block of text (preferably with the page's background color and subtle text, as you've shown in your example, just moved to the block), if the photographer wanted to make a (very) short statement.

    The text would necessarily be short due to the size of the area, so brevity would be enforced. The text could conceivably show in different locations in the grid for different photographers, which would add an interesting sort of feel to the presentation. Of course, I'm probably pushing the limits of layout for online books .

    Anyway, this is exciting.

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Freedom of layout is unlimited. Blurb accepts high res PDF documents, I believe they even have a ready PDF joboption and ICC profile. So, we do not have to think oldfashioned basic layout blocks - the book can be as complex or as simple as we choose!
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Dan, I only do verticals, so that layout won't work for me. hahaha

    Nice looking spread, and I think an excellent idea. I was going to suggest a similar concept.

    I've never been a big fan of full bleed, except with specific kinds of images, so I would caution against locking in stlyistically on a full bleed large image, but in general, I think this is a gerat way to go.


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    mjm6, no probs with verticals. The whole idea is to make every spread suite the individual. If I was to show only verticals and also write a little something, I could do something like this ››

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    Count me in!
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Woke up this morning,... I sw a lot of ideas here. Now we can see two trends wich are really different :

    -a simple notebook, one photo one page, chronological , see it as a reflect of the best of the fun with leica M thread. This idea h goes with the idea of a selection or a vote , rules limited numbers of photo,....we have to choose an orientation (i do prefer landscape, but thats me).

    -Dan's idea is different : any photographer can propose a layout wth his photos or even a little text that will fit in a book. This idea retains atrention of several of you. I find it very good too but we are not sticking to the thread anymore.

    Could the Rff forum members twell us about their experience ?
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    If the project goes ahead, I hope my photographs qualify...

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSchlicht View Post
    If the project goes ahead, I hope my photographs qualify...

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    Peter, I don't know how many people post in the Leica M Thread, but I hope we can find a place for all interested people there.
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Here is an illustration of a cooperative book as Dan described it :

    http://fr.blurb.com/books/1867620

    I find it cool except for the black background
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    and here is another famous one :

    http://fr.blurb.com/books/1397107

    wich presents photos by categories (people, architecture, landscape, ..)

    At this stage of the project I suggest we make a poll to choose the kind off book :

    -one double-page by photograph,

    -Categories, and selection of the photos...
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Hi There
    Sounds like a fabulous idea - I'm certainly interested
    Great thought!

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Great idea! Is this for digital M only, or will you accept M's from the Dark Ages as well?

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by tokengirl View Post
    Great idea! Is this for digital M only, or will you accept M's from the Dark Ages as well?
    I planned on submitting a few from my M5 and ZM 50mm f/1.5 C-Sonnar T*

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    Good idea! Count me in.

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Well, as a a traditionnal/digital leica M shooter the question of film photography has to be solved !
    The idea came up by daily looking at the Digital Leica M Thread wich is very rich...but I personnaly don't see any problem with film photos as well.

    So this can be the Getdpi Leica Users Book !
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    I like the way the Leica Users Book looks. But, i think less text and more photos would look best.

    I, also, think one double page by photographer would be easiest to deal with. Most people here shoot in multiple categories.

    It hasn't been directly discussed (I don't think); but, the photos in the book should be selected only from those Leica photos posted on getDPI in 2010. No ringers.

    Alt. 1:
    1. Photos had to have been posted in 2010
    2. 2-page spread per photographer
    3. white background
    4. standardized text font
    5. name/photographer's country-city in same location on each 2-page spread
    6. text limited to photo caption
    7. appendix at rear could list metadata by photograph - camera/film/lens/etc.
    8. all profits go to charity
    9. Guy and Jack write introduction

    Alt 2:
    1. Photos had to have been posted in 2010
    2. photos grouped by categories
    3. photographers place photos in categories and top 10 in each category selected by vote of all who posted (or by "jury")
    4. white background
    5. standardized text font
    6. text limited to photo caption/photographer
    7. appendix at rear could list metadata by photograph - camera/film/lens/etc.
    8. all profits go to charity
    9. Guy and Jack write introduction

    My personal, egalitarian, choice is for a process/book like Alt. 1.

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Great idea. I participated in LUF charity book. The idea there was to have one photo per page. There were over 500 submissions and a jury then selected the photos on a no-name basis (i.e., you did not know who had submitted the photo) and per category (with each category having a certain percentage of the total pages). Everyone was eligible who was a member of LUF at the time of the call for submissions, with no restrictions as to what photos could be submitted.

    If the selection criteria here is submission in 2010, the forum will get busy between Christmas and new year and we will probably see a lot of great shots.

    Anyway, great idea!

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Matt, your number 1 proposal is a solid base for the GLMB 2010 (Getdpi Leica M book). I suggest the book to be in landscape presentation.

    GMB, you're right the number of photos posted in the thread might increase significantly til 31 december !!!

    We might get a very big book at this time, and this could be a problem.
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    Excellent idea!!! Count me in too
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    HI There
    I'm for version 1 as well.
    The Leica forum book also had a fee for entry (which went to the charity), which might be worth considering.

    Incidentally - maybe the pictures should have been taken in 2010 as well as posted in 2010?

    I agree that film ought to be allowed as well, but how does that pan out with the posted in the thread rule?

    As Stef says, there will be a deluge of photos in the thread before december 31st (not a bad thing in itself), but maybe the pictures should be selections by photographers who have posted in the thread, rather than necessarily images already posted (that also solves the film issue). (apart from anything else, who is going to go through the threads checking to see that every picture has actually been posted?

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Feels like to many rules already.

    GetDpi members only ... shot with a Leica. Done.

    Who cares when it was shot or posted, or what Leica was used, or if it was film or digital? It's the member's images that matter.



    Alternatively: a theme could be nice ... to be shot over the next 6 months to a year. This could expand the appeal beyond a narrow band of Leica users while providing purpose and criteria.

    I participated in a themed calendar for Hasselblad users ... Home-Sweet-Home was the theme ... and different types of shooters all did their interpretations.

    If there is any interest in this notion, I'd propose a theme ... "Peace"

    Just a thought, probably worthless ... but nothing ventured, nothing to pee on ...

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Feels like to many rules already.

    GetDpi members only ... shot with a Leica. Done.

    Who cares when it was shot or posted, or what Leica was used, or if it was film or digital? It's the member's images that matter.
    Thank you Marc . . . I think that was where I was trying to get to.


    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Alternatively: a theme could be nice ... to be shot over the next 6 months to a year. This could expand the appeal beyond a narrow band of Leica users while providing purpose and criteria.

    I participated in a themed calendar for Hasselblad users ... Home-Sweet-Home was the theme ... and different types of shooters all did their interpretations.

    If there is any interest in this notion, I'd propose a theme ... "Peace"

    Just a thought, probably worthless ... but nothing ventured, nothing to pee on ...

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    Fine - good idea - a different project though I think.

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Marc, Jono, the first idea was :
    "I love to watch the Leica M thread posts, it could be so cool to have these beautiful shots in a paper book to look at".

    The idea was not mean to exclude people who shoot something else than a leica M, I shoot also MFDigital, film ...
    I was just thinking that the kind of pictures photographer ehbit in the thread could stick easily on a book.

    But, I will be as pleased to look at futur posts in the idea Marc has proposed as well. The project is different , but maybe simplier to manage.
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by steflaurent974 View Post
    Marc, Jono, the first idea was :
    "I love to watch the Leica M thread posts, it could be so cool to have these beautiful shots in a paper book to look at".
    I understand that, but if one decides to allow film shots - they weren't in the thread. Then, if you have 2010 as the date, lots of other images may appear in the thread just so they can qualify, which is a bit lopsided.

    If you want a rule about it, then shouldn't the cut-off date be the end of November? (i.e. past).

    What if someone want's to do some PP to a shot already posted? Or if in retrospect they find they have a better version of the same scene? Or they'd rather have it in colour?

    The 'in the post during 2010' is exactly in accordance with the original concept, but isn't it rather tough to police, and likely to limit the quality of the images rather than enhance it?

    Perhaps a statement like:

    'Pictures taken with a Leica M camera (film or digital) and preferably posted in the Leica threads during 2010' would get the feel but without applying any un-policeable rules?

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    adjudged !

    Pictures taken with a Leica M camera (film or digital) and preferably posted in the Leica threads during 2010
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by steflaurent974 View Post
    adjudged !

    Pictures taken with a Leica M camera (film or digital) and preferably posted in the Leica threads during 2010
    I always was the master of the vague!

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by steflaurent974 View Post
    indeed !
    Well, it's so much more difficult for people to pin you down

    I'll see you tomorrow around lunch time

    is much easier to live up to than:

    I'll be with you at 12.30

    I just thought that a qualification like that rather removed the scope for arguments about eligibility - and also removed the responsibility of the organisers to trawl through 100,000 posts to check up on whether a post existed, whether it was in the right time scale. Indeed, it relieves the photographer of the necessity of finding that picture that they might (or might not) have posted way back when.

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    FYI you have to be a member of GETDPI to load to the gallery so that eliminates that part. No one outside a membership can post or load to the gallery. They can view the forum but unless they are a member than they can't do anything. That is how the whole forum is set up. Just like many out there.
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    No process; no product. How about :

    1. Eligibility limited to members of getDPI (have to be to post to Gallery per GM)
    2. Photos had to have been taken in 2010 using a Leica M digital camera (no film; stick to the initial premise) and preferably having been posted in the Leica M thread in 2010 (nobody's checking; you're on your honor)
    3. Large landscape format
    4. 2-page spread per photographer (if it's over 200 photographers, then 1-page; However, doesn't seem likely)
    5. white background
    6. standardized text font
    7. name/photographer's country-city in same location on each 2-page spread
    8. text limited to photo caption
    9. appendix at rear could list metadata by photograph - camera/film/lens/etc.
    10. all profits go to charity (OxFam, Mercy Corps, ?)
    11. $50 USD submission fee goes to charity (That's a lot of money; but, you're using a $7,000 camera body for christ's sakes!!!)
    12. Guy and Jack write introduction
    13. Establish strict timetable

    Here's the blurb cost page: http://www.blurb.com/create/book/pri...rmat-landscape

    Then, there's the issue of how this book is actually assembled? How would you create individualized spreads? etc.?

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    With both "vertical/horizontal" photographers the most democratic format of the book would be a square format, this way a landscape or portrait orientation of an image gets equal size and importance.

    To simplify further, there is always the possibility of a static layout and placing one image per page, thus, giving every photographer two images per spread.

    Many good ideas here, the only one I am hesitant to is why the image has to be recent! I thought the main thing was that it was taken be a Leica M!

    Anyway, I think that the best would be if Steflaurent (or someone appointed) defines the criteria and draws up the rules for everyone to follow. Too many voices can easily hinder progress...
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Dan, for now I find it convenient to let people throw their ideas on the project, as I didn't have myself a precise definition of it ! It's a kind of brainstorming...
    Matt, Jono, Marc, you and others have provided a lot of useful idea or precise definition of the final project, but at a moment we have to synthetise all this stuff in a precise thing.

    Matt and you have a clear idea of the project wich stick with its initial statement : a book about this thread : Greatest Fun w/Digital M Images.
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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Well - I think lots of ideas are good.

    But I completely agree that Stef should define the parameters after we've all had our say.
    Personally I agree with Dan about the time scale (maybe if it's a succcess then next year one could do a 2011 book).
    I like Matt's ideas about the donation side.
    not so sure about the 'leaving it to honour' bit though. I think it should either be tight or loose!

    One thing about Blurb is that the premium paper is much nicer - and that (I think) limits it to 160 pages (still, that's 80 photographers).

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll View Post
    No process; no product. How about :


    3. Large landscape format
    4. 2-page spread per photographer (if it's over 200 photographers, then 1-page; However, doesn't seem likely)


    Here's the blurb cost page: http://www.blurb.com/create/book/pri...rmat-landscape

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    200 photographers x 2 pages + intro etc. gets you in the 400-440 page range. This means that the book would be over 175 dollars + tax and shipping. Not sure how many one would sell.

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    Re: Let's go for a GetDpi Leica Thread Book !

    a lot of good suggestion... instead, you need to centralize the effort by nominating a committee headed by steflaurent974.

    steflaurent974 should take all the inputs into account and establishing the requirement and details and then putting it again for review and finally get into the photos and etc...

    just a thought... when you have an open discussion, it can go on and on.. someone has to lay down the law.

    again just a thought but i am in. although i am not as good as majority of the people here but who knows.

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