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    85mm Summarex

    Hey everyone

    Just found a great shape 85mm Summarex on Flea Bay. Not cheap, but in absolutely fabulous condition. I am sending to Leica N.J. to get the focus ring lubed and altogether CLA'd.

    I will post some images from this puppy as soon as I get my M8 back from Solms (grrr) but suffice to say that even with a quick shoot with TriX from my 1954 M3 double stroke this lens proves it's worth. Love it

    Also just for kicks I found a really remarkable conditioned Zeiss Contaflex IV, including the case for a whopping $150! LOL

    This old 1953 or 1954 camera still has a working meter and all the other functions work to spec near as I can tell. The Tessar 50 2.8 included lens is in near perfect condition near as I can tell, and the bolt on 115 lens is as well.

    Man when you weigh these lenses (all brass of course!) you are talking about some serious German engineering IMHO. I am so glad to get this camera so my children can also enjoy the experience of German engineering and craftsmenship. Compare to any modern camera and you quickly see that they don't make them like this anymore!

    Not that it matters much to other folks but I will post some pictures from this body and lens to show what life was life in 1954. (and still is for those of us who want to continue the tradition)

    Best to all

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    I found one on Ebay, too, but when I received it, it had some nasty stuff on the inside. I had to send it back. I did end up with an extra hood, if anyone is looking for a chrome Summarex hood (PM me).
    I have another Summarex on the way now. This one was a little pricier, but the dealer has assured me that it is clean inside.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Fantastic lens with so much variable fingerprints throughout the aperture range.

    Perhaps you didn't know, but all the lens elements except for one cemented pair can be taken out with ease. The front group and the rear group unscrew so you can clean it your self with ease. Looking through the lens one might be forgiven in thinking it was full of dirt, more likely bubbles in the glass which appear as black specks.

    Enjoy, it's truly quirky in operation and heavy, but lots of lovely choma and glow make it unusual but special.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Eoin,
    There was way more than air bubbles in the one that I bought. I did see air bubbles, too.
    It is good to know that it comes apart for future cleaning. The first one looked spectacular on my chrome M8, so I can't wait for the new one to arrive.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    I love mine! But you do feel it in your bag!

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    I'm planning on using mine as a portrait lens. I'll keep the 90 summicron in the bag.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    My new Summarex arrived today. It is in user condition, but the glass is nice. I am thrilled with it. I did notice that it is not reaching infinity, so it will be going off for a tune-up.

    Bokeh test shot wide open.

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    Nice Cindy! Sweet lens, isn't it.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Lovely shpt Cindy

    as I've said before
    ONLY that lens & the Super Angulon 21 makes my head spin with pure JOY

    its a massive Beast though in weight & size
    I was lucky to have played with Charle's

    cheers! H

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Mine gets boxed to ship to Leica N.J.. today. I need to have the focus ring lubed (it is a little stiff and more importantly sticks at the extreme end). I will probably just have it CLA'd as well while there as this lens is in such extraordinary condition. It absolutely looks like it just came out of the box. It also came with the inner red packing box and the brown leather case so this puppy is in serious collectors condition.

    Can't wait to get the lens, and the M8 (shutter replacement) back so I can go back to shooting. I really miss my M system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Lovely shpt Cindy

    as I've said before
    ONLY that lens & the Super Angulon 21 makes my head spin with pure JOY

    its a massive Beast though in weight & size
    I was lucky to have played with Charle's

    cheers! H
    Actually, it is somewhat smaller than the 90 APO, and less weight as well if your 90 APO is chrome silver. I think that there is an illusion of it being really big as a result of the huge lens hood. Man in the '50's they were really serious about preventing flare!!

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    Woody,
    Your copy sounds divine. Mine is no shelf-queen (it has some bright spots on the chrome) but has the hood and both caps and nice glass. I am happy to have it, because they are fairly scarce.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    as I've said before
    ONLY that lens & the Super Angulon 21
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    in the M8 instructions it sais that the 21 can be used with the M8 but that the metering system does not work. Have you used it with the M8?

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    I need to post some images form my 73 Hektor
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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    I would love to see the bokeh of the 73 Hector. Please show us what it can do.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    gero - Helen is an "Epson Girl"

    Jack - We are all waiting for the 73 Hektor, bring it on!

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    My Summarex is back from Don Goldberg. I found that it was a lot harder to catch a fluttery butterfly with the Summarex than with the D700.
    Mine is a 1957 model. I marvel at the workmanship and the fact that it is still in service after 50 years.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Cindy thats great...I want one....
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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    My Summarex is back from Don Goldberg. I found that it was a lot harder to catch a fluttery butterfly with the Summarex than with the D700.
    Mine is a 1957 model. I marvel at the workmanship and the fact that it is still in service after 50 years.
    May have been tougher than with your D700 but the end result is superb.

    Congratulations........the summarex is not the easiest lens in the world to work with given the large amount of helicoid rotation to get focus dead on (much like the 75 Lux) but boy the final result can be unreal. In this focal length, the summarex, the 73 Hektor, and the 75 Lux are all superb performers. Glad I have mine but I may need the 73 Hektor as well. I can then take many images and decide for myself which ones to keep (would you believe all of them!!!! ... ;LOL) I am so SICK!

    Woody

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    Cindy - Wonderful! I just posted 2 images shot with the Summarex on the M8 thread and then came and saw this. Even though you say your Summarex is in beater condition it (and mostly you) is doing a fabulous job. I really enjoy the colors in the image you just posted and I still marvel at how much detail you captured in the Bokeh test shot wide open posted above.

    Woody - Even though I have the Summarex, I too am thinking about the Hektor! I can't decide, and now that I am looking at these images from Cindy I am thinking I need a back-up Summarex. Thank you for sharing your sickness. LOL

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Almost forgot - When I first bought the M8 I was interested in using it for black-and-white because I saw many images online from the M8 that were converted to black-and-white and I was impressed with the look. I thought using some older lenses would be very good for this purpose as well so I found a 50mm Summarit and then the 85mm Summarex. They are great for black-and-white as I hoped but I am also really struck with how rich the colors are from the older designs. This really surprised me, I wasn't expecting it.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Thanks Woody and Charlie. A backup Summarex! We all have it bad!

    Mine is a user, but it has good glass and now that Don Goldberg has worked his magic, I am very happy to have it.

    I would love to see images with the 73 Hector and the 85 Summarex side by side (same subject, wide open).

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Besides ebay where is there a good place to look for one?
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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Try KEH
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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Kurland Photo is another possibility but you have to be a bit careful with those guys. They sent me a Hassy HC lens that was listed as new but was not and it had problems. However, to their credit, they were O.K with me returning it for full credit or to use the credit against a (really) new 100 2.2 which is what I decided for.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    OUTSTANDING Shots..... Cindy
    Tes summarex gets you [I]dreamy drunk[/I
    Love it !!
    Best-H

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Thanks, Helen. The summarex is so much fun to use. Stop it down a stop or two and you get a different look.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Good point Cindy and nicely demonstrated. The Summarex also delivers a few different looks in the OOF areas as well.

    Here are 2 images (similar scene) from the Summarex, first one wide open, second one at f/2. You can see quite a bit of improvement already at f/2. I am not crazy about the composition in these but they demonstrate some characteristics of the lens.






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    One more from the Summarex f/2.8 I believe.



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    Stunning images, and a truly great lens. I need to get up to see Woody and shoot his, but then my bank account is saying "What, are you NUTS??!!"

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    It's great to see a Summarex thread, I have one I bought about 6 months ago which is just super. I am torn between keeping it or the 73mm Hektor I bought at about the same time.

    Size and weight of the Hektor is tempting to keep, while the Summarex is one stunning looker mounted on the M8. The Hektor can create some really wild OOF areas, a bit swirly like the Noct on steroids.

    Any thoughts as to which should be the keeper?

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    ps- I haven't posted in this forum much to this point, HI to everyone! I know many of the names I see rom some other forums I also frequent.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    New Summarex addict.
    Just received my new 56 year old lens and (snap)shot 2 colleagues at work.
    Full aperture of course...
    Enjoy living, live to enjoy

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    I wish you people would stop posting this Summarex porno. The last time this sort of stuff was up, I ended up with a 35/3.5 Summaron. Then last night I was reading Puts and Laney on the Summaron. The bad thing is I already have a hood for it.

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    Strange, my Summarex came without a hood.
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    are these things really going for 3-5,000? (and I don't mean LIRA!)

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    Amazing shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    My Summarex is back from Don Goldberg. I found that it was a lot harder to catch a fluttery butterfly with the Summarex than with the D700.
    Mine is a 1957 model. I marvel at the workmanship and the fact that it is still in service after 50 years.

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Lovely creamy images!
    Looks like a go-to lens for "boudoir" portraits too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogopix View Post
    are these things really going for 3-5,000? (and I don't mean LIRA!)
    KEH has a pair for about US$1200 each. None on eBay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    KEH has a pair for about US$1200 each. None on eBay.
    a real 'bargain' (BGN) at $1200 LOL

    sounds like $3k is the price

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogopix View Post
    a real 'bargain' (BGN) at $1200 LOL

    sounds like $3k is the price
    For that I would look at the Canon 85/1.5. I have one and like it. Very painterly rendering....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bébèrt View Post
    Strange, my Summarex came without a hood.
    My summarex hood was on a Canon 85/1.5

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    Re: 85mm Summarex

    Anyone with a black version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hacker View Post
    Anyone with a black version?
    Have you bought the chrome yet Stephen? Long time, no see btw.

    I almost bought this lens 4 months ago, but ended up with another 75Lux. Images look very good. How is the weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogopix View Post
    a real 'bargain' (BGN) at $1200 LOL

    sounds like $3k is the price
    Well. With Keh its hard to tell. They can rate it BGN just because it doesnt come with front and rear cap. Ive heard of plenty of people that has gotten mint stuff just that its missing every removable item that would normally come with a new lens. You can call them in advance and ask and return it if not happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Five View Post
    Have you bought the chrome yet Stephen? Long time, no see btw.

    I almost bought this lens 4 months ago, but ended up with another 75Lux. Images look very good. How is the weight?
    Hi Erik, good to see you here. No, I did not get the Summarex but ended up with a 85 f2 ZM instead. Is this your 3rd or 4th Lux then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hacker View Post
    Hi Erik, good to see you here. No, I did not get the Summarex but ended up with a 85 f2 ZM instead. Is this your 3rd or 4th Lux then?
    Hehe. 3rd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hacker View Post
    Anyone with a black version?
    There were some made, but they are scare, collectible and very $$$$$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    There were some made, but they are scare, collectible and very $$$$$$.
    Yes, I'm hoping for one. I understand that it is lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hacker View Post
    Yes, I'm hoping for one. I understand that it is lighter.
    It looks like it's still made of brass like the chrome ones, I doubt it's lighter by much if any.
    Interestingly, the aperture rings of silver and black lenses move in different directions.

    BTW it's not mine, I'm a chrome whore

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