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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    Looking at the three sample images purely from a "character " viewpoint, the hektor seems to have an unusual and distinctive bokeh. The flower image shows it best ....the background has a soft ..almost smudged look . With a pastel background with some highlights ..this adds to the image IMHO . By selecting a rose colored flower ..the soft glow (which would generally be viewed as a weakness in a modern optic) gives an attractive rendering. In the two B+W images ..the "character" is less apparent. In image one ...Reflection...there is very little tone separation ...this does make it look somewhat timeless.. The unique signature isn t as apparent. In the portrait ...this is what I see ...sharpness limited to the eyes ? limited tone separation ? bokeh doesn t add anything? From the examples ...I see a real value using the lens in color but much less so in BW. This is not a critique of the images as I know they were offered up as examples of the "signiture" ....what I am questioning is "how does the signiture add to the image"?
    Roger:

    My .02 is that on the second B&W portrait image of Irakly's for example, while the bokeh in that particular shot doesn't appear to help it, it definitely doesn't hinder it --- and unfortunately we don't know what a modern 75 would have done unless Irakly shot the same shot twice...

    My experience however, is the combination of oof rendering AND residual aberration "glow" all but feathers the distractions out. To my view, that is the perhaps the singular characteristic of this lens and why I treasure it.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    have you had enough time to figure out if this is what you thought it was? are you pleased?
    i cannot say for sure yet. need to shoot more with it. this is definitely a lens with a special character, and it will take more than a couple of quick snaps to learn how to capitalize on its special qualities.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Thought I'd throw a couple of shots out there:





    These are wide open with the Pentax 31mm f/1.8 Limited.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    i cannot say for sure yet. need to shoot more with it. this is definitely a lens with a special character, and it will take more than a couple of quick snaps to learn how to capitalize on its special qualities.
    thank you, irakly. i can already tell that it is special.

    and that Jack is totally smitten

    as to glenerrolrd's comment that it does not work for b/w, i heartily disagree. Jack's image transfers beautifully to b/w and irakly's showed other nuances of the lens. sharpness is not the be all and end all to me. i want character, i want glow, i want all the things that people say are utter bull when you talk about the specialness of older lenses... call me fey, but i believe in the magic of lenses. it's up to the photographer to make other believe as well.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Okay thought I would put this shot up
    My first shot w/the summitar 50 1.5
    Charles 's work had inspired me
    so i traded my 50 Elmar 3.5 and abit of dough
    Do love my first shot w/it ...
    trippy, eh

    (but think I'm really a Zeiss gal at heart /lusting for the Zeiss IIKON /Film)

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Do love your Fleur, Jeremy
    Cheers ! H

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Helen - did you buy that in town? Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    i want all the things that people say are utter bull when you talk about the specialness of older lenses... call me fey, but i believe in the magic of lenses. it's up to the photographer to make other believe as well.
    I know the feeling; I've got some old glass for the large format I just love.


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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Helen,
    Did you mean Summarit f/1.5? Summitar is an f/2 lens, I believe.
    Congratulations on the new lens.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I know the feeling; I've got some old glass for the large format I just love.
    ooh, Jeremy. that lens is just exquisite! she's wearing blur like a an elegant shawl which one?

    and Helen, dreamy city shot! love the zircles!

    on a side note, i've completely missed your change over to Zeiss. which lenses do you have???

    btw, would people please stop bidding up that Hektor? it's mine!!!
    Last edited by cam; 5th August 2008 at 00:04. Reason: eta

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    btw, would people please stop bidding up that Hektor? it's mine!!!
    well it was... lost out. c'est la vie. damn you, Jack, for starting the lust

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    Helen - did you buy that in town? Where?
    Yes actually [email protected]
    They had two
    excellent & excellent minus condition / under leica screwmount
    there were some 'hektors' BUT only the 135 /6.3
    Cheers! H

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    [QUOTE=Cindy Flood;42978]Helen,
    Did you mean Summarit f/1.5? Summitar is an f/2 lens, I believe.
    Congratulations on the new lens.[/QUOTE


    OOPS, YES I DID GET CONFUSED ...SUMMARIT IS THE ONE /serial # 1054891
    Sorry Charles / space cadet hill here .... tongue tied...urghh
    Toodles-H

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I know the feeling; I've got some old glass for the large format I just love.

    Jeremy Just Excellent! This really shows how an older design can create an exceptional rendering. I could see this as a large print hanging in a gallery. Roger

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    I realized the source of the confusion when I read the Zeiss thread. You were calling it summarit and Roger was calling it summitar. I imagine those names have caused a LOT of confusion over the years.
    Please post some more samples from your lens.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Jeremy,
    Please tell us what tools you used for this beautiful photo. It reminds me of a Noctilux photo.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Jeremy,
    Please tell us what tools you used for this beautiful photo. It reminds me of a Noctilux photo.
    haha, maybe if you put noctilux on a bellows


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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    haha, maybe if you put noctilux on a bellows

    Irakly, did you have to do that? I sold my noctilux.
    That is a gorgeous shot. I find her eyes especially interesting.

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    It's a 9" verito on 8x10. No tilt to the image like in irakly's shot, just tiny depth of field by shooting at f/5.6 on the 8x10.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Zeiss 110/2 Planar, Aptus 75




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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Jim, that image qualifies for "Models with Special Character" as well. It also exemplifies, as many images in this thread do and as Irakly has stated, that we must capitalize on the character of the equipment for given situations and I find this takes some time to learn and then apply. I am beginning to understand that all lenses have a "Special Character" (perhaps some more-so than others) and it is a matter of my becoming familiar with the equipment, recognizing its unique features and character (signature), and then utilizing this if possible within my aesthetic sensibilities.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Jim, fanfastic immage. Irakly also

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Canon FL 55/1.2 @f1.2

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    I've seen it and said it before, but great shot, Jim!

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    M8 + 50/1.4 pre-asph



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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    M8 + 50/1.4 pre-asph


    This is a nice illustration because it shows the character of the 50 pre asph. The subject has the contrast,saturation and apparent sharpness of a modern optic....yet the OF areas have highlights that "glow",saturated color and yet little edge definition which contributes to the smooth bokeh. Beautiful rendering! The asph version is a stunning lens but it is so sharp that the OF areas pick up some of that sharpness. A different "brush" if you steal from Sean Reid s description.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    M8 + 50/1.4 pre-asph


    This photo makes a case for knowing your tool and using it to its best advantage. Wonderful example!

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    75 Summicron at f/2.

    I've recently got this lens and I think it could become my favourite - seems easy to focus (beautifully damped ring, I was worried about the lack of a focus knob but it's great), and it focuses much closer than I was expecting.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by akiralx View Post
    75 Summicron at f/2.

    I've recently got this lens and I think it could become my favourite - seems easy to focus (beautifully damped ring, I was worried about the lack of a focus knob but it's great), and it focuses much closer than I was expecting.
    Oh, yes. Lovely.

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    I haven't looked at this thread in a bit. Wow great images. Charles, that little girl at the carousel is fantastic!
    Last edited by Terry; 6th August 2008 at 08:47.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Ditto! Charlie, that is a STUNNING capture!
    ~~~

    On a side note, I would love to trim my bag to the 24 and 50 with the 12 CV and 73 hektor on the side when needed, but the 24 does not render the same way as the 21asph or 28asph, so I currently carry that pair instead. I guess one option is to live with the 28/50 pair and leave the 21 out of the mix? Curious as to what others do for a really trim, 2 to 4 lens kit?

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Jack, I have a different look. My 3 main lenses are 24asph, 35/1.4asph and nuctilux. From those three I have as many branches as I can.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Hi Gero!

    Yes, that is of course another viable strategy, and perhaps one I should consider...

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    21asph, 28summicron and 50/1.4preasph with ffsensor?

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    Sell the 50 preASPH to me and keep 21, 28. LOL

    All the joking aside, I sold my biogon 21mm to trim my set, because
    although different FOV of 21 and 28 weren't drastically different

    I had CV15, ZM21, 28 cron, ZM50 C-Son, CV 75 2.5

    but what want to get to

    CV15, 28cron, 50 pre-asph, something in 90s (but CV 75 is OK for now)

    so my main squeeze are going to be

    28cron and 50preasph

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    I'm still finding my feet with what FLs suit me, but I'm heading off for a three day family hiking holiday, so am taking the CV15, plus 28 & 75 summicrons.

    I'd like to take the 24 elmarit but think I might need the extra speed for any family shots at dinner.

    Also planning to try the new Nikon 14-24 on the D200.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Curious as to what others do for a really trim, 2 to 4 lens kit?
    Jack - am I missing something here? I thought 5-7 lenses constituted a 2 lens kit. Maybe I wasn't paying attention at the workshops but I thought that is what you and Guy taught us!

    so 12cv, 21, 28, 50pre, 73 hector - that's your 2 lens kit!
    or wait until after photokina and the new 18mm then
    18, 24, 50, 73

    If you want to add a 35, 90, or 135 to either of the above, then you have a 3 lens kit.


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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    here is another one with 1.9/73

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    Iraky really excellent photograph and IMHO a very creative use of the hektor signiture. The strong contrasty lighting and strong colors create a very different look with the hektor signiture than for example Jack s pastel flower image. I can t see how you could create this image with a modern optic.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post

    so 12cv, 21, 28, 50pre, 73 hector - that's your 2 lens kit!

    Too funny, and yes that IS my current lens stable so you were paying attention!

    Actually, my issue is I could justify the 24 and 50pre as a 2-lens kit pretty easily, but I don't own the 24. Can't really justify purchasing the Leica version since I already own the 21 and 28 Asphs, so thinking maybe the CV 25 M mount for that...

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    I'm quite fond of my CV25. It's sharp, compact and has become the lens I routinely keep on my M8.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    here is another one with 1.9/73
    lovely shot.... Great use of the hektor Charm, Irakly
    you can FEEL that Feminine Sex Appeal coupled w/the Leica Glow
    Best- H

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    How about 12, 28, and 75 1.4 ? DR

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Too funny, and yes that IS my current lens stable so you were paying attention!

    Actually, my issue is I could justify the 24 and 50pre as a 2-lens kit pretty easily, but I don't own the 24. Can't really justify purchasing the Leica version since I already own the 21 and 28 Asphs, so thinking maybe the CV 25 M mount for that...

    ?
    Yeah we ALL were well taught....
    I've pared back to a two and a half lens kit after selling my 90 Summarit. My two lens kit: CV12, 21 emlarit, 28 cron, 50 pre, 75 cron. The extra half is the the 35 version IV that I currently don't use but am just holding until Photokina to figure out what treats Dr. Kauffman has for us .

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    lovely shot.... Great use of the hektor Charm, Irakly
    you can FEEL that Feminine Sex Appeal coupled w/the Leica Glow
    Best- H
    thanks helen. it is sex appeal that i was after. so, getting this kind of remark from a girl makes it twice as valuable

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    here is another one with 1.9/73
    Wonderful. Did you do much post? Her skin looks so silky...is that just the rendering of the hektor?

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Ditto! Charlie, that is a STUNNING capture!
    ~~~

    On a side note, I would love to trim my bag to the 24 and 50 with the 12 CV and 73 hektor on the side when needed, but the 24 does not render the same way as the 21asph or 28asph, so I currently carry that pair instead. I guess one option is to live with the 28/50 pair and leave the 21 out of the mix? Curious as to what others do for a really trim, 2 to 4 lens kit?

    Cheers,
    Jack, see now if you were shooting the old 21mm SA like I am, it wouldn't be a problem I pack that puppy and my old 35 'Cron always, then fill in by adding either the 24 asph (which I truly do love) and / or my 50 pre-asph 'Lux. Makes for one small, light kit overall..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Wonderful. Did you do much post? Her skin looks so silky...is that just the rendering of the hektor?
    no, no PP. just minor contrast adjustment in lightroom. this lens is really a gem.

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    Re: Lenses with that Special Character

    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    this lens is really a gem.
    Can I say, "I told you so!" now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Too funny, and yes that IS my current lens stable so you were paying attention!

    Actually, my issue is I could justify the 24 and 50pre as a 2-lens kit pretty easily, but I don't own the 24. Can't really justify purchasing the Leica version since I already own the 21 and 28 Asphs, so thinking maybe the CV 25 M mount for that...

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    Jack,

    I really struggled over the same thing. I had the 21, 28, 35, 50, 90 and wanted to pair down. Trying the 24 on loan for several weeks against the 21 & 28, it just didn't do it for me. The lens is nice but I really like how the 28 renders so much more.

    In the end I did not get the 24, and trimmed the 21 out of the mix.

    My M8 kit is as follows:

    Single lens - 35 Cron ASPH
    Two lens - 28 Cron ASPH & 50 Lux ASPH
    Three lens - 28 Cron ASPH / 50 Lux ASPH / 90 Elmarit

    My M7 kit is as follows: (I also had Leica change these frame lines to only have the 35/50/90 lines.)

    Single lens - 50 Lux ASPH
    Three lens kit - 35 Cron ASPH / 50 Lux ASPH / 90 Elmarit

    I have owned sooooo mannnyyyy Leica lenses over the years, but the above set-ups actually get used and I really love the focal length combination plus how they render.

    About the only thing that I would like to replace in the above kit is my 35 Cron, with a 35 Lux ASPH (redesigned - I'm hopeful here.) that renders like the current 35 Lux ASPH but without the focus shifting as you stop down.

    Best,

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