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    M9-P $7995

    010-703 Leica M9-P Black Paint $7,995.00

    010-716 Leica M9-P Silver Chrome $7,995.00

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    Display cover glass made of Sapphire Vulcanite leatherette with either a black paint top cover or a silver chrome top cover

    Pure Leica look without Leica logo and M9 lettering on the front side Classical “Leica” engraving on the top cover

    The new features of the Leica M9-P elevate the M9 further into the camera of choice as a professional tool. The new look of the Leica M9-P harks on Leica’s classic look of being unobtrusive in appearance without the Leica logo.

    The display cover glass is made of Sapphire which is the second hardest material after diamond. As such the display cover is extremely scratch resistant and unbreakable. Leica is the only camera manufacturer that offers a sapphire glass as a camera display protection.

    The vulcanite leatherette offers good resistivity and further provides a very good grip to the camera. The Leica M9-P is available with a silver chrome top cover or with a black paint top cover.

    All other technical information on the Leica M9-P is similar to the Leica M9.

    Scope of Delivery:
    Camera, body cap, carrying strap, USB cable, Battery, Battery charger for 100-240 V with 2 power cords and charger adapter. Also included are the license code for download of Adboe Photoshop Lightroom, Instructions German/English and Warranty Card (Warranty period 2 years.).
    The Leica M9-P will be available from July, 2011 in North America. Brochures for the Leica M9-P will be available in July.

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Robert,
    Is Precision in line to get a few of the first batch, by any chance?
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    New features? What "new features? LOL.

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Anyone want a black M9? Price is more reasonable than expected!

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    Anyone want a black M9? Price is more reasonable than expected!


    I didn't consider that until recently and indeed, I played with the idea of selling my "lowly and soon-to-be-outdated" M9 and upgrading to the M9-P. No, I don't expect that it would improve my images.... .
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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Well, I'm certainly considering it.
    I don't think we expected anything more did we?
    With the M8.2 there were things to fix, and they did their best, this time around there really isn't anything obvious to fix at all (at least, nothing which doesn't require a complete redesign which seemed really unlikely).

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Here is the Press release

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    THE NEW LEICA M9-P: THE ESSENCE OF DISCRETION
    Designed particularly for professional photographers, new ultra-discreet version of the Leica M9 added to Leica rangefinder portfolio

    Solms, Germany (June 21, 2011) - Leica Camera AG is proud to present a new version of the world’s smallest, full-frame digital system camera: the Leica M9-P. This new model will sit alongside the Leica M9 in the company’s rangefinder portfolio. Providing an alternative, even more discreet and resilient design that further reinforces the classic nature of the M9, the M9-P specifically meets the needs of professional photographers. The new model is now available in a classic silver chrome or subtle black paint finish.

    Featuring the compact size, full-frame, 18 megapixel 24 x 36mm sensor (35mm format), sophisticated image processing and robust construction of the highly successful Leica M9, the M9-P also incorporates features designed for professional users or photographers who prefer a pure, even more unobtrusive styling.

    The Leica M9-P includes a scratch-resistant, sapphire crystal covering on the LCD screen. Produced using special diamond cutting tools, this screen is fashioned from one of the world’s hardest and most resilient materials. Extremely resistant to wear and almost unbreakable, the sapphire glass LCD cover offers many years of reliable use. Additionally, the anti-reflective coating on both sides of the cover improves the review of images on the display after capture, particularly in unfavorable lighting conditions.

    Finished in vulcanite leatherette, the external covering of the body of the M9-P is particularly resistant to wear. This leathering features a more coarsely-textured finish that ensures a steadier grip when shooting, making the M9-P feel particularly safe and secure in the hand.

    Fulfilling the needs of many professional photographers to capture the decisive moment as discretely as possible, the Leica M9-P’s minimalist styling highlights its most essential features. The Leica red dot logo and the M9 lettering on the front have been omitted and replaced with the Leica name in classic script form engraved on the top plate, making the M9-P the quintessential unobtrusive tool.

    Since 1954, the Leica M-System has represented an unmistakable, individual kind of photography and a very conscious photographic style and allowed photographers to capture, document and interpret life’s fleeting moments in all fields of photography, from photojournalism, reportage and ‘available light’ to the capture of portraits and aesthetic, fine-art images. With a Leica M, the photographer becomes a ‘part of the action’ when capturing challenging, authentic and creative images. The frame lines frame precisely the shot the photographer envisages, while allowing a clear view of the scene outside the viewfinder frame.

    The functions of the Leica M are consistently constructed for extreme durability and a long working life. The highest quality materials, intricate manufacturing processes and meticulous manual assembly at Leica Camera’s facility in Germany guarantee functional reliability for years to come.

    The Leica M9-P will be available from Leica dealers in two different finishes, black paint or traditional silver chrome, beginning July 2011.


    LEICA M9-P: Technical Specifications

    Camera type
    Compact digital view and rangefinder system camera
    Lens mount
    Leica M bayonet with additional sensor for 6-bit coding
    Lens system
    Leica M lenses from 16 to135 mm
    Image format /
    image sensor
    5270 × 3516 pixels (18.5 megapixels) CCD sensor, active area approx. 23.9 × 35.8mm / 5212 x 3472 pixels (18 megapixels) (corresponds to the effective image format of Leica M film cameras)
    Image file formats
    Adjustable, DNG™: 5212 × 3472 (18 MP)
    JPEG: 5212 × 3472 (18 MP), 3840 × 2592 (10 MP), 2592 ×1728 (4.5 MP), 1728 ×1152 (2 MP), 1280 x 846 pixels (1 MP)
    DNG™ (RAW data), choice of uncompressed or slightly compressed (by non-linear reduction of color depth), 2 JPEG compression levels
    File sizes
    DNG™: 18 MB (compressed) 36 MB (uncompressed)
    JPEG: approx. 2 to10 MB (depending on image content)
    Colour spaces
    Adobe® RGB, sRGB
    White balance
    Automatic, manual, 7 presets, direct color temperature selection
    Storage media
    SD cards up to 2 GB / SDHC cards up to 32 GB
    Menu languages
    German, English, French, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, traditional Chinese, simplified Chinese, Russian
    Compatibility
    Windows® 7, Windows® XP/Vista®; Mac® OS X (10.6)
    Exposure metering
    Through-the-lens (TTL) metering, centre-weighted at working aperture.
    Center-weighted TTL metering for flash exposure with system-compatible SCA-3000/2 standard flash units
    Metering principle
    Measured by light reflected by bright shutter blades on the first shutter curtain
    Metering range (at ISO 160/23°)
    At room temperature and normal humidity, equivalent to EV 0 to 20 or
    f/1.0 and 1.2s to f/32 and 1/1000 s. Flashing left triangular LED in viewfinder indicates values below metering capability
    Metering cell for available light
    (continuous light measurement) Silicon photo diode with condensing lens, positioned in the bottom centre of camera base
    Sensitivity range
    ISO 160 /19° to ISO 2500/35°, adjustable in 1/3 ISO increments, with aperture priority A and manual exposure setting, choice of automatic control or manual setting, automatic control in snapshot profile
    Exposure modes
    Choice of automatic shutter speed control with manual aperture selection – aperture priority A – with corresponding digital display, or manual setting of shutter speed and aperture and adjustment using LED light balance with indication of correct exposure, or risk of over-exposure / camera shake (with snapshot profile only)
    Flash unit connection
    Via accessory shoe with centre and control contacts
    Synchronization
    Optional synchronization, on first or second shutter curtain
    Flash synchronization speed
    1/180 s; longer shutter speeds possible
    Flash exposure metering
    (With SCA-3501/3502 adapter or SCA-3000-standard flash unit, e.g. Leica SF 24D / Leica SF 58) Flash exposure control with centre-weighted TTL pre-flash metering
    Flash metering cell
    2 silicon photo diodes with condensing lens in camera base
    Flash exposure compensation
    ±3 1/3 EV in 1/3 EV steps, adjustable on SCA-3501/3502 adapter
    On Leica SF 24D, ±3 EV in 1/3 EV steps with computer control or from 0 to -3 EV in 1 EV steps
    On Leica SF 58, adjustable in all modes ±3 EV in 1/3 EV steps
    Displays in flash mode
    Flash ready: flash symbol LED in the viewfinder constant
    Correct flash exposure: LED constant or flashes rapidly after exposure
    Under-exposure: LED extinguished after exposure
    Viewfinder principle
    Large, bright-line frame viewfinder with automatic parallax compensation
    Eyepiece
    Adjusted to -0.5 diopter Correction lenses for –3 to +3 diopter available
    Image framing
    By activating two bright-line frames: for 35 and 135mm, or for 28 and 90mm, or for 50 and 75mm. Automatic activation when lens is attached. Any pair of bright-line frames can be activated by using the image field selector
    Parallax compensation
    The horizontal and vertical difference between the viewfinder and the lens is automatically compensated in accordance with the relevant distance setting, i.e. the viewfinder bright-line automatically aligns with the subject detail recorded by the lens
    Matching of viewfinder and actual picture
    The size of the bright-line frame corresponds exactly to the sensor size of approx. 23.9 x 35.8mm at a setting distance of 1 meter. At infinity setting, depending on the focal length, approx. 7.3% (28mm) to 18% (135mm) more is recorded by the sensor than indicated by the corresponding bright-line frame and slightly less for distances shorter than 1 meter
    Viewfinder magnification (for all lenses):
    0.68×
    Large base rangefinder
    Split or super-imposed image rangefinder shown as bright field in the centre of the viewfinder image
    Effective rangefinder base
    47.1 mm (actual rangefinder base 69.25 mm × viewfinder enlargement 0.68×)
    Viewfinder display
    (Lower edge) LED symbol for flash status.
    Four-digit, seven-segment digital display with dots above and below, display brightness adjusted for ambient light, for: Warning of exposure compensation, display for automatically generated shutter speeds in aperture priority mode, indication of use metering memory lock, warning that the metering or setting ranges are over- or under-exposed using aperture priority and counting down exposures longer than 2s

    LED light balance with two triangular and one central, circular LED for manual exposure setting. The triangular LEDs give the direction of rotation of the aperture ring and shutter speed setting dial to adjust the exposure. Also as warning for over- or under-exposure
    Displays on rear panel
    2.5" monitor (color TFT-LCD) with 230,000 pixels. M9-P LCD with sapphire crystal
    Shutter
    Microprocessor-controlled, exceptionally low-noise, metal blade shutter with vertical movement
    Shutter speeds
    For aperture priority (A) continuously adjustable from 32s to 1/4000s. For manual setting 8s to 1/4000s in half steps, B for long exposures of any duration (in conjunction with self-timer function, i.e. 1st release = shutter opens, 2nd release = shutter closes, (1/180s) fastest shutter speed for flash synchronization
    Shutter cocking
    Using low-noise integral motor, optionally after releasing the shutter release button
    Series exposures
    Approx. 2 frames/s, ≥ 8 frames in series
    Shutter release
    Three levels: Exposure metering on – Metering memory lock (in aperture priority mode) – Shutter release
    Integrated standard cable release thread
    Self-timer
    Delay optionally 2 (aperture priority and manual exposure setting) or 12s (menu setting), indicated by flashing LED on front of the camera and corresponding display on the monitor
    Camera power on /
    power off
    Using the main switch on the camera’s top panel, selectable automatic power-off for camera electronics after approx. 2/5/10 minutes, reactivation by pressing the shutter release button
    Power supply
    1 Lithium-ion battery, nominal voltage 3.7 V, capacity 1900 mAh
    Capacity display in monitor, when shutter held open (for sensor cleaning) additional acoustic warning when capacity is low
    Battery charger
    Inputs: 100–240 V AC, 50/60 Hz, automatic switching, or 12/24 V DC
    Output: 4.2 V DC, 800 mA
    Camera body material
    All-metal die-cast magnesium body, KTL dip painted finish and synthetic leather covering. Top plate and base plate in brass.
    M9: black or steel-grey paint finish
    M9-P: black paint finish or silver chrome version, LCD with sapphire crystal
    Image field selector
    Allows the bright-line pairs to be manually displayed at any time (e.g. for framing comparisons)
    Tripod thread
    A 1/4 (1/4 “) DIN, stainless steel, integrated in base plate
    Operating conditions
    0 to +40°C
    Interface
    5-pin Mini-USB 2.0 high-speed socket for fast data transfer
    Dimensions (W x D x H)
    Approx. 139 × 37 × 80 mm (Approx. 5.47 x 1.45 x 3.15 in)
    Weight
    M9: 585g (Approx. 20.64 oz) (including battery)
    M9-P: 600g (Approx: 21.16 oz) (including battery)
    Accessories included
    Battery charger 100–240 V with two mains cables (EU, USA, may differ for other markets), car charger, Lithium-ion battery, USB cable, carrying strap, body cap, instruction manual. Software: Adobe® Photoshop® Lightroom® 3 (downloadable - license code included)
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    Re: M9-P $7995

    I didn't realize that Leica designed it more for professioanal photographers. Then, the "P" stands for "profi" (in German) or "professional". Duuh .
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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Never has such a low rez screen been so overprotected
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    Re: M9-P $7995

    I think the P stands for "pricier."

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    so who is selling their M9 for 3000$ now

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    So I guess my M9 is the amateur version now.

    "Whatev!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Never has such a low rez screen been so overprotected
    ROFL... Awesome.

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    so who is selling their M9 for 3000$ now
    I'll return to the Leica fold at that price. It's only because my medium format gear keeps me in the poor house that I'm not still shooting Leica.

    As regards the M9-P - personally I love it. It's a shame that it's the M9 that they should have produced from day one though. I'm tempted ... very very tempted ... real chrome & LCD protection were the only two things I lamented losing between the M8.2 and M9. Not bothered by the disappearing dot but why not have an MP like differentiator? Fine by me.
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    Well, let's see. Same ISO performance, same rubbish (altho better protected) LCD on the rear. No weather proofing. No red dot. El. Oh. El. Pretty massive premium. No thanks. I'll wait for the M10 and shoot with the MP in the meanwhile.

    The new 21 Super Elmar however, very interesting indeed.

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    I just saw the image of the camera. It looks like a fat X100 with no flash. I guess the red dot does do something.

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Nah... I think I'll wait for the Batman edition of the Pentax K-5. That will probably include a Batman keyring and a complimentary ticket for the next Batman movie with Batman 3D glasses

    Edit: I forgot the invisible paint. The latest rumour is that the Pentax will include a bucket of invisible paint for those assignments when you need to be a bit discreet. It will wear out in 3.5 hours though. That's when you'll need to make an escape on the Batdonkey that comes as an extra for only $99.98

    Edit 2: This just came in. For an extra $29.99, you can have the pink Pentax logo removed from the donkey's forehead and hand painted onto the backside of one of its front teeth instead. How is that for a stealthy appearance?
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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Nice lookin' for sure...chrome would be my preference, but gosh, I am quite happy with the M9, and if it takes the same images, I think I am staying put rather than spending about 2K for a cosmetic upgrade...

    I'll be saving my nickels and dimes for an M10 2 years from nowish...
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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Tempting but I was hoping for at least an upgrade to a 460,000 pixel (if not 920,000 pixel) display. Really about the only that frustrates me about using the M9. Giotto protects petty well for $20 or so. Love the look of the M9-P though.
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    Re: M9-P $7995

    If I were in the market I'd pick it over a new M9. But I'd probably pick a used M9 over an M9-P. Who cares about the screen or its glass? That's not part of the image path. I'd rather have them focus on a more precise shutter release and a PC sync socket.

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    I think people care about the screen resolution to check focus at times in the field and to preview the capture. No good reason for the M9 (or any pro-spec level camera) to have that low of screen resolution. My D-Lux 4 that was 1/10 the price has a larger and better screen and I think that's what bothers some people about the screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I think people care about the screen resolution to check focus at times in the field and to preview the capture. No good reason for the M9 (or any pro-spec level camera) to have that low of screen resolution. My D-Lux 4 that was 1/10 the price has a larger and better screen and I think that's what bothers some people about the screen.
    No doubt the styling, especially with a chrome top is very attractive, but I personally don't think a approx. $2000.00 amount to change over from an M9 to a M9-P is worth basically a Sapphire screen. The Giottos screen protector isn't as nice but does a very good job in protecting the LCD.

    I too am a bit surprised that they didn't increase the resolution of the LCD screen. Thats something thats been pretty standard with most DSLR's and would have been a relative simple addition to this new camera for little cost. If they did that (with all else that is changed)...I bet a lot more Current M9 owners would switch and potential new buyers would pick the M9-P over the M9 when purchasing one of the two cameras.

    One bit of curiosity...they keep saying the top plate is available in black paint or chrome finish...but I found it funny they say nothing about the bottom plate. Why not just say the camera is available in two different finishes, rather than the "top plate"?

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    I must calm down and remember we only have about 2 years until the M10 (I assume) and Leica aren't idiots, they'll keep the core functionality/styling of the M series, and hopefully offer a chrome version. *breathes into a paper bag*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    I must calm down and remember we only have about 2 years until the M10 (I assume) and Leica aren't idiots, they'll keep the core functionality/styling of the M series, and hopefully offer a chrome version. *breathes into a paper bag*.
    But, if you go "dotless", isn't it a bit counter-intuitive, to get a "pimp my ride" chrome version? Not that chrome is gaudy per se, but it's certainly more attention-grabbing than a black body.

    Or is it really the white "M9" label that illustrates the fact that one is toting an eight to seven kilo (USD) camera body?

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Here's a prediction - the M9-P will be sold out for the foreseeable future.

    Say what you will about Leica, their pricing, minimal upgrades and the supposed disconnect with "real photographers" (whoever they're supposed to be), they do seem to understand customer demand for their products regardless of price.
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    Re: M9-P $7995

    I really don't think Leica are going after an "upgrading" clientele with this camera, rather those who haven't purchased yet or those who might be after a second body such as myself. I was thinking used, but since the warranty is almost out on my current one, I will probably end up with a P (chrome?) which will not only give me the "upgrades" but also two more years of warranty. Sure I could just get a new original M9 and save a thousand bucks but how much fun is that?

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    Re: M9-P $7995

    Of course if somebody wants to offer me their M9 at a price too good to pass up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Here's a prediction - the M9-P will be sold out for the foreseeable future.

    Say what you will about Leica, their pricing, minimal upgrades and the supposed disconnect with "real photographers" (whoever they're supposed to be), they do seem to understand customer demand for their products regardless of price.
    I agree with this prediction but mostly for the chrome M9-P. I think that is the one that will have the majority of upgraders going for.

    Hmmm...maybe they've learned that as different as the gray M9 was, it will be the last time they use that color...so that in 25 years, due to becomes an almost instant classic, it will be worth 10x it's initial cost. (wishful thinking on my part)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirimiri View Post
    But, if you go "dotless", isn't it a bit counter-intuitive, to get a "pimp my ride" chrome version? Not that chrome is gaudy per se, but it's certainly more attention-grabbing than a black body.

    Or is it really the white "M9" label that illustrates the fact that one is toting an eight to seven kilo (USD) camera body?
    All except 1 of my lenses is silver. I'm not a 'street' shooter and I like pretty things
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    All except 1 of my lenses is silver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    No doubt the styling, especially with a chrome top is very attractive, but I personally don't think a approx. $2000.00 amount to change over from an M9 to a M9-P is worth basically a Sapphire screen. The Giottos screen protector isn't as nice but does a very good job in protecting the LCD.

    I too am a bit surprised that they didn't increase the resolution of the LCD screen. Thats something thats been pretty standard with most DSLR's and would have been a relative simple addition to this new camera for little cost. If they did that (with all else that is changed)...I bet a lot more Current M9 owners would switch and potential new buyers would pick the M9-P over the M9 when purchasing one of the two cameras.

    One bit of curiosity...they keep saying the top plate is available in black paint or chrome finish...but I found it funny they say nothing about the bottom plate. Why not just say the camera is available in two different finishes, rather than the "top plate"?

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    I agree with you. I don't think I would go for a M9-P unless the price was really tempting. I bought my M9 at a substantially reduced price and I would sooner add another if I had to pay full retail for a M9-P. That black one is so tempting for a low-key shooter. I prefer the darker steel gray over the bright chrome one personally as well. Both are attractive all around though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    All except 1 of my lenses is silver. I'm not a 'street' shooter and I like pretty things
    I'm with you there Daniel . . . . I have black lenses because of the weight, but the original M9 is hardly 'in your face' anyway!

    I've put my M9 where my mouth is though - let's see if anyone is going to take me up on it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    That black one is so tempting for a low-key shooter.
    One word. Gaffer. Heck of a lot cheaper...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I've put my M9 where my mouth is though - let's see if anyone is going to take me up on it!


    I agree that the new Leica is a beautiful camera - like all the Leica rangefinders are. But seriously, are you guys planning to pay thousands for a cosmetic update?

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    I really coudnt see me to pay any upgrade price for going from M9 to M9p, and specially after the M9 has been on the market for some years now.
    I put one of those acryl-glass protectors on my M9 and thats all I need in regards of display protection.

    In film times, when using a camera for many many years I might have paid that premium. But in digital age where we mostly use a camera for 4 years until we get replacement I am not ready to spend additional money.
    And dont tell me that the M9 will be still as good as today even when the M10 appears. Of course it will but also of course we still will want to have the M10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emr View Post
    I agree that the new Leica is a beautiful camera - like all the Leica rangefinders are. But seriously, are you guys planning to pay thousands for a cosmetic update?
    Thousands - no, something - yes - it's something I use every day . . . got a problem? Surely not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    One word. Gaffer. Heck of a lot cheaper...
    Agreed and a heck of a lot uglier. Worst case scenario is to just get a Leica black dot sticker because that would be the only thing sticking onto my camera personally.
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    I might get rocks throw at me for this suggestion....but what I would have thought might have been interesting, attaractive and actually unique and useful, was to build the M9-P with the typical MP style film advance lever where the M9-P incorporates the option of silent recocking of the shutter by use of the lever. A menu/switch setting would still allow (and incorporate) the usual M8/M9 single shot & continuous mode ala M8/M9...but the choice of silently recocking of the shutter via the styled film advance lever, would have brought the styling cues closer to the MP and actually would have been a very useful addition to the M9-P. As a consequence, it would have also had a sort of built in "thumbs up" that actually had a function.

    When I first heard of the M9-P, I thought they were going to go this route and truly distinguish the M9-P from the M9.

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    Hey, it worked for the R-D1.

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    It certainly makes a difference from paying for that red dot I suppose.
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    Yeah the Black Dot is only like a $20 "upgrade." I'm still undecided. I guess it depends on how much a M9-P is actually going for on the street versus MSRP. If it remains a $800-1000 price jump above what one can get a M9 for on the street then I may bite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Hey, it worked for the R-D1.
    It did and I (and I suspect some others) wished it was incorporated on the original M8 when first released. Instead of the pesdo "silent" (descrete) mode we now have with the M8.2/M9, it truly would incorporate a real dual function. 1) A real silent mode where the shutter could be cocked quietly for one or more shots, exactly like a film Leica and 2) a place to rest out thumb as many do with their thumbs up. Combine this with "real" styling cue differences from the current M9 (and looking even more like a film MP with the MP style film advanace lever) and it's new sapphire screen, and many more would think the $1000.00+ upgrade would be well worth it.

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    SO who knew that the red dot was actually a discount indication!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    It did and I (and I suspect some others) wished it was incorporated on the original M8 when first released. Instead of the pesdo "silent" (descrete) mode we now have with the M8.2/M9, it truly would incorporate a real dual function. 1) A real silent mode where the shutter could be cocked quietly for one or more shots, exactly like a film Leica and 2) a place to rest out thumb as many do with their thumbs up. Combine this with "real" styling cue differences from the current M9 (and looking even more like a film MP with the MP style film advanace lever) and it's new sapphire screen, and many more would think the $1000.00+ upgrade would be well worth it.

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    I also really like the manual cock of the RD1 but on the other side the m8 and the M9 even more have better IQ, a more reliable rangefinder, much more flexibility regarding frames in the viewfinder. Therefore for me the M8 (and now M9) was overall a clear step forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    SO who knew that the red dot was actually a discount indication!
    The Leica version of a "Blue Light Special." A 10% off sticker. "Clearance."


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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    I also really like the manual cock of the RD1 but on the other side the m8 and the M9 even more have better IQ, a more reliable rangefinder, much more flexibility regarding frames in the viewfinder. Therefore for me the M8 (and now M9) was overall a clear step forward.
    I'm certainly glad of the advancements made since the days of the RD-1. What I am suggesting though is to keep the M9 as it is...BUT offer the new M9-P with not only the changes announced for the camera, but also include the "film" advanced lever in order to re-cock the M9-P shutter allowing a true silent mode for those that deem it important for their style of shooting. This way not only is there some real disinguishing and functional features between the M9 & M9-P bodies, but people just purchasing their 1st M9 (or M9-P) have a real choice between two differently priced products in the M9 line. Something tells me Leica prefered to only make changes this time around, that simply don't require a redesign of any internal parts of the camera, yet result in a fairly heafty price increase. This is somewaht different when compared to the changes they made in going from the M8 to M8.2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    I'm certainly glad of the advancements made since the days of the RD-1. What I am suggesting though is to keep the M9 as it is...BUT offer the new M9-P with not only the changes announced for the camera, but also include the "film" advanced lever in order to re-cock the M9-P shutter allowing a true silent mode for those that deem it important for their style of shooting. This way not only is there some real disinguishing and functional features between the M9 & M9-P bodies, but people just purchasing their 1st M9 (or M9-P) have a real choice between two differently priced products in the M9 line. Something tells me Leica prefered to only make changes this time around, that simply don't require a redesign of any internal parts of the camera, yet result in a fairly heafty price increase. This is somewaht different when compared to the changes they made in going from the M8 to M8.2.

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    I m with you Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    I'm certainly glad of the advancements made since the days of the RD-1. What I am suggesting though is to keep the M9 as it is...BUT offer the new M9-P with not only the changes announced for the camera, but also include the "film" advanced lever in order to re-cock the M9-P shutter allowing a true silent mode for those that deem it important for their style of shooting. This way not only is there some real disinguishing and functional features between the M9 & M9-P bodies, but people just purchasing their 1st M9 (or M9-P) have a real choice between two differently priced products in the M9 line. Something tells me Leica prefered to only make changes this time around, that simply don't require a redesign of any internal parts of the camera, yet result in a fairly heafty price increase. This is somewaht different when compared to the changes they made in going from the M8 to M8.2.

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    Hi Dave
    I very much doubt they were making the M8.2 and the M8 at the same time - because of the changes (I would guess that they were simply selling the rest of the M8 stock).

    In this case (M9/M9p) they can make both cameras on the same production line . . . . . and there lies the crunch - anything other than superficial differences would require another production line (or making the previous model redundant). It's taken almost 2 years to catch up with M9 demands, I would imagine that having two lines of M camera is just too much from a manufacturing point of view.

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    Not to mention they also have runs of M7, MP and A La Carte to deal with, which would also be impacted.

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    Leica is very Apple like. Both release minor refresh and call it "magical" and rip off their customers in the process. There was no reason other than pure money making scheme not to include these changes in the original M9 but just as Apple did Leica decided to hold of and introduce M9P edition.

    With recent lunatic increases in leica lens prices I would guess that around 90% of photographers won't be able to afford this but then again it will gladly be bought by "collectors"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalex View Post
    Leica is very Apple like. Both release minor refresh and call it "magical" and rip off their customers in the process.
    . . . . . better 'Apple like' then 'Microsoft like' where previous versions quickly become obsolete and not supported. . . . . . and deliver feature/fuctionality that no one wants to begin with . . . . . JMHO . . . . .

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