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    Skink pinhole system

    I've been fascinated to do some pinhole photography for a bit and the Skink kit, at $90 including pure pinhole and two zone plates, seemed a good deal. My first experiment was a hand-held walk with the fastest zone plate mounted on the M4-2 body last weekend. This was one of a few favorite captures from this setup:


    Leica M4-2 + Skink with f/47 Zone Plate
    Ilford XP2 Super scanned with VueScan

    I'm going to give it a try on the Ricoh GXR+A12-M setup next.

    Is anyone else using the Skink pinhole and zone plate kit? I'd be interested to see work with it.

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    Godfrey, you might want to check your pinhole on a brick wall test - I am detecting the slightest amount of corner blurring - could be some decentering.

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    Re: Skink pinhole system

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    Godfrey, you might want to check your pinhole on a brick wall test - I am detecting the slightest amount of corner blurring - could be some decentering.
    I just might have to buy that Coca Cola Bottle Bottom Correction app, eh?

    ]:-)

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    Re: Skink pinhole system

    Another zone plate image from the same day:


    Leica M4-2 + Skink with f/47 Zone Plate
    Ilford XP2 Super scanned with VueScan


    enjoy!

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    Not used the Skink pinhole setup, but I habitually make my own pinhole from brass shim for pretty well every camera I ever buy that can take a body cap.

    Some work better than others, m4/3 not very encouraging I think because of either pinhole to sensor distance or need for a telecentric pinhole (LOL), but on an M9 its not bad. By not bad I mean bad, but in the good way. You have made me think I should try it more seriously Godfrey, I never show the pinhole images I make, not even on Flickr. Perhaps to concentrate my mind a project is called for! Now where is my notepad......

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    Slightly off topic but I believe that Ilford are very soon to start selling an 8x10 pinhole camera.

    Edit: It's actually 4x5 and here's the link.

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    Re: Skink pinhole system

    Cool stuff gents

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    Ever since I first came across the Skink "lens" a few years back, I've been curious about it. Seems like a very high-quality, yet low-tech product. I've never really seen a lot of good samples from it though. So, definitely looking forward to seeing more.

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    Yes, quite often it is my M8 your can see some images here
    these are all hand held shots.

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    Very nice photo's Lynn, thanks for posting the link.

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    Lynn, very nice work! Good to see someone else working with a Skink ... :-)
    Ian, that Ilford pinhole camera looks very interesting!

    It's fun stuff. I've got to fit the Skink onto the GXR next and see what I can make with it.

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    Those are really neat, Lynn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    Not used the Skink pinhole setup, but I habitually make my own pinhole from brass shim for pretty well every camera I ever buy that can take a body cap.

    Some work better than others, m4/3 not very encouraging I think because of either pinhole to sensor distance or need for a telecentric pinhole (LOL), but on an M9 its not bad. By not bad I mean bad, but in the good way. You have made me think I should try it more seriously Godfrey, I never show the pinhole images I make, not even on Flickr. Perhaps to concentrate my mind a project is called for! Now where is my notepad......
    It's worth a shot. Just get out your iPad and fire up OmniGraffle ... ;-)

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    photo: Woman Walking


    Leica M4-2 + Skink with f/47 Zone Plate
    Ilford XP2 Super scanned with VueScan

    More with the Zone Plate from last weekend.
    Last edited by Godfrey; 27th September 2011 at 05:42.

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    Re: Skink pinhole system

    Godfrey, where did you purchase the Skink?

    Doing a search it appears that they are all sold in Germany or Hong Kong.

    It does look like it could be something fun to experiment with.

    Thanks for the posts with your pinhole photographs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    Godfrey, where did you purchase the Skink?

    Doing a search it appears that they are all sold in Germany or Hong Kong.

    It does look like it could be something fun to experiment with.

    Thanks for the posts with your pinhole photographs.
    I bought mine through the German site, if I remember correctly it came from Hong Kong.

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    Re: Skink pinhole system

    This was taken a few years ago with the Skink pin hole. The dots are dust on the sensor

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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    Godfrey, where did you purchase the Skink?
    Doing a search it appears that they are all sold in Germany or Hong Kong.
    It does look like it could be something fun to experiment with.
    Thanks for the posts with your pinhole photographs.
    I bought from Ebay ... search Ebay for item #290399024157. It arrived, from Germany, in about three weeks time.

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    The Quiet Meal


    Leica M4-2 + Skink with f/47 Zone Plate
    Ilford XP2 Super scanned with VueScan

    thanks for looking, comments always appreciated.

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    Re: Skink pinhole system

    Thank you Lynn & Godfrey for your responses.

    Keith, nice to see you visit! Your Square in Cadiz tree scape taken with the tilt adaptor is still one of my all time favorite photos!

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    Thanks Dan, those were great times over in the "show us your lens" thread

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    Godfrey, "the quiet meal" is a classic

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    Thanks Keith!

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    Re: Skink pinhole system

    I had this pinhole & hadn't had a chance to use. I tried it from this thread with the m9 & here are some pictures:

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    Re: Skink pinhole system

    another try at this combo this sunday walking arround town: shutter speed .5 sec, iso 320

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    Some neat stuff, Gero! Looks good on the M9!

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    I tried the Leica Goodies pinhole but could not get a decent picture from it. Too much flare and also very cheaply made.

    This is from the Skink, which is extremely well made and works great. I don't have the hand-holdable version, but I sometimes hand hold anyway.

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    Another lovely photo! Thanks John!

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    It is nice on the m9 because it was easier to handhold than I thought. Also, the instant feedback on the screen helps allot. I would really like a square format specially for a pinhole though.

    John, I like your site and the square format goes well with your photography. It is almost as if some pictures were not and the rest of the white was outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gero View Post
    It is nice on the m9 because it was easier to handhold than I thought. Also, the instant feedback on the screen helps allot. I would really like a square format specially for a pinhole though. ...
    re: square format ...

    Just crop to a standard square and visualize for that when shooting. It's pretty easy to do, you don't have to use the whole sensor format. You're inspiring me to fit the Skink to the GXR-M today ... :-)

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    Thanks Godfrey and gero. This thread makes me want to shoot with the Skink more.

    I shoot mostly square with the M9. I mainly use a 50mm (Voigtlander 1.5). For framing, the top and bottom of the 50 framelines and the sides of the 75mm framelines form a pretty accurate square.

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    I never tried to shoot square with the m9. It is more that I usually like to shoot as wide as possible with the lens that I have but I'll try it, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gero View Post
    I never tried to shoot square with the m9. It is more that I usually like to shoot as wide as possible with the lens that I have but I'll try it, thank you.
    Sometimes square just works better. The last photo I posted in the GXR picture thread is an example ... I framed it for square from the outset. It is made with the Ultron 28mm f/2 ...

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=460

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    Interesting stuff, certainly from a curiosity/historical standpoint. But honestly, I don't see myself getting nor using a pinhole lens... Good for really abstract, moody landscapes and still life shots perhaps but I guess just not my bag. Those Lens Baby gizmos are kinda lost on me too.

    Maybe I'm just holding out for a real tilt-n-shift lens or LF camera.

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    A few years ago I decided to standardize on square and B&W, at least for my urban and natural landscape shooting. For people I shoot 2:3. Although I very much like portraits in the square format.

    Double Negative, I hear you on the pinhole effects. But I'm a Pictorialist at heart. All this emphasis on sharpness and detail gets to me. Born in the wrong era, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    A few years ago I decided to standardize on square and B&W, at least for my urban and natural landscape shooting. For people I shoot 2:3. Although I very much like portraits in the square format.

    Double Negative, I hear you on the pinhole effects. But I'm a Pictorialist at heart. All this emphasis on sharpness and detail gets to me. Born in the wrong era, I guess.
    I tend to shoot in a variety of aesthetic ideas until a series gels into a solid concept. Then I focus what I'm doing to suit the needs of the project for exhibition and presentation.

    What I'm always looking for is expression in my photos, expression which begs feeling and story. Sometimes detail, sharpness, bold color are the way there. Other times, it's softness, simplicity. Other times complexity and monochrome, etc.

    Any specific aesthetic too far off the normal runs the risk of becoming trite through over-use, so just like using a LensBaby, you have to work hard to build a project with a pinhole camera, a LensBaby, fish-eye, or any other extreme lest it become trite and overdone.

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    Well I gave in and ordered a Skink Pro kit and it has just arrived! Not used it yet but first sight is that its a very nicely made bit of kit.

    One word for anybody ordering one to use on an M9. Many people find their lenses mount smoother on a film M than a M8 or M9, mine do. So when I got the Skink I tried to fit it to the M9 and no joy, but although tight it did fit on my MP. The adapter was the problem. There was a slight machining burr running between each of the bayonet flanges, like a fine sharp edge. It doesn't mean it will be on every adapter (I guess they buy them in), but you can fix it by unscrewing the adapter and use some wet'n'dry between the flanges to remove the burr. Clean it up and you are good to go. Alternatively use another M adapter you know works.

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    Good Tip!
    I remembered mine was a bit snug so I just checked it .. same thing. I'll deburr it tonight.

    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Those Lens Baby gizmos are kinda lost on me too.
    I would think that the gizmo is a lens (any), there's not less than nothing.

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    grate example of square frame working.

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    I went out to experiment with my Skink pinhole yesterday and am fairly pleased with the results so far.

    I have made another modification to it after removing burrs and some plating from the M adapter that stopped it fitting on my M9. I noticed it is possble to snag the pinhole plate in the coarse thread of the mount and tighten the retaining ring against that rather than sandwich the plate between both retaining rings. This can leave one ring or the other loose. So to save accidents in the field I decided to thread lock the inner retaining ring into place as this is the ring that could possibly fall into the camera. Maybe that is over cautious, but its not just the shutter on an M9, its the sensor as well.

    Post processing with Silver Efex Pro 2

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    Very nice!

    I'm packing for my trip today. L'il Skink is in the bag... :-)

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    Portrait - Ballaugh 2011
    Ricoh GXR-M + Skink pinhole f/217

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    That is a fine portrait Godfrey!

    Above is one of my latest, a 2 second exposure, but then my M9 was set at 1250 ISO! I also created a profile to save in the camera that makes it think the pinhole is a 21mm lens, so it does some processing to remove the red edge problem (a magneta cast) that affects non-coded lenses. And after getting caught in the rain on my landscape outing and with not enough grip to get the wet Skink off the camera (its slippery even in the dry) I made up a small brass peg spanner to put in my camera bag.

    Post processing of the above photo was Colour Efex Pro, and CS5.

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    Steve, it is a bit like from a scary movie.

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    Tree & House


    Tree & House -*Sandygate 2011
    Ricoh GXR-M + Skink Zone Plate f/71


    Experimenting with the Skink f/71 on the GXR-M.

    Thanks for looking! Comments appreciated.

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    Great image Godfrey, I haven't tried the Zone Plate yet, something to look forward to.

    But I've been doing a sort of social experiment with a few prints and I wonder if you find anything similar? I will explain.

    I tend to use a photographic style border on images made with film (scanned) so people get the clue it is film, and supposed to be grainy, and not necessarily as sharp etc. I suppose it is one of the social mores people employ. But when I start doing a few pinholes using digital and finish them like any other digital image I do, no fancy borders. And damned me, the first thing people do is stick their nose against the print and say its not sharp, or there is camera movement. Only second comes the arms length view and comments about the merits of the image. So I try a pinhole with a fancy 'photo' border and voilą, instant arms length photo appreciation! It seems to me a border does things other than simply 'framing' the image, it is now a cultural/aesthetic marker, not something that was purely optional as in the past.

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    Crossing The Swing Bridge -*Ramsey 2011
    Ricoh GXR-M + Skink Zone Plate f/71

    Yesterday was great ... I concentrated on using the Skink for about 80 exposures and have begun to see the flow of how I want to use it, what it sees. There's much more to go in understanding and developing this vision, but I have a start now.

    I'm out of time here on the Isle ... this eve I'm off to Dublin for a couple of days and then home. Tme passes all too swiftly.

    Thanks for looking! Comments appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    Great image Godfrey, I haven't tried the Zone Plate yet, something to look forward to.

    But I've been doing a sort of social experiment with a few prints and I wonder if you find anything similar? I will explain.

    I tend to use a photographic style border on images made with film (scanned) so people get the clue it is film, and supposed to be grainy, and not necessarily as sharp etc. I suppose it is one of the social mores people employ. But when I start doing a few pinholes using digital and finish them like any other digital image I do, no fancy borders. And damned me, the first thing people do is stick their nose against the print and say its not sharp, or there is camera movement. Only second comes the arms length view and comments about the merits of the image. So I try a pinhole with a fancy 'photo' border and voilą, instant arms length photo appreciation! It seems to me a border does things other than simply 'framing' the image, it is now a cultural/aesthetic marker, not something that was purely optional as in the past.

    Steve
    Thanks Steve!

    I find similarly ... borderless images presented on-line, whether film or digital, seem to invite a far more techno-geekish examination whereas when I present photos with some, nearly any, kind of 'formal' border, it seems to push people to say "oh, this is a photograph, a finished work ... what's in the frame?" as opposed to "how sharp is it?" etc.

    There's definitely something cultural/perceptual about the existence of a frame that changes what arises in the mind of a viewer. The type of frame has a similar if smaller influence.

    I don't put ragged-bleed frames on to 'simulate film in a hogged out negative carrier' so much as because for some images the hard, precise line of a sharp bordering frame is a distraction to my eye. But I know some eyes see it differently from mine. :-)

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