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    Re: M8.2

    If I could only read it! What a teaser!

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    Re: M8.2

    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    If I could only read it! What a teaser!
    the end of the article is in english. looks like the main differences are the new shutter, new scratch-free lcd glass, an auto ISO 'snapshot' mode, and SDHC support to 32Gb

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    Re: M8.2

    Thanks Jim. I found that after I posted.

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    Re: M8.2

    It looks like the link was just pulled. I have the English part saved if someone wants the full text

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    Re: M8.2

    Terry, go ahead and paste it right here
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    Re: M8.2

    Please do, I missed it. If it still isn't full frame and still requires IR filters, I doubt I am upgrading though...
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    I have to do this in parts as it is too long, the beginning is translated and full English at the end:

    Part 1:
    The new Leica M8.2 is an important development of the Leica digital tyskproduserte
    rammesøkerkamera for professional photographers. Now is the leveringsklar with a
    the suggested retail price of U.S. $. 42,980. Read pressmeldingen from Leica / Lars Farnes AS here.
    Published: 3.9. Last updated at 3.9. 17:35.
    Category: Press Release
    Directed by: Løwe Per Kristian


    The new Leica M8.2 is the important development of the Leica digital tyskproduserte
    rammesøkerkamera for professional photographers. Key benefits that M8
    discreet, intuitive use and robustness is further enhanced. The new model
    hold on the important characteristics of Leica reportasjekamera as compact
    shape and exceptional image quality with the Leica M lenses, as well as the unique
    bildekomposisjonen with Leica rangefinder, which show that it is a genuine M -
    camera.

    Leica M8.2 has been given a new extra-quiet and vibrasjonsdempet metallbladlukker that
    allows the photographer to determine the appropriate moment to buckle lukkeren.
    This brings the digital Leica M8.2 very close to the famous lukkeren to its
    analog søstere. As a response to inquiries from professional photographers have the
    new model received a more discreet appearance in which Leica logo, and has blitsskoen
    received the same color as the camera. The black model has been given an extra durable
    dypsvart surface.

    The new snapshot mode will appeal to anyone who wants to have good results without
    could be a great deal about photography. When lukkerhjulet rests on the new "S" setting,
    the camera automatically controls all nøkkelinnstillinger, such as auto -
    exposure (diaphragm preset), automatic ISO setting and automatically hvitballanse.
    For the three most common motifs, gives Leica M8.2 proposal to blenderåpning and
    fokuseringsavstand, this is displayed on your monitor when the "INFO" button presses.
    Photographer can get more information on hurtiginstrukskortet that is waterproof and
    brettes to credit card size.

    The automatic ISO setting can be selected in all operasjonsmoder in Leica M8.2.
    A new feature is Override of settings: When the release button is pressed down
    the first trykkpunkt, the corrections the + / - 3 blendere in 1 / 3 step is done on
    the wheel behind the camera. The setting appears in the applicant. Further modifications
    includes a clearer hovedbryter to prevent unwanted activation of
    selvutløseren and the framework of the applicant shows the picture more accurate in the long distances.

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    Part II:

    The new Leica M8.2 is the very first professional digital camera that takes advantage of
    ripefritt safirglass on your monitor. It is so hard that it can only be worked on with
    especially diamantverktøy. Kamerahuset has been given a new moves made by robust
    "Vulcanite" material that makes it comfortable to hold.

    A new compact charger is designed to take the least amount of space and charges the lithium ion
    the battery up to 80% within 90 minutes. It is enough for 400 exposures,
    while the capacity allows 500 photos.

    Leica M8.2 has inherited the extraordinary picture quality from the Leica M8. One result of
    the combination between the legendary M-lenses and a CCD chip that is
    especially designed for the Leica M-system and high-quality bildeproduksjon. The new
    Capture One 4 raw data converted from the Danish manufacturer Phase One will ensure that
    you get the best image quality in the DNG mature. In contrast to other
    digital cameras, the Leica M8.2 use almost all the objectives of the Leica M-series
    that have been produced since 1954 because of the high quality.

    Like his predecessor will continue Leica M8.2 to be easy to use, concentrated on the
    essential, few controls and a logical, easy-to-follow menu.

    Leica M8 was launched in autumn 2006 and will still be on sale as an alternative
    the Leica M8.2. Many of the items in M8.2 can be integrated in Leica M8: lukkeren,
    safirglasset or the new framework of the applicant can be built into the Customer Service.

    Leica M8.2 is leveringsklar and is available in the following Leica Spesialistbutikker:
    Japan Photo AS in the departments Bergen / Oslo / Sandnes / Trondheim, Fotovideo AS in Oslo,
    Interfoto AS at Høvik, Stavanger Photo AS in Stavanger and FotoStilo AS at Gurgaon.

    The suggested retail price: U.S. $. 42,980, - ink. VAT.

    Sensor. Compared with other types of sensors provide CCD technology less bildestøy
    and is therefore selected as the bildesensor to Leica M8.2. With 10.3 million pixels are
    it fully optimized for the special characteristics of Leica M lenses "
    and offers the extremely high resolution needed for the best
    image quality.

    The special presentation of a rammesøkerkamera without speilhuset, allows the
    typical, compact and flat shape to the Leica M, but it means that the light at the same time
    hits the sensor with a more oblique angle. Comprehensive measures have been taken for that
    Leica image quality that is contingent are achieved. With the special
    the modification of bildesensoren with mikrolinser avoid man in vignettering
    corners. A very thin coverplate on the basin than 0.5 mm prevent unwanted encounters of
    when the light rays hitting with a tilted angle. Leica has deliberately omitted a
    Moirè filter, which filters out fine details in the picture, so that one can get exploited
    the high resolution to the Leica M lenses. The Moirè fringe that had to appear
    up will be immediately eliminated by the camera's signal processor. The result is high
    contrast, and additional high-resolution with the natural color from corner to corner.

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    Part III:

    "Leica M8.2 using a velprøvet CCD bildesensor with 18x27mm registration
    flat, "says Stephan Daniel, Product Manager for the M system at Leica Camera AG. "
    small focal length factor of 1.33 ensures the creative freedom even in digital M
    photography by using selective bildeskarphet on open diaphragm. "Factors in
    1.33 means that the equivalent focal length of the lens is pushed a step
    against tele focal length. A 21mm will therefore be equal to a 28mm.

    The lens. Leica M8 can be used with almost all the M lenses that have been
    produced since 1954. The high system compatibility is maintained in spite of
    the transition from film to digital technology. While new customers beginning with M8
    M8.2 or can take advantage of the fact that the value of Leica products remains high. The
    high mechanical and optical precision and an exceptional picture quality to the
    current products means that the Leica M lenses are particularly well suited to
    digital photography. The criteria that individual "coating" of been the lens element
    is a standard and do not have to order special measures for "digital
    lenses. "

    Searching. Leica søkersystem separation M8.2 and Leica M8 from normal
    SLR Cameras and Compact on the market. It makes the camera to a
    spesialistverktøy for the report and the existing light photography, and to
    discrete portrettering. Photographer will be involved in the process and use the applicant to
    to frame what he should catch - a scene, a mood, a moment. He can see
    what is going on outside of the applicant. "It means he can predict the critical moment
    and register it in the right moment. The result is authentic images,
    'll keep any photographer's presence.

    Photographer can see the subject during the visibility and the clear and kontrastrike
    the applicant allows quick and precise focus, even in difficult lighting conditions.
    Along with a brief lukkerforsinkelse - on digital as well as with the film - make
    Leica M cameras to the fastest in the world.

    In contrast to a reflekssystem, where the photographer must focus through the lens
    and the focal length determines the brightness and the accuracy with distance, so
    is målebasen for a Leica M constant and independent of the lens. This means that
    the focus is many times more accurate on short brennvidder. That
    høykontrastfylte between in the middle of the applicant to ensure quick and precise focus
    even in very poor light. Rammevelgeren allows the photographer to simulate the effect of
    brennvidder other without having to switch lenses. The six different framework will
    always show the correct part IOM that the applicant is automatically in parallaksekorrigert
    relation to the distance to the subject. All the relevant information that affects a
    prefekt results appear in the applicant - ideal for the spontaneous, discrete photography.

    Close. The electronically controlled metallblad lukkeren to Leica M8.2 permit
    exposures down to 1 / 4000 sec. Even in bright surroundings can keep the photographer
    their creative freedom to be able to take pictures of the full opening. The high
    blitssynkroniseringstiden at 1 / 180 sec permit the use of utfyllingsblits and
    selective focus.

    Intuitive operering. Leica M8 models directed attention to the photographer
    the image, not opereringen of the camera. As a result, the creative aspects
    diaphragm, lukkertid and fokusplanet, which is a strong effect on the outcome of the picture,
    put to the fore. Large thoughtful, many years of experience and thorough knowledge
    about how professional photographers work have contributed to the development of the Leica
    M8's digital features. By concentrating on the essential simple, clear and
    intuitive user's control and complex menus conscious
    omitted.

    Nøkkelkontrollene to operate the digital features are retningsmenyen and
    dreiskiven which together allow quick navigation. Press the "Set" button and
    eksponeringsparameternes menu will open on the 2.5 "monitor. This is the key
    the settings are fast: the sensor sensitivity, exposure compensation, white
    balance, data compression and resolution. Three free positions are available for
    much used, and the applikasjonsspesifikke combinations.

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    Part IV:
    Presses Menu is a clear menu will be the basis for velging settings,
    such as ECI RGB, Adobe RGB and sRGB variations. Here, the photographer can decide if
    photos will be displayed on the large monitor as soon as they are taken, how long they
    to appear and whether he wants to see the histogram at the same time.

    Leica M8 has selvutløser with hhv two or twelve seconds delay.

    The remaining capacity of SD card and its rechargeable lithium ion battery appears
    all the time at the top of the camera on the left side.

    Innovative flash technology. Leica M8 models using M-TTL flash technology. That
    unique about this is that immediately before hovedblitsen guys so sent a
    kalibreringsblink. TTL meter sign that reflected the light and decide
    exactly how strong hovedblinket should be. The real beauty of the add-in blitslys
    addition to the existing light will blitsbildene to look like they have been made in
    natural light.

    With "Auto Slow Sync" feature can diaphragm pre-mature used together with
    flash. It provides a balanced background of the image, even if the intensity of the
    existing light changes. In order to get the proper exposure, make a corresponding
    utmålt utfyllingsblits used. Depending on the desired effect or experience,
    different maximum exposure times tuned to the diaphragm pre-mature.
    These can be set manually, or if coded lenses are used, automatically,
    after the thumb rule "1/brennvidden = exposure time in seconds".

    Check the results with the tonale values on the histogram. As a
    professional digital camera, the Leica M8 models an RGB value tonalt
    histogram. It may also be taken up at any time to check the quality of the
    lagrete images and can be combined with automatic display of images. Another
    useful purpose is to identify the overeksponerte part of the picture. These two
    the controls are updated continuously when a zoom in on parts of the image on the LCD
    the screen, so that one can have considered the finest details in the picture. All relevant
    photographic image parameter settings in the menu and other "meta-information"
    stored with the picture and can be viewed by pressing the Info button. This allows a
    complete evaluation of the picture as soon as it is taken.

    The use of raw data in DNG format with the use of Capture One 4 software. Capture
    One 4 professional raw data converter ensures that the raw data that the levees of the CCD
    the sensor and stored in the framtidssikre Adobe Digital Negative (DNG) format
    is designed to ensure the best possible quality. Leica will work with the
    the Danish software company Phase One to create the best kameraprofilene and
    necessary software modifications. The result is kvalitetsoptimale
    algorithms for color framkalling with exceptionally low noise and an incredible
    resolution. The development of the finest tonale verdisteg from 16-bit images delivered
    from the CCD sensor can be compared with the quality we have in a professional
    combination of film and a spesiallaboratorium for framkalling. The logical
    functions to adjust the quality and ready brukersnitt allows a quick
    master the use of Capture One 4 to producing outstanding images.

    Materials, computers and dimensions. The robust top and bunnplaten is maskinert
    out of a solid messingblokk with the help of modern technology utfresings.
    Kamerahuset is made from a very stable magnesiumslegering and will endure
    professional use over many years. The rechargeable battery and SD are kortrommet
    well-protected against dust and humidity of bunnplaten. Låsemekanismen prevent
    effective against unwanted opening of bunnlokket that can lead to loss of battery and SD
    short, even when the camera is used in reportage under tough conditions. This
    construction, tested in decades, the Leica M system, increases the robustness of
    the camera.

    The target is compact 138.6 mm x 80.2 mm x 36.9mm, Leica M8 models are only a few
    millimetres larger than the ideal size of the M models for the film. In addition to a few
    differences with the controls, such as lack of a framtrekksarm and
    tilbakespolingsknapp, is the front of the Leica M8 and M8.2 almost entirely the same as
    filmversjoner. The camera discreet appearance is especially appreciated by many customers
    and its timeless elegance can be found once again on Leica M8.2.

    Sammensettingen and the adjustment of the camera, along with a careful inspection of all
    mechanical and electronic details are precision craftsmanship at the Leica factory in
    Solmar. Leica Customer service has maintained and repaired cameras over decades and
    thus added a platform for long life and value. All M cameras that are
    produced since 1954 will be repaired and maintained in the day.

    Sensor cleaning. Leica M8 models have a special function for manual cleaning
    Image sensor: when the corresponding option in the menu is selected and trigger
    pressed down, open lukkeren for cleaning. The flat profile of Leica M
    cameras will allow the sensor will be more visible than on a digital SLR, where
    the sensor is only available behind speilhuset.

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    The end English part:

    Specifications LEICA M8 (LEICA M8.2)

    Camera type: Compact digital camera viewfinder system for professional use
    with Leica M lenses. Microprocessors-controlled metal blade focal plane shutter.

    Image sensors: Low-noise CCD sensor specially optimized for the requirements of
    the M lens system. Pixels: 10.3 million. Dimensions: 18 mm x 27 mm. Extension
    factor: 1.33 x. Aspect ratio 3:2. Coverglass thickness 0.5 mm, complete suppression
    of infrared light by additional UV / IR filter. Moiré filter: no, but full
    exploitation of the lens capabilities by Moiré fringe detection and elimination
    by digital signal processing.

    Sensor speed range: Manual setting from ISO 160/23 ° to ISO 2500/35 °
    LEICA M8.2: additional automatic setting with free choice of ISO range.

    Viewfinder
    Viewfinder principle: Large bright-line frame viewfinder with automatic parallax
    compensation. Viewfinder optics with reduced sensitivity to stray light and
    optimum visibility of the bright-line frame in all lighting situations

    Eyepiece: Matched to-0.5dpt. Correction lenses from -3 to +3 dpt
    available.

    Image framing: By display of two bright-line frames at a time: for 24 and 35 mm;
    or for 28 and 90 mm, or for 50 and 75 mm. Display selection automatically matches
    the lens in use. 100% of the sensor format is covered at 0.7 m (LEICA M8.2: 2 m)

    Frame selector: Displays pairs of frames manually to simulate any focal length

    Parallax
    compensation: The horizontal and vertical difference between viewfinder and lens
    is compensated appropriately for the focus setting, ie the bright-line frame of
    the viewfinder automatically coincides with the subject area as seen from the
    lens.

    Magnification: 0.68 x (for all lenses).

    Wide-base Combination of split-and superimposed-image rangefinder
    rangefinder: shown as a bright field in the center of the viewfinder image.
    Effective base measuring 47.1 mm (mechanical measuring base 69.25mm x viewfinder
    Magnification 0.68 x).

    Lenser
    Lens mount: Leica M bayonet with additional optical sensing for the identification of
    all 6-bit coded lenses.

    Lens system: Current 6-bit coded Leica M lenses of 16 - 90 mm focal length.
    All Leica M lenses of 21 - 90 mm focal length produced since the year 1954 can be
    used, even if lacking the 6-bit coding. Virtually all lenses can be retrofitted
    with 6-bit coding.

    6-bit functions: Lens-dependent reduction of edge shadowing originating in the
    system. Identification of the lens information within the image file to
    facilitate digital archiving. Adjustment of the flash reflectors when using engine
    zoom flash devices. Auto slow sync. function in aperture priority mode.
    Compensation of color shifts through the use of UV / IR filters.


    Exposure control
    Aperture priority mode
    (Auto): Automatic determination of the correct shutter speed with manual aperture
    pre-selection and corresponding viewfinder display.

    Manual exposure
    control: Free selection of shutter speed and aperture - can be visually checked
    using the exposure control in the camera seen by LED light in the balance
    viewfinder.

    (Snapshot mode: "S" setting of shutter speed dial = automatic control of exposure
    time, ISO speed and white balance. Menus reduced to essential functions, hints on
    aperture and focus settings are displayed when the Info key is pressed.

    Picture modes
    S Single picture, pressing the shutter release once per picture
    C Continuous succession of pictures with 2 pictures per second and 10 pictures in
    the sequence.

    Auto-release: Selectable with 2sec. and 12sec. delay time - visualization of the
    countdown by an LED visible from the front of the camera in the viewfinder
    window.

    Controls / displays

    Camera front: Lens mount; frame selector

    Top: Main switch (more pronounced detent mechanism to prevent inadvertent
    switching) and shutter release; shutter speed dial, LCD status display: display
    of remaining exposures and battery capacity.

    Back: 2.5 "color monitor (scratch-resistant sapphire coverglass), dial for
    navigation in the menu & magnifier function in 4 steps; 4-way direction pad for
    navigation in the menu & in picture details; menu button; play button; delete
    button; protect button; info button

    Base: Lockable base plate protects the rechargeable battery and the SD memory
    card against dust and moisture.

    Color monitor 2.5 "large bright LCD display with a resolution of about 230000
    pixels for viewing pictures and the menu settings (scratch-resistant sapphire
    coverglass). Brightness control in 5 stages. Checking options after taking the
    picture: general quality assessment, checking the exposure by means of a RGB
    tonal value histogram with identification of bright picture areas lacking detail
    (can also be used when zooming in), checking the focal plane, display of the
    quality parameter settings and the focal length of the lens (when used with
    current 6-bit coded lenses)

    Picture view sizes: 9 miniatures, 4 miniatures, full picture display and
    enlargement in four stages up to 100% view (1 sensor pixel = 1 display pixel).

    Picture parameter menu - main menu

    By pressing the button set, the following parameters relevant to the picture can
    be selected and changed in the picture parameter menu: user profile, sensor
    speed, manual exposure correction, white balance, image data format, picture
    resolution.

    By pressing the menu button, parameters such as the color monitor contrast or the
    color space can be set in the main menu.

    Menu languages: German, English, French, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, Chinese.

    Picture resolutions: DNG: 3916 x 2634 pixels (10.31 MP); JPG: 3936 x 2630
    pixels (10.35 MP), 2952 x 1972 pixels (5.8 MP), 1968 x 1315 pixels (2.6 MP), 1312
    x 876 pixels (1.15 MP).

    Data formats: DNG ™ (camera manufacturer-independent digital negative format), 2
    different JPEG compression rates

    DNG file ™ 16-bit color resolution, 10.2 MByte file size per picture
    information:

    Memory media: SD and Mini SD cards up to 32 GByte
    Complete list of LEICA M8-and M8.2-compatible SD memory cards: www.leica -
    camera.de/photography/m_system/m8

    White balance: Automatic, 6 preset values, manual white balance, color
    temperature input from 2000K to 13.100 K.

    Color spaces: Adobe RGB, sRGB, ECI RGB.

    Viewfinder display: (at the bottom edge of the viewfinder)
    LED symbol for flash status, four-digit seven-segment LED display with dots above
    and below (display brightness is always adjusted to ambient brightness) for:
    display of the automatically calculated shutter speed in aperture priority mode,
    indication of the use of saved metering values, warning of exposure corrections,
    warning of when the metering range is overshot or undershot in aperture priority
    mode and countdown display of shutter times longer than 2 sec., memory capacity
    warning when the SD card is full.

    LED light balance with two triangular and one central circular LED for the manual
    exposure setting.
    Display of: underexposure by at least one aperture stop; underexposure by 1 / 2
    aperture stop; correct exposure; overexposure by 1 / 2 aperture stop;
    overexposure by at least one aperture stop.

    Triangular LEDs give the direction of rotation of the aperture setting ring and
    shutter speed setting dial to adjust the exposure. The LED flashes as a warning
    that the metering range is overshot or undershot.
    (In "S" mode: red dot to indicate correct exposure, left arrow to warn against
    camera shake, right arrow to warn against overexposure)

    Exposure metering: Heavily center-weighted TTL exposure metering with pre -
    set working aperture.

    Metering principle: Light reflected from a white strip in the centre of the metal
    blade focal plane shutter.

    Metering range: EV0 to EV20 at 20 ° C room temperature, 1.0 aperture and ISO
    160/23 °.

    Metering cell: Silicon photodiode with collection lens positioned at the center
    of the lower edge of the camera base.

    Flash exposure metering / control using M-TTL flash technology

    Principle: Using an extremely short calibration pre-flash fired immediately
    before the exposure, the exact power requirement for the main flash is
    determined.

    Connection: M-TTL guide number control with calibration pre-flash at
    accessory shoe SCA 3502 (version M4) or with Leica flash SF24D

    Flash synchronization
    time: 1 / 250 sec. (1 / 180 sec.) Synchronization permits creative open aperture
    photography even in bright ambient light.

    Manual: Flash synchronization times from B (bulb) down to 1 / 250 sec. (1 / 180 sec.)

    Aperture priority mode: Auto Slow Sync: automatic extension of the longest flash
    time, using the rule of thumb 1/focal length in seconds. (only with 6-bit coded
    lenses). Choice of long flash synchronization times up to I 1 / 8 sec. for
    balanced flash when taking pictures in available light aperture priority mode.

    Synchronization Firing optionally at the 1st or 2nd shutter point (with
    flash firing time: appropriate flash device such as the LEICA SF24D or when using
    the SCA-3502 adapter).

    Flash exposure ± 3 1 / 3 EV in 1 / 3 EV stages adjustable at the SCA -
    correction: 3501/3502 adapter. Settable at the LEICA SF 24D ± 3EV in 1 / 3
    EV stages, or from 0 to -3 EV in 1EV stages when using computer control.


    Shutter and shutter release

    Shutter: Microprocessors-controlled metal blade focal plane shutter with vertical
    action (optimized to reduce noise and vibration).

    Shutter times: In aperture priority mode (A) steplessly adjustable from 32 s down
    to 1 / 8000 s (1 / 4000 s). With manual setting from 4 s down to 1 / 8000 s (1 / 4000 s)
    in half steps. B for long exposures of any length.

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    Activation: Shutter activation optimized for a minimum of noise. Electric motor
    drive with friction wheel in the first speed build-up stage and a cam disk for
    homogenous torque throughout the activation process (time-delayed after cocking
    shutter button is released, selectable in menu).

    Release: Three-stage activation governed by how far the release is
    depressed: 1. Switch the camera electronics on & activate the exposure metering --
    2. Save metered value (in aperture priority mode) - 3. Release (includes a
    standard thread for the cable release)

    Power supply: Lithium ion rechargeable battery with a nominal voltage of 3.7 V
    and a capacity of 1900mAh.

    Interface: 5-pin standard mini-USB socket on the left side of the body, for quick
    USB 2.0 data transfer to a computer.

    Camera body

    Material: Enclosed all-metal body of highly stable magnesium alloy for
    professional use over many years. Black synthetic leather coating. Top cap and
    base plate are milled from solid brass and are silver or black chromium plated
    (black paint finished).

    Tripod thread: DIN4503 - A1 / 4 (1 / 4 ") in the centre of the bottom cover.

    Size (W H x x D): 138.6 mm x 80.2 mm x 36.9 mm

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    Thanks Terry. This certainly sounds legitimate and quite likely based on Leica's previous patterns. It is a bit of a let down that they have not figured out how to do full frame or no IR filters yet, but at least they are doing something. It looks like they are learning from their customers -- quieter shutter, smaller charger, vulcanite instead of the slippery-anite that is on it and the MP, sdhc support, 16bit dng...but fundamentally, as an imaging system it is the same as the M8. Same sensor, same ISO performance, same IR filter requirements, same crop factor. For me, this is the deal breaker -- no point in upgrading for a few nicer features when the camera's results are identical. If I were to be buying new now, however, the new one would probably be worth the premium. 42000 dollars sounds like a lot, though, even for Leica! Kidding, 42000 kronur sounds more likely--that is about 7700, but includes Norway's VAT of 24%. That means 5800 or so in USD, but it is likely to be cheaper in the US than in Norway (even if you include the VAT). Chances are they will price it at 5000 again, and the M8.1 will undergo a price cut to 4000 or something.
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    Stuart -
    16 bit and SDHC could be a firmware update anyway.

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    I can see 16bit, but I thought SDHC had a hardware component to it as well....I could be wrong.
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    Does look like they have fixed the IR problem. From Terry's next to last post-

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    Or does it mean you need an "additional UV /IR filter" for "complete suppression of infrared light"??

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    The 42,980 is not USD...it's in Norwegian Kroners. Should be around $7700 USD...if you can believe this thing at all!!

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    I think it is accurate and the $7500 arena sounds about right for Leica.

    I am also pretty sure Simon has read it correctly, you still need the external IR/UV filter to fully suppress IR...

    SDHC is partially hardware, as is any SD over 2G --- probably why the original will never get larger via firmware. I suspect *some* of the early readers they bought for the early bodies were limited to 2G...

    So basically, you are getting the newer shutter, the coated LCD cover-glass, a basic auto ISO and SDHC. Frankly, does not seem like very much incentive over a used M8.1 for less than half the price... Heck, it may even drive used M8 prices up!

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    Jack -- you are forgetting that price of 7700 says "including VAT". VAT is 24% in Norway, nothing to sneeze at. That brings the price down to 5800. Traditionally, Leica prices in Europe are higher than in the US, even before VAT calculation. I would be very surprised if this costs much more than the M8.1 did. 5000 dollars MSRP in the US.
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    The only problem I see on SDHC is the fact that an increasing percentage of cards sold are larger capacity SDHC. I should probably keep a stash of 2gb SD cards in reserve.

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    Hmmm sounds interesting but I would have liked to seen a lot more to it. Mostly fixes here

    just not very compelling to me. I wanted FF and a bigger sensor
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    I really don't think this is all of what you are going to see. I just think this answers the question since the upgrades were announced about how new cameras will be equipped. It really makes no sense to have new M8's have to be disassembled because the buyer wants the upgrades.

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    I honestly wonder if the M8 isn't going to end up an almost one-off product like the DMR. With all the time that's gone by since it was introduced, and all the issues and feedback Leica have gotten, they have responded is a completely lame manner. If this is the best they have to offer two years on, I don't think they can hope to grow their market share. As much as I enjoyed using them, I'm sure glad I sold my bodies when I did.

    If Nikon was to bring out a RF body with the D3/D700 sensor, I think Leica would have to pack up their ditty bag and find some other source of revenue.

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    I feel a little let down. I've been thinking about another M body and have been waiting patiently to see if there would be something that could match the excitement generated lately by companies like Nikon. But it feels as if they just lumped the "upgrade" enhancements in with a couple of other minor tweaks and called it a new model. "S" mode? Fugheddaboudit! They must be after an obscure market segment with that.

    Alas, I will probably end up with one. Especially if the price is in the $5k range. I love the image quality and for me, nothing else in a less-than-MF compares. So since I've decided to let the MF technology evolve for a couple more years before I jump in, there's likely to be an M8.2 in my future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I think it is accurate and the $7500 arena sounds about right for Leica.

    I am also pretty sure Simon has read it correctly, you still need the external IR/UV filter to fully suppress IR...
    I quite agree

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    SDHC is partially hardware, as is any SD over 2G --- probably why the original will never get larger via firmware. I suspect *some* of the early readers they bought for the early bodies were limited to 2G...
    Maybe you know something I don't? My understanding was that this could be done with firmware on the M8

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    So basically, you are getting the newer shutter, the coated LCD cover-glass, a basic auto ISO and SDHC. Frankly, does not seem like very much
    Isnt' there talk of weather sealing? more resistant coatings?

    Also, auto ISO is a useful feature (as long as it's properly implemented) much more useful than auto WB in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    incentive over a used M8.1 for less than half the price... Heck, it may even drive used M8 prices up!

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    Let's hope so!

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    Simon and Tim both of your comments will be repeated about a 1000 times if this is announced. Most users of the M8 will feel the same way , not enough meat to fill the roll. i was expecting a lot more meat here , this is not enough after 2 years from the original M8. It's good but good is not enough in this market. You need to kick some serious butt here to get people in the fold of Leica. All this does is serve existing customers to trade up. i actually hope this is just a rumor to be honest and not real. I want to see something that gets my fat arch out of my chair.
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    Re: M8.2

    If I polled people yesterday the thinking the M9 was not for this year but next year.

    Kauffman strongly hinted at a cheaper M and still they haven't come out and said no R.

    Today, we get news about a mark 2 which makes sense so you don't have to upgrade brand new units but this leak doesn't preclude an M9 next year, doesn't say anything about a lower priced M and doesn't address the R and everyone assumes/thinks this is THE full extent of the announcement. I think not.

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    Re: M8.2

    There is always the possibility that they give us this right away (which should not be hard frankly), and then announce the plans for the M9. Of course it might cannibalize the sales of the M8.2, but frankly, they are probably not any different than the M8 in terms of manufacturing -- just a different shutter unit, screen cover and a few different electronic adjustments....not a big deal from an assembly or parts perspective. This could be conceived of as a good move if they are trying to get an M9 done, but don't have it ready yet. Better to give an incremental upgrade now and the word of something else on the horizon than to give nothing at all.
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    cross posted with Terry -- great minds think alike. And apparently so do Terry and I
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    I am still waiting for a announcement to get my fat arch out of the chair. There is hope and i will wait until all the announcements are made but this one is not good enough. Sorry I love Leica but they need a WOW product this is not it.
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    Is it me or does it seem that the distance for which the frame lines are calibrated has been adjusted from closest focus to 2m?

    Image framing: By display of two bright-line frames at a time: for 24 and 35 mm;
    or for 28 and 90 mm, or for 50 and 75 mm. Display selection automatically matches
    the lens in use. 100% of the sensor format is covered at 0.7 m (LEICA M8.2: 2 m)
    Also, has the buffer been increased to 10 frames?

    Picture modes
    S Single picture, pressing the shutter release once per picture
    C Continuous succession of pictures with 2 pictures per second and 10 pictures in
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    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I don't get anywhere near that many frames in sequence now without filling the buffer. Not that I often shoot like that, but still...

    If the frames are more accurate, in addition to quieter shutter, etc., and the price is more like Stuart says and not just a straight Kroner-USD conversion I'd consider getting one and using my current M8 as backup (dump my DSLR system which gets very little use).

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    While this is disappointing and yet not unexpected , it makes sense. Leica needs to continuously improve the M8 and incorporate upgrades periodically to stay competitive. For those of use that depend on our M8s . We have a choice now to buy an upgraded body or have some of the upgrades done as repairs. While nobody likes to take a hit on depreciation , if you can net $3000 for a 2 year old M8 and buy a new m8.2 for $6000..this might actually make sense. So if you assumed that the M9 is really 2 years away ..you have a choice to trade now or in 2 years? Just like a decision on your car and because of the repair option you have a decent alternative . Compare this to the nonsense about the M8 will continue as is and you were required to send a new body back for the new shutter .

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    I thought I saw "variable delay when you lift your finger in S mode" in one page of Terry's post. That sounds like our long standing request to quiet the shutter cocking by being able to hold off until the camera is lowered from your face.

    I don't see anything in this list that can't be done as a retrofit to an existing M8, either.

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    If this statement was issued by the firm Lars Farnes (as it seems), it is in all probability genuine. Lars Farnes is the official agent/importer of Leica in Norway and has been for years. My guess would be that it was issued prematurely and then pulled when the mistake was realized.

    As for the content, well if these incremental improvements are all Leica can come up with after two years, it is disappointing. Useful and desirable, yes, but not to the extent that I feel need to upgrade.
    Probably though it is just one announcement of several (from Leica) that will appear before photoKina.

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    Does look like they have fixed the IR problem. From Terry's next to last post-

    "...Coverglass thickness 0.5 mm, complete suppression
    of infrared light by additional UV / IR filter. Moiré filter: no, ..."
    I read this as the same as the M8 which also has a 0.5mm cover glass. I think the other refers to an additional (read lens mounted) IR filter to fully suppress the IR spectrum

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    I agree. If they had solved this issue, it would have received prime marketing space as it is a huge criticism from existing users.
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    Let's hope this isn't the BIG Leica announcement we've all been waiting for though.
    Jono - The really big announcement we're waiting for is:

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    Hi All,

    I can understand that people who were hoping for an M9 soon would be a bit disapointed with this release but otherwise this really just seems to be the upgraded M8 with a couple of tweaks.

    For me personally I would like to see a sensor and electronic framlines in an M9 to consider upgrading (if, of course I cannot have my M8 upgraded to the spec :-)).

    I must admit that the idea of an 'S' mode seems strange. I hope this is not instead of the 'A' mode? Whilst Jono for instance stated above that he liked the feature it is something I, personally never use on cameras. I am all for a direct way to change the ISO but I would not want the camera to do it of it own accord. A waste of a click on the shutter wheel in my humble opinion.

    I hope in general that this pushes people considering an M8 into the yes camp.

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    I think auto ISO works extremely well on the new Nikons. Especially since they seem to have such an enormous noise-free range when it comes to ISO. Alas, the M8's usable, noise-free ISO range seems to be far less forgiving.

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    Hi All,

    I must admit that the idea of an 'S' mode seems strange. I hope this is not instead of the 'A' mode? Whilst Jono for instance stated above that he liked the feature it is something I, personally never use on cameras. I am all for a direct way to change the ISO but I would not want the camera to do it of it own accord. A waste of a click on the shutter wheel in my humble opinion.
    Funny isn't it, I wouldn't dream of using auto WB on the M8 (or any other camera). But auto ISO is really useful, BUT it must have a 'minimum shutter speed' setting and a 'top ISO setting'.

    It's great for taking candids, where the lighting may change quite a bit, and you want to keep the same aperture within a shutter speed range. So, for instance, if you were shooting indoors with a 35mm and you wanted to shoot at f2, and to keep the shutter speed above 1/20th, you could set the auto-Iso, so that the camera will always give you the best possible ISO within those constraints.
    Without it you need to set a higher ISO than you might need, and you don't normally have time to change it if you're grabbing 'the moment'.

    I agree with Tim, it's more useful on the D700/D3 where you can go up to 6400 without too much trouble. Still, I think it'd be useful on an M8 as well.

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    Tim/Jono,

    I think you have explained why I have reservations about the feature. There are consequences requiring exposure decisions to increasing the ISO on the M8. I am happy to expose for highlights between 160 and 640 but go nearer the mid range for 1250 and 2500.

    Jono,

    I was unaware of the shutter speed/top iso parameters. This does indeed add a level of sophistication to the feature I was until now ignorant of so thanks for explaining that.

    I look forward to the day when I can say I can go up to ISO 6400 without too much trouble on an M ...

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    This is about what I would expect from Leica. Major upgrade once every 4 or 5 years and one upgrade incorporating client feedback in between. If the M8.2 is more reliable with a smoother quieter shutter that's a step forward. I don't see any DRF competition in the near term so I expect Leica to continue to survive. I'm perfectly happy with a 4 or 5 year product cycle. I'm not going to shell out 5K every two years for a new body. Image quality of the M8 is a match for anything I would have used 35mm film for so anything beyond what they have now IQ wise is MF territory, not what the M was intended for. Better high ISO performance would be more important for a reportage camera.

    Faster wide lenses and a small format camera that is better then the Ricoh GRD. That would do a lot for the Leica line up and we still might see that.

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    Damn - nobody has EVER told me I look like Tom Jones before.

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    Tim/Jono,

    I think you have explained why I have reservations about the feature. There are consequences requiring exposure decisions to increasing the ISO on the M8. I am happy to expose for highlights between 160 and 640 but go nearer the mid range for 1250 and 2500.

    Jono,

    I was unaware of the shutter speed/top iso parameters. This does indeed add a level of sophistication to the feature I was until now ignorant of so thanks for explaining that.

    I look forward to the day when I can say I can go up to ISO 6400 without too much trouble on an M ...
    I think you just hit the nail on the head . . . on the other hand it'd be nice to get that much detail without too much trouble on a Nikon!

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    Damn - nobody has EVER told me I look like Tom Jones before.

    Now I'll have to change it AGAIN
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