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    Re: M9 AND the Sony Nex ..make any sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    Derogatory tone?

    Well if it was derogatory it is against myself, because I have forgotten to focus a rangefinder while using it alongside an AF camera. And if you say its not possible to simply press the shutter before realising your mistake, then you may have some lessons to learn. Every photographer, no matter how experienced, is open to making every mistake once, some less experienced photographers make the same mistake twice. To suggest simple things can't suddenly bite you and get complicated is just arrogance, its what brings down space shuttles never mind all the everyday errors in a darkroom or out on a shoot.
    yes, and i stand by that.

    i make mistakes. i have been known to shoot with the lens cap on, only to realise it when i hear that painfully long shutter speed. and i've done it more than once so call me an idiot, but i'm not arrogant.

    but to imply that using two systems side-by-side invite errors that are unnecessary just isn't right. some people can do it with ease, others not. it isn't an absolute.


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    Roger, if your still a subscriber to Sean Reid's site, he's got the first part of a review looking at using the NEX 5N and the Ricoh GXR w/A12 mount with rangefinder lenses.

    i haven't read it yet, but i thought i'd give you the head's up.

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    Pretty sure you would believe me that I don t forget to focus my RF cameras . And I think I can shoot fairly quickly and accurately using two Ms . My goal is to forget the cameras completely and concentrate on seeing the opportunity develop in front of me . To accomplish that I need consistency in the feel and process. The more comfortable I get with the process the easier it is to let go of the urge to control the process .

    Sorry if this sounds theoretical but there are great analogies in sports like tennis and golf ..you don t look at the ball ..you look at where you want it to go. But this only comes from significant repetition .

    I ve watched some really great photographers work and they aren t messing with the settings . Yet when I handed my M9 to a really famous photographer who had been shooting a D3 ...he misfocused a half dozen captures ...just out of practice .

    I tried working with the X100 and it was very different ..not saying I couldn t get there with similar practice . It sounds like you are developing a real comfort in working with the two different cameras .

    Glad you are having some success with it ..... a super camera .

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    Thanks for the reference to SR ... I read all his reviews and find them very relevant to my shooting style and requirements .

    Keep in mind that my objective is to extend the capabilities of my kit beyond the M9 s ..not to create an alternative . So how will the latest and greatest (Sony,Ricoh,Fuji ) compliment the M9 ....I outlined three areas ...(1) focusing longer lenses (2) improving high ISO performance and (3) facilitating an integrated simple small fill flash option .....

    Adding any other system comes at a cost (1) mastering a different user interface and (2) reconciling capture file differences . Nothing works better IMHO than two matched body/sensors .

    So I tried to frame the discussion around the benefits and the costs and I hope my comments are taken as “what would work for me” .

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    There are times that I keep wishing to have a nice zoom or a macro. So NEX 7 seems like a great camera for that, although SONY is lacking decent lenses in that format in my opinion. I'm also not sure just how comfortable I would be with investing money into E mount, but that's a whole other consideration.


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    Re: M9 AND the Sony Nex ..make any sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by nowherean View Post
    There are times that I keep wishing to have a nice zoom or a macro. So NEX 7 seems like a great camera for that, although SONY is lacking decent lenses in that format in my opinion. I'm also not sure just how comfortable I would be with investing money into E mount, but that's a whole other consideration.
    I now have used the Nex5n (kit and 24/1.8) a bit more side by side with a M9 (with 35 and 50 Lux asph)

    When it is just about IQ I clearly prefer the Leica, because:
    a) color and tones look different, the Leica color I prefer, but l guess its a question of taste
    b)noise: The M9 at ISO 1250 beats clearly the Nex at 1600 ISO IMO.
    c) Focus....For shallow DOF I get better results with the M9 - I know where I focus (eye vs nose) and it works. The Nex AF is ok but as soon as shooting shallow DOF I find the AF points too big and sometimes get the eyes very slightly out of focus for example. Focus peaking is fine, but also doesnnt allways works totally accurate IMO. And magnifier I dont like because I dont see the whole subject any more.
    However with the Kit outside and a little more DOF the AF is fine.

    But then the Nex offers zoom, it is very fast, I like the swivel display, it does video, and even if I prefer IQ of the M9 the Nex IQ is still very good.
    The combo of the Kit and the 24/1.8 allwos to use the camera both in good and low light.

    So for me the Nex for felexibility, for casual and for low weight,...bike tours, skiing, family events, things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Actually, I wasn't talking about the M9/NEX7
    But you have stated rather categorically that the NEX7 is bad at high ISO, and I think that this is simply not correct.

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    Panasonic JPEGs are not good. Why use them or JPEGs at all? Check out RAW where noise levels in the two cameras are very similar and the NEX-5n is clearly (1.-1.5 stops) better than the NEX-7 and you give up very little resolution. It's too bad you can't get the 5 sensor in the 7 body.

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    Re: M9 AND the Sony Nex ..make any sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by RichA View Post
    Panasonic JPEGs are not good. Why use them or JPEGs at all? Check out RAW where noise levels in the two cameras are very similar and the NEX-5n is clearly (1.-1.5 stops) better than the NEX-7 and you give up very little resolution. It's too bad you can't get the 5 sensor in the 7 body.
    Hmm - don't quite understand you - I don't use jpgs.
    I was basing my understanding on MR's rather good comparison on LL - which certainly didn't give the 5n a 1-1.5 stop advantage. At least, not when you down ressed the 7 files to 16mp.

    Actually, the 5n body is fine as long as you use the viewfinder (at least, I think so) but the extra resolution is clear, and it means something to me at least!

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