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    'leica good or zeiss good' as in image quality or ergonomics?

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    The 50/1.1 Nokton and 35/1.2 Nokton that I own are nicely made, smooth to operate, and deliver great results. Perhaps not the build quality of a 1950s Summicron, but then again- nothing is, not even new Leica lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    'leica good or zeiss good' as in image quality or ergonomics?
    I was thinking image quality/performance. Ergonomics ... few M-bayonet lenses I've used are terribly different from an ergonomics standpoint. Some are smaller and handier to carry.

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    Moonshine, like wj I use a Nikkor on an adapter, and it is one case where the ergonomics (focus and aperture direction) are different. I had both the Nokton f1.5 and the Nikkor Millenium, and since I still had a Nikon S2, I kept the Nikkor. The Nikkor had better flare resistance than the Nokton I had, but otherwise I couldn't tell them apart in most conditions, and any differences didn't really matter. The Nokton is also bigger, especially with the factory hood, but otherwise I'd go that route unless you get the Nikon rangefinder bug.

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    If your main reason for not getting the Nokton F1.1 is "lack of character", then get the Zeiss Sonnar.

    If you want to get the fastest lens possible- go with the F1.1 Nokton.

    The F1.5 Nokton used to go for $300~$400. It is closer to $700 new. The F1.1 is not that much more for a full F-Stop extra. When the F1.1 lens is discontinued, prices will shoot up.

    I have the 50/1.1 Nokton and the C-Sonnar 50/1.5, plus another 15 or so 50mm lenses faster than F1.8 in Leica mount. Some odd-ball ones like the 50/1.5 Simlar and custom converted Zeiss Sonnars. The C-Sonnar has lots of "character" wide-open, but the F1.1 Nokton on an M9-



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    i would love to get a sonnar 1.5...i've seen lovely images from it but its a tricky one from what I've read and with my inexperience in having to adjust for front/back focussing...it may not not be for me
    the nokton 1.1 50 seems rather bland, image wise, but from what i've seen of the nokton 1.5 (and i could be wrong) it looks like it has more appeal. I just hope that its a solid lens because i don't want to be buying and selling again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    i would love to get a sonnar 1.5...i've seen lovely images from it but its a tricky one from what I've read and with my inexperience in having to adjust for front/back focussing...it may not not be for me
    the nokton 1.1 50 seems rather bland, image wise, but from what i've seen of the nokton 1.5 (and i could be wrong) it looks like it has more appeal. I just hope that its a solid lens because i don't want to be buying and selling again..
    I don't know if you went for one, but in an impulsive moment I ordered a new Nokton 50mm f/1.5 and adapter a few moments ago. Figured there can only be so many new ones left and if it isn't exactly what I'm after, well, they sell used for very near what SG sells them for new at this point.

    I'll let y'all know what I think about it when it gets here (and I have some time to go shooting with it, my real issue these days!).

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    I added another Sonnar F1.5.



    Oldest, made in 1934.

    and the "prettiest".



    I'll do a comparison with the C-Sonnar, two Sonnars made 75 years apart.

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    I have used the Nokton 1.1 extensively and it is a fantastic lens for the money, in my opinion. I've only used one copy (mine) but it's quite sharp in the center at f/1.1 with some slight veiling haze and of course color fringing at areas of high contrast.

    But for $900 or so used, it's unbeatable.

    The Nokton 1.5 has a more "classic" look, with gentle spherical aberrations that emphasize the subject in the center. Mine has appreciable axial chromatic aberrations wide open, at contrastive transitions but it cleans up nicely by f/2.

    Another "sleeper" I think, is the Nokton 40mm. It's wicked sharp and renders nicely. It's like a slightly wider, slightly faster Nokton 1.5, but natively M.

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    I have had both lenses and have very recently sold my Sonnar to get a Summicron 50 new. The Sonnar is a superb lens. I sent mine back to Cosina and they optimised it for focus wide open. This is a pain if you want to use wide open it needs to be adjusted. If I had to choose between these two lenses I think I would go with the Nokton because of the value of what you get for what you pay.
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    Great buy there Godfrey. Hopefully Moonshine picked up one as well. I've had my Nokton 50/1.5 for a while now. Currently, I also have the Nokton Skopar 50/2.5 and the Zeiss Planar 50. Contemplating about picking up a 50 Summilux ASPH (as soon as I sell one of my kidneys off at Fred Miranda). I love 50mm!

    Anyhow, here's a pic with the Nokton 50/1.5. Having also used the Nokton 50/1.1 in the past, the 50/1.5 is a much better performer at or around 1.5 than the 1.1.


    Bokeh of the Voigtlander Nokton 50/1.5 by Armanius, on Flickr

    Here's a Nokton 50/1.5 review with a couple of comparisons against the Summilux ASPH.

    Voigtlander Nokton 50 1.5 Lens Review | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirimiri View Post
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    Another "sleeper" I think, is the Nokton 40mm. It's wicked sharp and renders nicely. It's like a slightly wider, slightly faster Nokton 1.5, but natively M.
    +1 ... The Nokton 40 is one of my most used lenses, on both GXR and Leica M. It's a terrific piece.

    With luck, my 50/1.5 will be here today or tomorrow. :-)

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    Nice portrait, and thanks for the link to Steve Huff's page!

    I also have the Skopar 50/2.5 ... a very sweet and very compact lens. I'm now at the point of way too many lenses compared to how much time I have to spend making photographs. Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Nice portrait, and thanks for the link to Steve Huff's page!

    I also have the Skopar 50/2.5 ... a very sweet and very compact lens. I'm now at the point of way too many lenses compared to how much time I have to spend making photographs. Sigh.
    I hear ya! I ended up returning the Zeiss Planar so that I can justify getting a Lux. I figure that I might as well give it a run, even though from the review at Steve Huff's site, I didn't see much of a difference between the Nokton 50/1.5 and the 50 Lux.
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    Nokton 50/1.5 arrived this morning. It is smaller and lighter than I had expected.. very nice!

    I have no time to experiment with it until this evening.
    I'll mount it on the M9 and see what it does for the next week and some.

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    Two quickie exposures this evening ... Nothing special, just snaps of Felipe in my office just before the sun went down. Both at f/1.5 ...




    Lovely lens, it has a lovely presence.
    Well worth the money!
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    Glad you are enjoying your Nokton 50/1.5 Godfrey! IMO, the 50/1.5 just simply can't be beat in terms of price/performance ratio.
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    I still haven't found a nice used nokton 1.5...one of these days..

    Godfrey congrats!! your pics are lovely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    I still haven't found a nice used nokton 1.5...one of these days..

    Godfrey congrats!! your pics are lovely!
    Thanks!

    It's worth chasing one down or coughing up the money for a new one, while they're still available new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    I still haven't found a nice used nokton 1.5...one of these days..

    Godfrey congrats!! your pics are lovely!
    I may sell mine Moonshine. I just got a 50 Lux. Still deciding on which one to keep though. To my eyes, the Nokton seems a tiny bit sharper than the 50 Lux. Just not as contrasty and the bokeh is not as creamy.
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    ok lmk if you do
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    Just bought the Nokton! Waiting for it to be shipped
    Is the lens hood worth getting as I haven't got one yet?
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    Sweet! Congrats.

    A lens hood is never a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    Just bought the Nokton! Waiting for it to be shipped
    Is the lens hood worth getting as I haven't got one yet?
    I've been using the standard short hood. The deeper, full hood is probably a plus, but it's a touch on the pricey side if you buy the Voigtländer original. I haven't found it to be terribly necessary.

    It's a standard 52mm filter thread so it should also be easy to obtain any number of quality aftermarket threaded metal lens hoods. I probably have a couple of them in my 'miscellaneous hoods and caps' box.

    (For the M9, a standard 50mm normal hood will work nicely. For an APS-C camera, I'd use a B&W or similar short tele hood.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    Just bought the Nokton! Waiting for it to be shipped
    Is the lens hood worth getting as I haven't got one yet?
    Congrats!!!

    I haven't had much of a glare issue with the Nokton 50/1.5. So I would hold off on buying the hood, and just use the short screw-on hood. The lens cap goes over the screw-on hood, so you'll likely be keeping the short screw-on hood on all the time.
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    Got it. Thx! I'll be using it on a m9 so wanted to know what you code it in (manually) as?
    Thanks!

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    I had originally coded the Nokton 50mm f/1.5 as the Summilux 50 pre-aspherical and regret it, as it overcorrects the vignetting at certain apertures and anything with a uniform tone, such as skies, look pretty bad.

    For the time being, I leave it uncoded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    Got it. Thx! I'll be using it on a m9 so wanted to know what you code it in (manually) as?
    I've been using 11891-11892 (Summilux-M 50mm 1.4 ASPH) with good results.

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    I use it as 50 Lux-Asph. Sometimes, I use it as the pre-asph version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    ... snip ....
    Lovely lens, it has a lovely presence.
    Well worth the money!
    Godfrey, I look forward to hearing your more detailed impressions.

    I am considering to buy one. Where did you get yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magosak View Post
    Godfrey, I look forward to hearing your more detailed impressions.

    I am considering to buy one. Where did you get yours?
    Impressions:

    - very nicely made
    - nice feel to both aperture and focus ring action
    - wish it had a focusing tab, the focus ring knurling is a little slick
    - a little bulky but not overweight or oversized
    - image quality is outstanding ... very little flare even wide open, sharp and contrasty even wide open, smooth and pleasant bokeh too. Gets even better on sharpness, contrast etc a stop or two down.

    I find it simply an outstanding lens. Once I did some shooting with it, I knew for a fact this was a keeper. Glad I sprung for it.

    I bought mine from Steve Gandy at CameraQuest.com, new. Lens and Voigtländer type II M-bayonet adapter with sales tax, total, cost was right about $800. A bargain at that price for this kind of quality. (And my friend in New York gloated that he got his a half decade back for half that ... I'll slap him when next I get to NY. ;-)

    It does still life work very nicely as well as people ...


    Leica M9 + CV Nokton 50mm f/1.5
    ISO 800 @ f/1.5 @ 1/25

    Just a great lens!
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    Very nice! Indeed, it's a great lens. My personal favorite is the 35 Nokton.

    It's a shame that the replacement, the f/1.1 doesn't compare to either.

    Congrats again, and happy shooting!

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    Thanks, Godfrey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Very nice! Indeed, it's a great lens. My personal favorite is the 35 Nokton.

    It's a shame that the replacement, the f/1.1 doesn't compare to either.

    Congrats again, and happy shooting!
    thx!

    My 'other favorite' is the 40 Nokton ... that's what's on the M9 today. I'm off to the farmers market now.

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