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    New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    With an adapter of course, but at 1699 retail, this might be a good price to get into the world of Leica lenses for the people who dont like ILCs ( sony NEX etc..)


    http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/de...ust-read-this/

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Let's see how it focuses. What methodology is going to make it different than the NEX?

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Let's see how it focuses. What methodology is going to make it different than the NEX?
    +1

    It is a live-view cam.

    The initial offer of a 60/2.4 macro lens should give an indication..

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    It appears to have better ergonomics than the NEX cameras, but Ive only handled the NEX 5 not the new 7

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    It appears to have better ergonomics than the NEX cameras, but Ive only handled the NEX 5 not the new 7
    While my index finger is on the shutter button, only the middle finger could wrap around the "grip" in NEX-5.

    Now, on the NEX-7, only 1.25 fingers are off the "grip".

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    And you can manually enter the focal length for third party lenses. That is getting very tempting...

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    I am yet to be convinced by any APS-C sensor!
    I'm not sure this will change my mind, but Fuji is saying this new camera will rival full frame DSLRs. So how much faith do you have in Fuji, I know Canon is worried about how well Fuji designs their own sensors, which holds a lot of weight coming from Canon.

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    With an adapter of course, but at 1699 retail, this might be a good price to get into the world of Leica lenses for the people who dont like ILCs ( sony NEX etc..)

    http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/de...ust-read-this/
    The Fuji X-Pro1 is an "ILC" (aka MILC, aka LIVE, aka mirrorless TTL system camera, etc etc). It has a hybrid viewfinder, integrating framelines on an optical view or switchable to an EVF, that's all. It is not in any way, shape or form a rangefinder camera. If they haven't implemented some form of focus peaking focusing display, it's a second runner for M-bayonet lenses far as I'm concerned.

    But that's beside the point. The real question is how well its sensor will image with short focal length, near-symmetrical lens designs (like the Zeiss Biogons, the Voigtländer Skopars, etc). Providing an adapter on a short mount register is the easy part, optimizing the sensor to suit these RF lens designs is what takes significant effort.

    The Leica M8/M9 and Ricoh GXR-M do the best job with these lens designs so far. Sony's NEX 5n is alone in the NEX and mFT camera lines that does pretty well with them, almost as well as the GXR-M.

    It's this criteria that my interest in the Fuji will rest upon. The body looks nice, but I already have a very nice set of M-bayonet lenses and will not buy another body no matter how nice the body looks if it doesn't do at least as good a job with my current lenses as what I'm getting from the GXR-M.

    I have other concerns as well, drawn from my recent experience with the X10, but this is the first criteria that has to be there for me to even be interested.

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Yes, there are many unanswered questions, some that will be addressed at CES (such as what type of focus assist) and others once it starts shipping.

    As far as wide angles, I don't have any doubts that the 18/2 offering will be quite good (especially compared to the half hearted effort Sony put into their 16mm) and it looks like it will be far cheaper than any wide M glass alternatives...especially non-existent 18mm f/2 M-mount offerings.

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    I am yet to be convinced by any APS-C sensor!
    There are fresh rumors on a full frame Fuji already......

    One good thing about this Fuji rumors has been the outpouring of expectations (not a big secret) of potential buyers on what they want.

    It puts pressure on the others, especially Canon who have not shot their feet with a toy system like Nikon have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    One good thing about this Fuji rumors has been the outpouring of expectations (not a big secret) of potential buyers on what they want.
    It looks like an exciting camera.

    I just wonder if it can overcome the basic fault of all recent camera releases. We get lists of what people want, or what they desperately need in many cases, and the camera manufacturers play the field to make it look like they have responded. Yet the photographs produced with all these new cameras are no different to those that have gone before? It seems the manufacturers are exploring the limits, but photographers concerns are always with traditional aspects of image making, like how sharp is it, what is the bokeh like, what is the ISO performance like. Counter this with an artist such as David Hockney (in his 70's) who not only embraces new technology, but pushes it further than most people, making drawings on his iPad or multi panel video pieces.

    So the question is, what great photographs will people make with this new Fuji? Why is it going to be a must have? Will it get you the Pulitzer Prize, or will another year go by looking at bokeh and testing lenses and high ISO? Because lets face it, out in the real world there will still be the guy with an M6 working away and being more constructive, imaginative, and producing something far more worthwhile than most people and without even needing to acknowledge the Fuiji X-Pro 1 exists. Using Leica lenses on it will be a pointless game without a plan.


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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post

    So the question is, what great photographs will people make with this new Fuji? Why is it going to be a must have? Will it get you the Pulitzer Prize, or will another year go by looking at bokeh and testing lenses and high ISO? Because lets face it, out in the real world there will still be the guy with an M6 working away and being more constructive, imaginative, and producing something far more worthwhile than most people and without even needing to acknowledge the Fuiji X-Pro 1 exists.


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    What have M8 and M9 accomplished? Is that your question, Steve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    I just wonder if it can overcome the basic fault of all recent camera releases.
    By 'recent' do you mean going back to the 30s?

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    So the question is, what great photographs will people make with this new Fuji?


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    Shhh. Some people don't get. Just think how great it will look hanging around your neck!



    But I think for folks that don't have this type of camera, it is really nice. I have something very similar and I am not sure I will spring for the Fuji simply because it is not going to give me a whole lot more in terms of quality or handling compared to what it will replace--I don't find the newest cameras are really making significant changes in terms of image quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    It looks like an exciting camera.

    I just wonder if it can overcome the basic fault of all recent camera releases. We get lists of what people want, or what they desperately need in many cases, and the camera manufacturers play the field to make it look like they have responded. Yet the photographs produced with all these new cameras are no different to those that have gone before? It seems the manufacturers are exploring the limits, but photographers concerns are always with traditional aspects of image making, like how sharp is it, what is the bokeh like, what is the ISO performance like. Counter this with an artist such as David Hockney (in his 70's) who not only embraces new technology, but pushes it further than most people, making drawings on his iPad or multi panel video pieces.

    So the question is, what great photographs will people make with this new Fuji? Why is it going to be a must have? Will it get you the Pulitzer Prize, or will another year go by looking at bokeh and testing lenses and high ISO? Because lets face it, out in the real world there will still be the guy with an M6 working away and being more constructive, imaginative, and producing something far more worthwhile than most people and without even needing to acknowledge the Fuiji X-Pro 1 exists. Using Leica lenses on it will be a pointless game without a plan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Shhh. Some people don't get. Just think how great it will look hanging around your neck!



    But I think for folks that don't have this type of camera, it is really nice. I have something very similar and I am not sure I will spring for the Fuji simply because it is not going to give me a whole lot more in terms of quality or handling compared to what it will replace--I don't find the newest cameras are really making significant changes in terms of image quality.
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    The aim nowadays seems to make and market a cameras to be purchased, not primarily for providing excellent tools to command by experience of getting to know them in your sleep to make quality photos with, but mere to enable large sales and upgrades.

    Gradual upgrades and many models create income for the companies to make more such to sell... and makes us all spend ALOT on camera gear and electronics... , is it not???

    The introduction to "hands-on preview" on dpreview:

    :"When Fujifilm announced its FinePix X100 retro-styled large-sensor compact at Photokina 2010, it captured the imagination of serious photographers in a way the company seemed not to have quite anticipated. The X100's combination of 'traditional' dial-based handling and outstanding image quality brought widespread plaudits, making it something of a cult classic despite its undeniable flaws. The subsequent addition to the range of the X10 compact, with its bright, manually-controlled zoom lens, has cemented Fujifilm's resurgence as a brand worthy of serious attention.

    The X100 may have looked very traditional but it housed some very modern technologies - foremost amongst which was its hybrid optical/electronic viewfinder. This design not only allowed the choice of a rangefinder-style optical view or a fully electronic view but was also able to overlay electronic data over the optical viewfinder. It was a masterpiece of engineering, but appeared to be a design very much dependent on its use with an integrated prime lens.

    With the X100's success and the increasing popularity of mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras, it seemed only a matter of time before Fujifilm would introduce a higher-end model with exchangeable lenses. And after heavy hints that such a beast was indeed in the offing, that moment has now arrived. The camera is called the X-Pro1, leaving absolutely no doubt as to its intended market: it becomes the first camera of its type specifically aimed at professional photographers."
    :

    Does the above really match reality or is pure marketing BS???

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    The more I look at this beautiful looking Fuji, the more I yearn for simplicity: a camera which does as little as possible and just lets me see. I don't need 9/10 of the bells and whistles they've put into this camera. I don't want focus by wire, I'm not convinced that autofocus does me much benefit.

    Nope, not for me. I'll have to stick with the old tired M9. ;-)

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    Full res sample files here:

    http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig...sample_images/

    Simply amazing what this little camera can do!

    If Fuji scales this up to MF it's game over for some other players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredBGG View Post
    Full res sample files here:

    http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig...sample_images/

    Simply amazing what this little camera can do!

    If Fuji scales this up to MF it's game over for some other players.
    I am curious of what you are smoking or drinking, I would like to have some of that too!

    The sample images are notably NOT sharp.

    Scale to MF? Really? If we scale it to the same size of 80MP sensors from Leaf and Phase One that means 94MP that is NOT sharp. Not to mention comparing the color rendering and more (low ISO). Thus seems a bad investment for Fuji to make it into MF... On other hand, if they did and wrapped it to same size camera without all the auto features and same price as they are selling this one for, I might be interested.

    Now no. I think it is smarter to wait for an even better and more manual camera to appear in future... if it at all does. Else I shoot iPhone and MF and save my money.

    Interesting to read of it, but PR of it is amazing to make people go dreaming online that it is magic camera. Does it brew fresh coffee too???

    Cudos to Fuji for trying. However rather than all they put on the PR build up, would have been better for them to spend some extra on sensor to scaled it at least to FF which would have made more respectable than the mere 16MP, assuming they would have been sharp ones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders_HK View Post
    I am curious of what you are smoking or drinking, I would like to have some of that too!

    The sample images are notably NOT sharp.

    Scale to MF? Really? If we scale it to the same size of 80MP sensors from Leaf and Phase One that means 94MP that is NOT sharp. Not to mention comparing the color rendering and more (low ISO). Thus seems a bad investment for Fuji to make it into MF... On other hand, if they did and wrapped it to same size camera without all the auto features and same price as they are selling this one for, I might be interested.

    Now no. I think it is smarter to wait for an even better and more manual camera to appear in future... if it at all does. Else I shoot iPhone and MF and save my money.

    Interesting to read of it, but PR of it is amazing to make people go dreaming online that it is magic camera. Does it brew fresh coffee too???

    Cudos to Fuji for trying. However rather than all they put on the PR build up, would have been better for them to spend some extra on sensor to scaled it at least to FF which would have made more respectable than the mere 16MP, assuming they would have been sharp ones...

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    Well - Anders - I cannot see where these images are not sharp or of any bad quality already in this preliminary version ....

    What are you smoking

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Probably the same stuff I am.
    The leaf and ivy image does look a bit soft over-all to my eye at 100%.
    But that is not all that bad.
    If these were files that came from my MF back, I would send the back in for work.
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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Bob, this is an APS-C size sensor and a low-contrast target taken by Hoo Nose. I would imagine your MFD back, even a 16MP one, would do better.

    I think the MF comment was wishing for Fuji to make a MFD camera, not comparing it to one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The Leica M8/M9 and Ricoh GXR-M do the best job with these lens designs so far. Sony's NEX 5n is alone in the NEX and mFT camera lines that does pretty well with them, almost as well as the GXR-M
    From what I have seen, the NEX-C3 is similar to the 5N in this regard. My personal experience is that the Sony 16/2.8 edge performance is similar on the C3 and 5N, in both cases a bit better than it was on the 5.

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Interesting lens offerings for later this year and next:

    Later this year:
    -14mm f/2.8
    - 18-72mm f/4.0 with IS (Image stabilization).

    Next:
    - 28mm f/2.8 pancake
    - 23mm f/2.0
    - 72-200mm f/4.0 IS
    - 12-24mm f/4.0 IS

    The 14mm makes adapted super wides kinda moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    From what I have seen, the NEX-C3 is similar to the 5N in this regard. My personal experience is that the Sony 16/2.8 edge performance is similar on the C3 and 5N, in both cases a bit better than it was on the 5.
    Could be ... I've never even seen a NEX C3 never mind seen any testing work done with one.

    Sean Reid's latest update on the A12 comparing NEX 5n and GXR-M demonstrate pretty clearly that the GXR-M does a better job with "near symmetrical" short focal length RF lenses. That falls in line to what I saw with my friends NEX 5 and Sam's comparison of 5n and GXR-M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Could be ... I've never even seen a NEX C3 never mind seen any testing work done with one.

    Sean Reid's latest update on the A12 comparing NEX 5n and GXR-M demonstrate pretty clearly that the GXR-M does a better job with "near symmetrical" short focal length RF lenses. That falls in line to what I saw with my friends NEX 5 and Sam's comparison of 5n and GXR-M.
    I thought Sean's last testing on the CV15 showed that GXR had less color shift and was more cyan vs Sony more purplish but both clearly needed to be corrected with cornerfix or an LCC correction. It was published yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I thought Sean's last testing on the CV15 showed that GXR had less color shift and was more cyan vs Sony more purplish but both clearly needed to be corrected with cornerfix or an LCC correction. It was published yesterday.
    I read Sean's report last evening. It showed that, but it also showed substantially better corner/edge resolution, all the time, with the GXR-M vs the NEX 5n despite the decrement to 12 Mpixels vs 16 Mpixels. With the NEX 5n stopped down to f/5.6-8 (CV 15), there was improvement but it never hit the same quality as the GXR-M. The color shifting is a lesser problem; the resolution degradation is more significant.

    The CV 15 is a weak retrofocus design. IMO, the CV 21/4 presents a better stress test because while it is a little longer focal length, it's a more nearly-symmetric optical design and stresses the sensor optimization more. When I tested the GXR-M vs the NEX 5 (not 5n) using the Skopar 21/4, the difference was quite noticeable without any pixel peeping required.

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    Wow, good for Fuji. That looks like a heck of a lineup (on paper) !

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Interesting lens offerings for later this year and next:

    Later this year:
    -14mm f/2.8
    - 18-72mm f/4.0 with IS (Image stabilization).

    Next:
    - 28mm f/2.8 pancake
    - 23mm f/2.0
    - 72-200mm f/4.0 IS
    - 12-24mm f/4.0 IS

    The 14mm makes adapted super wides kinda moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Interesting lens offerings for later this year and next:

    Later this year:
    -14mm f/2.8
    - 18-72mm f/4.0 with IS (Image stabilization).

    Next:
    - 28mm f/2.8 pancake
    - 23mm f/2.0
    - 72-200mm f/4.0 IS
    - 12-24mm f/4.0 IS

    The 14mm makes adapted super wides kinda moot.
    Where did you get this list from?

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    It's listed on several of the rumors sites

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    It's listed on several of the rumors sites
    Are rumor sites now become part of the marketing campaign? What the world is coming too!

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Rumor sites have been part of marketing for some time now ... Hype and anticipation helps sales.

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Rumor sites are a God sent for these camera companies ... the message goes viral instantly, and takes the temperature of the marketplace in an age where plans for the next camera are probably already in the prototype stage.

    Publish or perish has never been more true for these companies (a marketing model taken from the computer companies that puts dreamy $ in the eyes of corporate executives) ... and the resulting constant gaze out toward the coming horizon on the part of "we the consumer" has never been so intense. The newest camera is barely out of the box, and we long for the next step in the evolution ... which we can be certain they are already working on ... and when it comes we are so fixed on the horizon beyond that it is NEVER enough.

    All this creates a sort of emotional conflict and odd anxiety We think this will make us better somehow, or some way, so we get it, but in the back of our heads we worry that it'll soon be defunct, less than, obsolete, and by extension so will we ... Ad Infinite Nauseum.

    Kinda pathetic if you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredBGG View Post
    Full res sample files here:

    http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig...sample_images/

    Simply amazing what this little camera can do!

    If Fuji scales this up to MF it's game over for some other players.
    Well, given the state of Kodak, and the fact that Hasselblad has a tight working relationship and history with Fuji, the notion of Fuji making sensors for them is an interesting leap of logic.

    Whether Fuji could make a 645 sized sensor is a whole other can of worms. However, if it IS possible, and the new Fuji CMOS sensor technology introduced in this camera can be implemented and refined, then the first CMOS MFD camera and all that implies could become a reality.

    I love pipe dreams, they don't cost a single penny, and help put you to sleep at night

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    Well, given the state of Kodak, and the fact that Hasselblad has a tight working relationship and history with Fuji, the notion of Fuji making sensors for them is an interesting leap of logic.



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    Word out on the wilderness is that this Fuji designed sensor was made by Toshiba that is now owned by Sony.

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

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    Well - Anders - I cannot see where these images are not sharp or of any bad quality already in this preliminary version ....

    What are you smoking
    Currently an e-cig ... another tech oddity to simulate the real thing like some of these cameras ... you have to suck on it like a baby bottle for a single puff

    I don't put much stock in initial images from a new camera. If I did, these images would put it in the "do not buy" column immediately.

    As is, they do not transcend the APSC look and feel, the sky shot with moon @ ISO 200 shows obvious tonal stepping in the constant gradients, and nothing is particularly sharp.; The architectural detail is flat 2D looking and oddly hazy in the shadow areas to my eye; The waterfall also looks APSC 2D flat which is a crime for this sort of shot; I can't find any part of the close up of the red pod thingy that's sharp; and the flat ivy shot manages to make a living thing look dead.

    This pup has to get out in the real world and the files handled by artists that have something in mind when they shoot and that memory when they process ... then we'll see what it can do.

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Word out on the wilderness is that this Fuji designed sensor was made by Toshiba that is now owned by Sony.
    Globalnomics strikes again.

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    Fujifilm has said the leaked lens roadmap for the X-mount used in its X-Pro1 is close but not finalized. Fujifilm's Kayce Baker, speaking to dpreview at the CES show in Las Vegas, said the leaked roadmap was 'a close estimate' of its plans but that some decisions, such as how fast the lenses maximum apertures will be, have not yet been made. The official line remains that there will be nine lenses in the next two years.

    Whatever they release this year probably has max aperture already, or it won't be til next.

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    Re: New Fuji x-pro1 will be able to use M lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by FredBGG View Post
    Full res sample files here:

    http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig...sample_images/

    Simply amazing what this little camera can do!

    If Fuji scales this up to MF it's game over for some other players.

    I'm afraid I don't see "simply amazing" in these samples. My lowly six year old M8 is safe for quite a while yet, if this is all the latest technology can produce.

    Right now I would say Leica could really separate themselves from the pack, with a next generation sensor in the M10.

    I'm sitting on the fence waiting for something that is a significant improvement to the currently available image quality

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    X2

    I downloaded all full size jpg. They are ok, but nothing that I would call amazing. Love to hear what you see that I don't.

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