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    Leica S Leak

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    Designed to appeal to photogs who have MF kit and DSLR - sort of hybrid between the two
    Is 'long-term investment' for Leica (aka betting firm on it me thinks)

    37MP
    30mm x 45mm sensor - 56% larger than FF
    SLR-esque body
    New lenses, some leaf shutter for higher flash sync

    $$$ - unknown but assured to be nasty (rumored at Euro 25-30,000 - I assume body or body+kit lens)

    Tech will eventually 'trickle down' to a new R (that said, sounds as if S2 and M8 will be the linchpin products for Leica)
    No word on if will take R glass, but will likely need adapters IF will take them.

    Logic - assuredly debatable.

    Very interesting tech but IMHO - will have a TOUGH time permeating professional MF user market due to (in no order) only (I assume) Leica lenses can be used, likely cost, Leica service & support, penetration into rental houses, etc.

    Very neat concept but going smack up against 30MP+ MF systems from Hassy, Phamiya, Sinar, etc - all of which are dropping in price like a rock, have much greater market penetration, wider lens selection (and cross-platform use of lenses with stop-down), wider Svc & Support operation - and established reputations re: electronics reliability.

    Also with MFDB prices dropping and the advent of $2700 21MP FF DSLRs, many photogs can more easily afford to have both a MFDB and DSLR and, with adapters, have a backup unit of some repute on hand.
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    Re: Leica S Leak

    If I won the lottery, would be sweet to use, but I can't help but think it would have made more sense a couple of years ago when MDFB prices were in the stratosphere and pro-FF DSLRS were $8000 - and stayed there for more than a month (clean 1Ds3s now for $5600).

    Mixture, on my part, of technology-driven excitement and a sad 'sigh'.

    FYI Edit - LUF poster indicating dealer info on MF R lenses ceasing production. May explain some of the lower dealer 'demo' prices have been seeing of late.
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    I'll take the glass half full side of this on pricing. Look at the lens in the picture. It is a Summarit, so clearly it makes me think that they have thought about pricing. The article also pointed out that size is between 5D and 1DsMIII so they seem connected with reality.(But I could be 100% wrong!!)

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    Exactly what i guessed all along. Looks very interesting , how long till it hits the streets and how much is the 64 k question. But going in the right direction and the lenses someone actually knew what they where doing on there offering. Now it needs to be close to MF pricing I agree . Hassy, Phase and Sinar have dropped below 20k or more to offer something similar sensor wise.
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    IF the pricing is realistic (not Euro 30,000 for a body or body+kit) and they can do something about their S&S structure and penetrate rental houses (or rent via dealers), it could do well.

    Uptake will also be slow as I suspect most pros interested will wait and see how the aforementioned non-tech variables shake-out, not to mention what the reliability looks like.

    Terry, bear in mind with the larger sensor the 75/2.5 will have the FoV or something like a 50/2 so the summarit label may have more to so with the FL than the price.

    Hellishly interesting tech/concept, but I guess would have to call me glass half empty on it for the time being.

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    Re: Leica S Leak

    I was also looking at the focus ring which looks like it has the same rubber as the M Summarit line.

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    Ah...

    I wonder if the new lenses, being AF, are plastic vs metal (to keep the mass down that the AF system needs to spin)?

    It is also the first of a new line of S cameras, so could prove interesting on the MF front going fwd.

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    Now If this comes out next month ,my guess it is a P45 Plus sensor from Kodak cut down. At this time really the only sensor that makes sense. Someone needs to do the math on this , but it just might be a 6.8 micron sensor. if it comes out next year it maybe a new sensor from Kodak. We need to hear more about this for sure. There are some cons to this having a integrated body and sensor . The camera part goes down your not in great shape. It does lend itself to be smaller but at a risk
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    I think the issue is going to come down to whether Leica can get working pros to really buy into their model. For sure this camera system is not about wealthy amateurs and collectors.........this is a product for folks who make a living shooting fashion, fine art etc.

    I am anxious to follow the story but I am wary that the pros are going to go for this one. I think that for the product to be successful there needs to be a bridge strategy for someone who already owns a portfolio of lenses to move gradually over to the Leica lenses. Without this you would be looking at something more like $50K to get shooting. That is a tough sell.

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    It's a tough sell to get whoever has a MF system already to shift over. I need a VERY compelling reason now to do that. Sure gear lust as always but too switch me now it would be very hard. I need to justify the ROI on it like any other Pro. 30,000 euros and i am already out of the running
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    From this very brief leak, if true, I have to say that this is a very interesting offering from Leica. It does sit squarely in the space that several have been discussing/wishing for.....something bigger than 35mm DSLR from a sensor size, and something less cumbersome than MF from an ergonomic perspective. The new lenses, could also be quite interesting for sure. (Recall that even if they are the less costly Summarits, if like the M versions in performance, folks could be getting a lot of bang for the buck.)

    As Woody points out, the issue is going to be just who is going to jump on this. It really does need to be a number of pros that do have a way to start replacing/adding glass, as there is no obvious "bridge" from anything else right now. If Leica is able to deliver this soon, and if they do have their awful S&S worked out better, and if the glass can be kept somewhat more affordable but not yield on quality, they could have a very good shot at folks picking this up. Honestly, I do find it an attractive alternative to going heavy on MF, yet busting past 35mm DSLR for just what they are targeting....fashion, fine art, etc. The thought of something more compact, but able to turn out really great captures is intriguing at least. The issue will come up about how easily/hard it will be to keep up with new tech, especially in the sensor, where MF folks now just replace that back. May not become an issue if most of it can be handled with firmware updates, but they may be a limit.

    Overall, this does look rather interesting. I just hope it is real and that Leica has learned from past debacles to get something that works correctly out the door quickly, and then support it flawlessly. If not, no pro will bother with it, and most others will just watch it languish as newer things land all around it from DSLR and MF camps.

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    Re: Leica S Leak

    How many Mamiya ZD cameras have been sold exactly (even at Mamiya's price)?

    Yes, price will be the factor here.

    As Rob pointed out, the Summarit, etc names don't mean anything when the format size goes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    How many Mamiya ZD cameras have been sold exactly (even at Mamiya's price)?

    Yes, price will be the factor here.

    As Rob pointed out, the Summarit, etc names don't mean anything when the format size goes up.
    Well, the ZD sports a smaller sensor, bit more cumbersome body, questionable overall quality (body and image), so not sure if this is good direct comparison point. The article underscores that this new S2 is targeting professional photogs doing fashion, studio, fine art type shooting, whereas the ZD was sort of targeting the just barely MF entry point. Maybe it is the same group, but I was not remotely interested in the ZD when it was announced or released, but I do have a lot more interest in this Leica S2. Hard to explain, and it is surely not about being a Leicaphile The ZD looked appeared to me as a somewhat "get into MF at the basement" sort of camera, and though it promised a lot, it was not making as many marks for the pros that needed it to perform and perform and perform. Not saying this S2 is going to make that grade, but it does seem to have thought about some of the needs (dual shutter options), faster (?) AF lenses, T-S lenses from the start, a more robust sensor most likely, etc. The ZD may have talked about some of these future capabilities, but is it really delivering there? (Not slamming the ZD, just do not hear folks raving about it, or really talking about it so much. Most move up to the replaceable back version for greater flexibility and better IQ.) This S2 could fall victim to the same sort of things.....being more locked into the DSLR frame of mind, which dictates throw-away body as tech improves. Then again, maybe not, if the 37MP sensor size hits a real operating and IQ sweetspot. Not everybody wants/needs 50MP, and 15-20MP is just not enough.

    I do find this to be an attractive middle ground, but the price may be too high, and the overall utility may be hamstrung by a thinner lens line to start. Just too soon to tell. If priced right, I could see going this route over my present plans toward Sinar or Hasselblad.

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    Good for Leica. When it comes to pros, I think this will impact the top end of Canon as much as the bottom end of MF. The smaller MF formats are going bye-bye anyway as the full frame 645 60+ meg back make their entrance.

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    Re: Leica S Leak

    Very interesting, what a beauty. But I suspect pricing will be as rumored.

    It's good to see manufacturers move away from the legacy of specific film format sizes, there are some indications that other manufacturers might be headed this way as well.

    I'm inclined to view this as an attempt to (re)grab the high end of the DSLR market, more than MF.
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    It's hellishly interesting, but Leica has a LOT of variables to get in line to make this a success in the pro market; I truly hope they juggle them successfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Good for Leica. When it comes to pros, I think this will impact the top end of Canon as much as the bottom end of MF. The smaller MF formats are going bye-bye anyway as the full frame 645 60+ meg back make their entrance.
    Marc,
    What will be interesting is to see if this new sensor size really delivers and hits the marks. It is more than 35mm FF will be able to offer, maybe not in total number of pixels, but at least in pixels of a size that may provide better overall performance. There is nothing "sacred" about the larger sensor of the bigger MF cameras, except having more pixels for sure. If they are needed and utilized, that segment will not be threatened so much. It is the lower end, where DSLR and MF start to butt heads a bit more that could become very interesting, and where this S2 is landing. Even if Canon introduced a new 40MP 1-series body, I would still have to think about going that route, versus this 37MP slightly bigger sensor and more flexibility route. So in that respect, I think you are dead on.....this can go after the Canon and maybe Nikon high end users that are considering MF, but just really do not have the complete need yet.

    Guess we shall all know soon enough where this may go. I would still love the overall handling of a fast, sturdy DSLR, but would also like to get more of the IQ of the MF offerings. This could be a way to get both. I do worry about the pricing, however. If Leica misses the mark here, it may remain more attractive to stick with a high end DSLR plus a MF for what it can deliver, rather than straddle a gap with an expensive system that may still need DSLR and MF options to round it out. Really hard to know. I do like how it is shaping up.

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    The form factor is cool, but I would think as a MF pro, the back/body distinction, while it adds some bulk, also adds a safety margin.

    IF the S2 body packs it in on a shoot, the whole enchilada goes to NJ/Solms for _____ wks/months. There's no having a lower-res backup back/back to slap on or sending some stressed-out PA to the local rental shop for a quick back replacement, etc.

    As result, you'd need a backup high-res SLR with it's own glass (assumptions made re: S glass fitting on say a 1Ds3) or a traditional MFDB kit as a backup - with it's own glass.

    While the intent may be to target the fashion, etc market - the state of Leica's S&S structure (currently) and the all-eggs-in-one-basket form factor would suggest it may appeal more to the uber-high-end DSLR user possessing of suitable backup gear. A Phase-like, overnight-temp replacement warranty would also be a wise idea on Leica's part.

    But again, still cool as hell.

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    Rob,
    Agree. That is the one thing that really makes this sort of offering nervous....what do you do about a back-up? (aside from having more than one to start!!) The Phase concept of overnight replacement would be a very attractive feature, but it still does not get you completing the job on THAT day. Hey, maybe this is where that Canon 5DMkII can come into play with a few lenses. Never going to be the same, but then slapping a different/smaller back onto a MF is not all that different in some respects (except for the critical issue of the glass).

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    There are three things that have to come alive to consider from the MF folks. Shutter lag, Shooting rate and ISO 1600 that would maybe make us convert. the other is service with a guarantee promise for Pro's a loaner or 1 week service time. I can get a back here in my hands by 10 am tomorrow morning and actually just happened in Florida for Bob something was wrong with his P45 and he had a new back in his hands by the next morning to shoot the models. If leica can make those kinds of promises and service agreements to there customers than Pro's maybe interested. If there after this market which apparently they are than major improvements and loaner/service issues needs a major shot in the arm. this goes for anyone. You want to attract Pro's than you need to deliver for them.
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    I can't see it costing 30,000 euros for a body and lens. That is more than any of the other MFD back kits in a similar megapixel range. Leica may be able to play off their lens superiority in 35mm against Canon and Nikon, but that argument doesn't hold as well against Mamiya and Fuji (particularly with DAC correction), let alone Zeiss, Schneider and Rodenstock. And given that Leica 35mm lenses cost more than medium format lenses from Zeiss and Schneider, it will be interesting to see where Leica prices their lenses.

    If this is to be a bridge camera, it needs bridge pricing as well. There really is no way around that. People may pay more for less features in 35mm, but that is a much harder sell for the working pros that this is marketed at.

    I actually do expect the pricing will be less than 30,000 euros...I have the feeling that Leica finally had that sink in a bit. Marketing against Canon and Nikon is one thing, but Hasselblad, Sinar, Leaf, Phase and Mamiya is another entirely.
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    What gets me, all the cool tech aside, what is Leica's competitive advantage with the S2?

    With the DMR it was the CCD sensor (for some), the lack of AA and ability to use Leica glass sans stop-down. The M8 is a different animal.

    But for the S:

    1. Form factor - but that is a 2x sword as we mention.

    2. Leica glass - no question there; but at what price vs RS, Hassy, Mamiya, Contax 645., etc? How flexible with the S mount be? Can other glass be used in stop-down if your Leica __mm APO S tanks? Can the S glass be used on a backup ____ in stop-down mode? I suspect the answer is no - as the lens pictured lacks an aperture ring.

    3. Weather sealed - ok, neat but not exactly a sustainable advantage vs the competition.

    While a cool product, the strategy behind the S2 just has me shaking my head vs. the alternative routes they could have gone - affordable DRF, R10, R-glass in EF/F, etc mount (BIG cash cow), etc.

    I suspect one issue is that given their size, there are only so many R&D irons they can have in the fire at one time. I do think it's safe to say the new S line is either going to make or break Leica.
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    The problem is that Leica have egg on their face when it comes to reliability vis a vis digital. There was a built in market for the M8 due to existing film M users and so even though they did themselves no favor with the UV/IR mess, initial recall, and cases of SDS, people still snatched t up because of existing lenses and it was (just) affordable. But a lot of pros said no way due to poor reliabilty reports and long service down times (both of which happened to me).

    So it's going to take a lot of arm twisting (and a truly amazing, fully vetted, and reliable product) to get working pros to switch to a wholly new and very expensive system.

    Best of luck Leica. Personally I think you should have come up with more rangefinders (and maybe you still will) and/or a truly unique p&s and really worked on your best known identity as a maker of fine compact cameras.

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    If real, an interesting concept for sure. And we (or many) thought that Leica would not be able to develop an AF-line of lenses. So will these new lenses actually be made in Wetzlar?
    One wonders if Leica will regain the no doubt huge R&D cost of this ambitious project.
    As far as the "announcement" or rather leak is concerned, there are a couple of things that bother me: The picture does look unreal, more like an artist's impression than a photograph of a real camera (could be the reproduction). Besides a viewfinder prism for 45x30mm format will be BIG, the proportions of the camera shown does IMO not support a sensor of this size, unless another viewfinder technology is used.

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    I think a lot of great sensible comments so far folks. I think we all get IT, now the question comes does it fit the bill. Cost versus results and functionality. I agree the service part is a key element here. leica's service track record on the M8 was not something you want to build a business module around. I had SDS twice and battery issues along the way. Did not instill the confidence i need as a Pro, i dealt with it but it was not easy as others have reported all along. I seriously hope that has changed and they seriously consider ramping up loaners and service times to 7 to 10 days guaranteed. It does look promising but right now it is eye candy. Until more facts on price , delivery and all that goes with it.
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    Rob - I can only speak for myself; here's where I see the advantage. If I leave on a trip and pack the M8, dSLR (pick your flavor) and a P25 based medium format kit - it's ALOT of gear. Add chargers, batteries, lenses, trinkets, etc. I've gone on a trip with more gear "luggage" than my wife's actual garment luggage! She just rolls her eyes and also grasps the magnitude of how much has been spent on gear. You can only hide so many Domke J2's before the light bulb goes on

    Tally up all that gear - say $8k in a 5D2 based system with lenses, a M8 with 1 or 2 lenses and ultra basic medium format kit. It hits $20k real fast. Each system has its advantages here and there, but using all three is a royal pain in the ***. Horses for courses..., blah, blah, but I still have to drag along the horse trailer! And if I get the cajones to leave one system behind, I guarantee I'll wish I had THAT system and not the 1 or 2 that came along for day - murphy's law.

    So, I like (and value) the idea (promise) of one system delivering that quality in moderately sized camera body. I can work with it with ~3 lenses --- something wide, something normal and something telephoto. Here's where price is key. If the Leica prices the S2 w/ 75mm for $17,995 which is on par with the new HY6 kit, or a P30+ with a P645 kit or the H3DII-31 --- then Leica is positioned well. Not great, but well. The next two lenses will be budget busters - probably $3500 per lens, so the kit would be $25k.

    In absolute dollars $25k is heart-stopping, but I've got that much sunk in gear already across multiple systems. If Leica prices it right, I can see myself switching, but with alot of anxiety attached. As others have said, it needs to be solid from day one. Spending that much to go through a year of firmware & hardware & software messes isn't worth it.

    I'm very interested, but Leica could squash that interest with the wrong price tag. If the price is right, then I'm guardedly optimistic. I'm very curious to see how Hasselblad counters Leica's new system.

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    Here is the counter as it is today with the one sensor with micro lenses. Hassy H31 around 18k with body and lens. Phase P30 plus with body and lens around 19k. Sinar same sensor there new 65 around 19k or so. These all use the same sensor. Than there is more higer res. backs also in all the systems. So if Leica comes in as you estimate i would call that pretty damn good. Any more than that it becomes a toss up and many would stay where they are or even go higher in MF systems. This one needs to be priced very carefully. Also needs to blow MF away in functionality like speed , ISO and shutter lag which are really our biggest issues in MF. Size does not mean much really but certainly anything smaller is a gift and I agree three systems is a nightmare.
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    It's real enough all right. Strategic alliance with Phase One for development and distribution sounds good. No tech. details yet.

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    A very expensive fast dslr with medium format quality with 2:3 ratio? In my opinion, big mistake. Too long for portraits, great for PJ though. Hey! perfect for documenting a South Hampton wedding.
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    Well, if 3:2 is a mistake, what about Leaf's funky dimensions on their new 50 MP sensor? I'm not implying Leaf's move somehow validates Leica's, just pointing out a weirder aspect ratio.

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    The Phase deal sounds good.

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    Just got off the extremely slow LUF ticker that the S2 is official. Getting Andreas to send me the press release and official images. 70mm is the standard lens on this beast.
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    Well, true. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. In a world of half a million dollar Ferraris on backorder, there must be a place for a 25K Leica. The problem is, the entire world is decomposing at a faster rate now.

    And thinking about Leaf's new sensor... well, still sounds a little weird to me.
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    this is grate but why not modular?

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    I must say, Leica USA continues it lack of web savy. Nothing not the the press release, nothing, nada, nada, nada.....

    Maybe it'll be there next week.

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    Well, the concept does sound intriguing for sure. The price being tossed around (25k euros) is just stupidly out of line compared to what is now their new competitor group (Sinar, Phase, Hasselblad, Leaf, Mamiya). Even if the glass is outstanding, the entry price sounds way too high, and there still is the fear and loathing of the support and service part of things. I like the idea. I am sure Leica can pull it off as as very good piece of kit. The price will keep me waiting and looking elsewhere for as good or better. Unless there is service and support at the level pros need and demand, Leica will not be seeing an order from me on this one. Really too bad. A lot of the right pieces of the puzzle in a size and functionality that hits the marks. The price and concern over service are just typical "Leica".

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    I bet Leica could deliver a nice f1.4 lens for the system ... but I cringe in thinking about what the price might be ...

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    3:2 sensor in a MF camera? I don't know if that is an advantage or not, but for someone who dishes out loads for a 1Ds3, it might... Maybe this is MF's strike back at 35mm to re-take lost business

    It looks neat, and I can imagine that an M8/S2 kit would cover all bases. M8+R8/R9/DMR is already a little odd, with two cameras with the same sensor size, but this goes a bit beyond that. Neat.

    We have heard rumours of both a $10K price, and a $25-30K price. I wonder where it will be? Hopefully below $20K, or even around $15K, if they want to attract much business. There must be savings from not having all the external interfaces of a typical MF body/lens/DB.

    I am not so keen on the hard edges on the camera, but then I thought that the R8 was ugly the first time I saw it, and by now I find it beautiful.

    Interestingly, 30x45 is 50% more area than a FF 35mm sensor, so with a crop factor, it would still be possible to use R lenses on an adapter and get decent MP from it. I find it odd that I cannot see the bayonet on this body, so maybe Leica made the bayonet close enough to the sensor to fit R lenses?

    Also interestingly, 66% of 37MP is 24MP, so maybe the "far from dead" R10 will be a 24MP camera? That would be awesome, and exactly what I need for my 180 Cron.
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    Well, the concept does sound intriguing for sure. The price being tossed around (25k euros) is just stupidly out of line compared to what is now their new competitor group (Sinar, Phase, Hasselblad, Leaf, Mamiya). Even if the glass is outstanding, the entry price sounds way too high, and there still is the fear and loathing of the support and service part of things. I like the idea. I am sure Leica can pull it off as as very good piece of kit. The price will keep me waiting and looking elsewhere for as good or better. Unless there is service and support at the level pros need and demand, Leica will not be seeing an order from me on this one. Really too bad. A lot of the right pieces of the puzzle in a size and functionality that hits the marks. The price and concern over service are just typical "Leica".

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    Well, one note on service -- I figure they will sell 1000 of these if they are lucky...assuming it does not have issues on arrival like the M8, it is not unreasonable to think they will be able to do pro-level service. Low volume and high price means they can probably sell these with the promise that they will receive priority service -- it is unlikely that so many will fail at the same time, leading to the problems that the M8 had -- since they are so few, they can let them jump the line without horrendously impacting the rest of their service department. Or at least, there's hoping...
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    at first I was not thrilled with the 3:2 ratio.. yet I used to shoot the 6x9 roll film back a lot
    so maybe this will grow on me... and why no mention of R lenses... I am having doubts
    that it will work.. as r10 is coming next year.. I think we are looking at a S mount camera - lots of questions and little cash, but eager to see the whole picture

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    No aperture rings. Leaves any R lens out
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    I sent Leica a note on getting the press releases. Not sure there even talking to me but at least it was asked for the forum.
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    This is an entirely new system, the last of the ousted CEO. Kind of hard to turn a ship around in a storm and still come out with a product for Photokina so I assume that they went forward with the release. $18,000 is what I have heard for the US kit.
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    $18,000 seems reasonable. I heard around 15,000 EUR for the body and 1 lens. But that was 1 month ago.

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    Not bad. let's see what the final numbers will be. Any word on timing
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    It is expected Summer 2009. If trickle down works, a FF R10 as well that uses all R lenses and some new AF lenses.
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    No aperture rings. Leaves any R lens out
    Why?

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    Summer 2009 . Hmmm Looks like a long cold winter coming. LOL
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