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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    They really need to change their name from "SLR Magic" while attempting sell lenses to mirrorless camera and RF users.
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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Agreed

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    I started using M mount glass with Ricoh GXR-M just because it was more compact and lighter than my Canon 1Dsm3 rig. Now how much does this "magic" lens weight? 'Nuff said.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    It'll still be lighter than 1DS3 setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYGTAFOTO View Post
    It'll still be lighter than 1DS3 setup.
    ...but it's getting too close. And how much of the framing can you see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by henningw View Post
    ...but it's getting too close. And how much of the framing can you see?
    It's pointless to debate on other factors such as framing.. I was speaking strictly in terms of weight.
    As Agnius also mentioned "compact", it is still more compact than most Canon L lenses as well.
    Only thing I want to know now is the price... It seems to be an awesome lens comparable to the Noctilux. My decision would be "Should I get 50 lux asph or this... I imagine the prices will be close.

    A couple of minor things on the SLR magic lens... I wish they get rid of the green ring. I wish they designed the lens to fit 60mm filters instead of 62mm...
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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Just for comparison -

    Weight: Leica M9P = 585g
    SLR Magic .95 lens = 975g
    Total: 1560g

    Canon 1Dsm3 is 1205g + 180g (battery) + 545g for 50mm f1.2
    Total 1930g

    So yeah, Leica "solution" is lighter, but from ergonomic point of view I would take Canon.

    I am glad to see another company that has balls to produce products to challenge the dominance of other companies. I don't know how much innovation - most of modern Chinese goods I have seen are either based on western designs ("Designed in California, made in China", etc.) or copies of them. I presume it is a copy, so let's see how good of a copy it is.

    One thing for sure is I will not be buying one - I have no reason to.

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    If weight is of concern, there is always the f/1.4 route if you don't need f/0.95-f/1.4. Ergonomic is debatable. Some like Leica for its simplicity.

    I like the 0.7m MFD and round aperture blades.

    One thing I want to know is the focus ring travel (longer/shorter than Noctilux).
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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Bokeh at edges is somewhat disturbing/unpleasant on some of the sample pics.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Interesting review of an interesting lens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by esy0345 View Post
    Bokeh at edges is somewhat disturbing/unpleasant on some of the sample pics.
    I am unsure if this one (apparently the Noktor tweaked a bit) and lenses like the Schneider 50/0.95 actually cover the whole 35mm frame. They might illuminate it (albeit poorly with vignetting). There is likely a strong field curvature as well.

    As much as some may mock at this idea, I would like to see a "brick wall" test and a few comparisons instead of showing swirly bokeh from a $6,000 camera. It is very easy to get such images on an m4/3rds cam and cheap, readily available c-mount lenses.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    . .. and it weighs 295 gms more than the noctilux as well
    interesting though.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Very interesting lens and the bokeh seems to be much nicer than on the Voigtländer 50/1.1. Will probably be an excellent portrait lens for m4/3, NEX or Ricoh as well. I fear the price will be high though...

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Huff says it will not be cheap. It will be interesting to see whether they can sell enough to make their investment back. Nokton has a brand reputation and track record. These guys do not, but they seem to be serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95
    No he hasn't. No he doesn't. No he won't. At best, his 'Real World' 'Reviews' are severely limited appraisals to be very wary of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnius View Post
    ..... how much does this "magic" lens weight? 'Nuff said.
    Large, and substantially heavier than Noctilux, three times heavier than a Summilux. I'm not the target for this lens, but I wouldn't expect to get a one-[ish] stop hand-holdability advantage with the 'SLR' at three times the weight of the [substantial enough] Summilux, and giving worse depth of field at wide open.

    I wish them well though.

    ............ Chris

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    A Nocti is worth 1 and a half Leica S2 lenses ...quite a large premium and I am sure worth it, - I miss not having a Nocti - maybe this is the lens I can justify owning... I reckon they could sell as many as they make at sub 2K pricing.

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    My Noct f/1 is my most used lens.

    I am looking forward to trying out this one from SLR Magic.

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    12 elements in 7 groups. That is a record for a 50mm lens. The Canon 50/0.95 of 1961 used 7 elements in 5 groups, the Nikkor-N 5cm F1.1 lens used 9 elements 7 groups. The 50/1.1 Nokton is 7 elements in 5 groups, as is the Noctilux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian S View Post
    12 elements in 7 groups. That is a record for a 50mm lens. The Canon 50/0.95 of 1961 used 7 elements in 5 groups, the Nikkor-N 5cm F1.1 lens used 9 elements 7 groups. The 50/1.1 Nokton is 7 elements in 5 groups, as is the Noctilux.
    Seems like SLR Magic is going Zeiss route - more elements for more corrections. Leica has been trying to do more with less, which I find somehow more pleasing. I do like Zeiss 21mm lens though.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    I am waiting for KR's testing and review.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnius View Post
    Seems like SLR Magic is going Zeiss route - more elements for more corrections. Leica has been trying to do more with less, which I find somehow more pleasing. I do like Zeiss 21mm lens though.
    It isn't Zeiss route but the 1970s Vivitar Series 1 route. The glass they advertise ("Tantalum glass") was the mainstay of Vivitar Series 1 lenses.
    Very thick elements and heavy.

    Zeiss and Leica use rather more sophisticated materials. More expensive.

    What does not make sense is that this complex configuration does not appear to give any better result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    It isn't Zeiss route but the 1970s Vivitar Series 1 route. The glass they advertise ("Tantalum glass") was the mainstay of Vivitar Series 1 lenses.
    Very thick elements and heavy.

    Zeiss and Leica use rather more sophisticated materials. More expensive.

    What does not make sense is that this complex configuration does not appear to give any better result.
    Most likely they have additional elements in lieu of asphericals.

    It does not have to be better. Different and good quality will be enough to make it worthwhile.

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    I spend a lot of time with my Noct f/1 and I've tried most of the other ultra fast 50's that I could afford. I'll be really interested to see what the price is. Quality control will also be a consideration. I suspect that if Steve Huff's samples are any indication and the price is under $3000, these will be in high demand and if the production is semi-handmade ala the Noctilux, supply may never catch up with demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnri View Post
    Most likely they have additional elements in lieu of asphericals.

    It does not have to be better. Different and good quality will be enough to make it worthwhile.

    Best,

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    Yes, it does not have to be better.

    Aspherical elements are in a lens to correct spherical aberrations. None of the f/1 Noctilux lenses or the Canon 50/0.95 have them. Only the f/1.2 and the f/0.95 Noctiluxes.

    With so many elements, even the computation is going to be complicated as the variables are increased many fold.

    It will be interesting to see what the real specifications of the lens are- in addition to the size and weight.

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    Everybody go buy this lens so I can pick up your Noct for cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Yes, it does not have to be better.

    Aspherical elements are in a lens to correct spherical aberrations. None of the f/1 Noctilux lenses or the Canon 50/0.95 have them. Only the f/1.2 and the f/0.95 Noctiluxes.

    With so many elements, even the computation is going to be complicated as the variables are increased many fold.

    It will be interesting to see what the real specifications of the lens are- in addition to the size and weight.
    I am sure the army of women with abacuses is no longer necessary to calculate lenses. Just fire up Zemax, and off you go... Maybe next thing will be about designing your own lens and having it actually made?

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    It is big. It is heavy.

    It is built like a tank.

    Optically, it appears to be excellent.

    It focuses close. It focuses fast.

    It is the real deal.

    An honest to goodness Noctilux competitor.

    It is not for everyone.

    But for those who want a 50mm f/0.95 M mount lens that focuses to 0.7 meters and is a serious player in the Image Quality department this lens fits the bill.

    One caveat, I saw a lot of images that were shot with this lens and I used it myself but I did not make any large prints. That will be my endpoint for final judgement.

    One more caveat, the lenses I saw and used were all pre-production.

    Thanks to Steve Huff and SLR Magic for making it happen.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Some of the shots in the new samples set are simply superb!

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    I was at the workshop. Tried this lens. It's awesome. Definitely holds its own with the .95 noctilux. Though it is heavy and heavier than the noctilux, if you'd be okay with the nocti, you'd be okay with this. And though there's no price yet, people will be saving quite a bit.
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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Even if its 8 grand you are saving 3000 bucks! thats a lux lens right there as a backup

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    I was at the Huff Workshop and used the lens extensively. Here are a few to share:



















    SLR Magic 50 mm f.0.95 Hyperprime....friggin magic!!!
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    Ashwin, wow... awesome shots!

    Now I am starting the think the waiting time for Lux's and Nocti is long enough, what will it be for the SLR Magic!!! If the pricing is right, there will be a massive lineup. I really feel this is the magic of having a M9, that lenses like this become available
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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Ok, I was already impressed and those are lights out! Now for the price...

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    The night shots with OOF highlights are interesting. The odd shapes and the smearing of the highlights are indicative of all the aberrations this lens has to offer.

    I hope "SLR Magic" will also supply some data (MTF, Chromatic aberration corrections, Distortions and the like) regarding the lens.

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    Ashwin, how is the focus ring? Short throw, long throw? Weight? Thanks.
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    Ashwin, how is the focus ring? Short throw, long throw? Weight? Thanks.
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    The focus throw from 0.7 meters to infinity is about the same as the focus throw from 1 meter to infinity on the Noct 0.95.

    In other words, a little less than the 0.95 Noct and a lot less than the f/1 Noct.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Ashwin,

    Lovely shots! How does it compare to Noct 0.95?

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Well those are great shots but I still think price will determine the success. I can't see people spending more than $2500 for it. That's not a knock on quality but most people are going on word of mouth from a relatively unheard of company. Also while the Noctilux is $12K now, the Voigtlander is still a sub $1500 lens (yes I know it's f/1.1 and not f/0.95) and it has to compete on the lower end as well.
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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Seems like a major accomplishment from SLR Magic. Great shots, Ashwin!

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Hi guys,
    Thanks. First, I really enjoyed the lens. The focus throw is about a 90 degree turn of the focus from min focus to infinity. It's a shorter focus throw. The focussing ring stiffness varied from lens to lens, making rotational finger fatigue more dependent on how tight the ring was. I found focussing to be quite easy for a lens of such aperture. It was a delight to use.

    SLR Magic has MTF charts that suggest optimal performance in wide apertures, with a drop off rather steeply thereafter. Everything they were going for was performance wide open, but has Steve showed on his site, the performance at f/4 is startling...some of the best I have ever seen, right up there with the 75 'cron.

    As for cost, the lens costs more than $2500 to make, and the RF coupling is difficult and expensive. There'll be 2 versions (mechanically speaking, maybe more cosmetically), a RF and non-RF coupled version. I suspect that the lens will come in around $3500-$4000, but that's just an educated guess. The truth is that SLR Magic is still researching costs, and how to set the price to compete in the market and also determine their own part in the supply/demand equation.

    Here's one more cropped shot with the lens:
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    Yat, I would say that it compares quite favorably with the Noct. For many, it'd be as good as the much more expensive lens in practical use. I think that the Noct will likely be a better peformer along the entire aperture range, and the SLR magic will have a "fatter bokeh", but otherwise, the lenses would be neck and neck, with the SLR magic being larger (disfavor) but closer focusing (favor) than the Noct f/.95
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    I was at the Huff Workshop and used the lens extensively. Here are a few to share:

    SLR Magic 50 mm f.0.95 Hyperprime....friggin magic!!!
    Looks amazing. But then there is little that is not magic in your hands.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Ashwin, The last picture you show seems to suggest what I said earlier- this may not cover (might illuminate) the whole full frame completely.

    I would like to see the MTF charts and other data for whichever version they would sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Ashwin, The last picture you show seems to suggest what I said earlier- this may not cover (might illuminate) the whole full frame completely.

    I would like to see the MTF charts and other data for whichever version they would sell.
    No image I took with my M9 nor any photo I saw suggests anything less than complete full frame coverage with the SLR Magic 50mm f/0.95 lens.

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Andrew at SLR Magic reported that to compensate for vignetting, the lens elements were manufactured to provider greater-than-full frame coverage, thus allowing vignetting to be effectively beyond the full frame sensor coverage.....that's my understanding. Vignetting is minimal
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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by ohnri View Post
    No image I took with my M9 nor any photo I saw suggests anything less than complete full frame coverage with the SLR Magic 50mm f/0.95 lens.

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    How do you explain these weird OOF renderings in the corner?

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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    The lens has its own aberrations, just as does the Noictilux....D shaped OOF is what Leica does. The SLR magic has "soap bubble" specular highlights in some instances (bright rim around specular highlights). Not sure how that pertains to FF vs non-full frame.
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    Re: Steve Huff tests SLR Magics 50/0.95

    Set the lens to infinity (at f/0.95) and see if how far the sharpness extends from the center- that will show how much coverage is there.

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