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    M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Don't you find those posts about someone wanting reassurance in their decision-making (when actually they have already made up their mind what they are going to do) really annoying? Well, here's another one ...

    I have an M8. I want an M9. Actually I want a nice shiny new M9-P. I dont need it, I want it. And sorry, no, I can't rationalise it although I'll try if you insist.

    I've given up smoking, and believe it or not what I am saving will fund it. So I reckon I can have the camera I want (not need) and just maybe live a few extra years to enjoy it.

    Ok so we got that straight?!

    Now, yesterday I tried a demo M9 with my 50 'lux. Well that was an eye-opener, literally. The field of view, in terms of framelines and final image, was much wider than I'd anticipated. Actually, looks a lot more than the 33%-ish 'crop' caused by the M8.

    So, a couple of questions for those of you who went from M8 to M9 (and preferably haven't shot film; I haven't - much):

    * How quickly did you adjust to the wider field of view
    * Did you change your arsenal of lenses - can't afford to do that as well
    * Did you have to use longer focal length lenses to accommodate the lack of a 'crop'

    As I say, your replies won't make any difference to me whatsoever.....I'm just interested!

    Thanks in advance for participating

    Mike

    ps I have the lengths 25/35/50/75 and 90 covered off

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Mike,
    I was in a similar boat to you, without the deadly habit of course. I had used the L brand for many years, many years ago, but recently got the urge to try a used M8, as they were "almost affordable". I loved every minute of the "experience" and then naturally wanted (not needed) the M9. Selling the M8 and a couple of lenses allowed me to acquire (on this forum too) an M9, and currently it sits with a 50 Summicron. Happy? You betcha. I didn't find the FOV too different actually, and if anything (wearing glasses like I do) I am thinking that if I go any wider the 35 will be as wide as I need/want. Possibly a two lens unit, 35/75, but right now 50 is where I am at.
    So answering your specific question, yes I suppose the 50 became more "useful" in my case, it became the standard I was expecting it to be.
    Let me finish by saying that if the habit you kick is funding a piece of equipment like this you are winning twice, good on ya mate.
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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    I had M8.2 but I switched to M9 after using M8.2 for about 6 months of extensive use. To answer your questions:

    - It took me a bit but not much.. maybe 1-2 days? If you've shot full frame in the past, you would be used to the FOV.
    - I changed a bit... I had 28 cron for the M8.2 but switched to 35mm lux after the switch. Also had 50mm lux but went with 75mm lux... but sold the 75mm has I found it to be a bit awkward.. I find my "favourite" lenses shift a bit after getting the M9. I find that I like 35/50/90 setup suits me better for M9.

    You have most of the focal lengths covered off anyway, so I don't see this being a problem for you. However, you may find that your go to lens setup may change.
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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    HI There Mike
    When did you give up smoking?
    I gave up in Feb 2006 after 35 years - I really haven't had a puff since then (although I do like to stand close to smokers, and our home is a haven for the few of our friends who still poison themselves).
    The real revelation is how much easier it is to do those mountain walks than it used to be . . . and occasionally I go for a run. Of course, this means that, being so much fitter and tougher, I can replace my leica gear with a D4 and megalenses.

    . . . or would you like me to be serious?

    I don't think that it's easy to anticipate the lens changes you might want to make with an M9 - For me the 28 became a favourite, the WATE, 50, 75 and 90 remained so . . . and the 35 remained unloved, strange but true.

    On the other hand, the upgrade from the M8 to M9 was a complete no-brainer - joyous and wonderful.

    and changing my steel grey M9 for a silver M9p was almost as much of a buzz.

    So - I have only one word to say to you:

    ENJOY

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
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    * How quickly did you adjust to the wider field of view
    * Did you change your arsenal of lenses - can't afford to do that as well
    * Did you have to use longer focal length lenses to accommodate the lack of a 'crop'
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    ps I have the lengths 25/35/50/75 and 90 covered off

    I'm comparing going from FourThirds and APS-C to the M9.

    - No time at all.

    - I don't have an arsenal. Turns out my favorite focal length .. 40mm ... works beautifully on both APS-C and 35mm formats. Goes from long-normal to wide-normal. My 50 alternates between being a portrait tele and a normal. My 21 alternates between being a wide and an ultra-wide. The 90 and 135s get a little wider. All is good.

    - I still use mostly the 40.

    The M9 is a different camera, a different format. Enjoy it for what it is and how your lenses work on it.
    Since the pixel pitch of the M8 is the same as the M9, the M9 sensor is just larger, if you want the M8 FoV back, crop and you'll have the M8 back. ;-)

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    I bought an lightly used M8 a little over 2 years ago, bought the M9 new about a year ago. Sold off gear to fully fund the M9. And kept the M8. No trouble at all getting used to the M9, use 80 year old lenses as they were intended: RF coupled, full-frame, and no IR filter required.



    Besides, Argus is not going to come out with a digital full-frame, RF camera. Had to go with the M9.

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    -I did imediatly adapt to the wider FOV
    -Some lenses which focused great on my M8 didnt focus great on my M9. I sold my wate after getting the M9 and added a 135mm lens. However I believe your line up would work very well with an M9, I dont use the 135 much
    -Allready answered in the second point.

    In the end I think you will really like the M9. The M8 is good, the M9 even a little better.

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    -I did imediatly adapt to the wider FOV
    -Some lenses which focused great on my M8 didnt focus great on my M9. I sold my wate after getting the M9 and added a 135mm lens. However I believe your line up would work very well with an M9, I dont use the 135 much
    -Allready answered in the second point.

    In the end I think you will really like the M9. The M8 is good, the M9 even a little better.
    Hi Tom
    do you want to sell your 135?

    I think we're agreed that the M9 is the reference to which we both return (with relief!).

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Tom
    do you want to sell your 135?

    I think we're agreed that the M9 is the reference to which we both return (with relief!).
    Hi Jono,
    yes, M9 works great for me.
    I have thought about selling some of my M-glass for the only reason that less gear would be e relief, but over the years my choices change. One year I want a more dynamic look and used the 24 a lot, right now I do a lot with 50mm, sometimes one wants to use faster glass, and sometimes a compact set.
    So it will all stay. I have used the M-system longer than anything else in my "gear-collection".

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Hi Jono,
    yes, M9 works great for me.
    I have thought about selling some of my M-glass for the only reason that less gear would be e relief, but over the years my choices change. One year I want a more dynamic look and used the 24 a lot, right now I do a lot with 50mm, sometimes one wants to use faster glass, and sometimes a compact set.
    So it will all stay. I have used the M-system longer than anything else in my "gear-collection".
    I was only joshing. Selling M glass is always a mistake (unless it's to buy something similar). I'll get a 135 one day, but not right now!

    all the best

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I was only joshing. Selling M glass is always a mistake (unless it's to buy something similar). I'll get a 135 one day, but not right now!

    all the best
    we can exchange my 135 and 24 Summilux for your Noctilux - you would get 2 focal length for one- and who needs f0.95 anyways?

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    You guys are the best! Thanks for playing along....

    Gary, the 50 frame lines on the M9 looked lovely, and I can see that 35 might be as wide as I'd ever need.

    Scott - Completely agree that my go to set up might change. I like to shoot on the street, but i'm not comfortable getting to close, so the 35/50 works quite well for me with M8. I can see that I might get more use from 50/75 in future

    Jono - thanks for joining in! All this is your fault, by the way. Seeing your grey M9 on the buy/sell list just got me thinking Don't feel bad....

    Godfrey - thanks. I've been following your experiences with your new M9 with interest!

    Brian, that's very nice. Chrome for me I think, and maybe a brown case

    Tom - good to know. I moved from 4/3rds, micro 4/3rds to M8. I guess this is just another step up that I'll get used to.

    Mike

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    we can exchange my 135 and 24 Summilux for your Noctilux - you would get 2 focal length for one- and who needs f0.95 anyways?
    Hmmm- but I already have a 24 'lux, and 2 would really be over the top!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
    Jono - thanks for joining in! All this is your fault, by the way. Seeing your grey M9 on the buy/sell list just got me thinking Don't feel bad....
    Well, I'm not sorry - I'm sure you'll be very happy. I spent a fortune with Luigi on lovely half cases . . . .. and then got rid of them - they irritated my royally, and cost nearly as much as a replacement base plate anyway!
    . . added to which the only time I've had a real accident it was the top plate which got biffed anyway!

    So I won't feel bad

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    ... I spent a fortune with Luigi on lovely half cases . . . .. and then got rid of them - they irritated my royally, and cost nearly as much as a replacement base plate anyway! ...
    interesting that you didn't like them. i bought a Luigi half-case ... the new "inside out" leather finish type ... and find it feels great in the hand. I had the rear door made completely removable. It does make getting to the card a little more of a PITA but that was expected. I didn't buy it for "protection" but for feel and grip. I use an A&A half case on the M4-2 which convinced me I needed a similar case on the M9.

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    interesting that you didn't like them. i bought a Luigi half-case ... the new "inside out" leather finish type ... and find it feels great in the hand. I had the rear door made completely removable. It does make getting to the card a little more of a PITA but that was expected. I didn't buy it for "protection" but for feel and grip. I use an A&A half case on the M4-2 which convinced me I needed a similar case on the M9.
    Naaah - the M9 is too fat anyway (the M6 was perfect). Making it fatter, spending lots of money, and not being able to get to the battery is (I think) like wearing leather underwear; it's uncomfortable, impractical and impresses nobody.

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Naaah - the M9 is too fat anyway (the M6 was perfect). Making it fatter, spending lots of money, and not being able to get to the battery is (I think) like wearing leather underwear; it's uncomfortable, impractical and impresses nobody.
    LOL! But oh, it feels so nice... :-)

    I just find the body a little too slick. With the leather it is nicely grippable and fits my hands well. I do have large hands, an E-1 is a near perfect grip as delivered, so the M9's thickness isn't a problem.

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Still trying to work out how we got onto the subject of leather underwear....

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
    Still trying to work out how we got onto the subject of leather underwear....

    Mike
    I think it was Godfrey

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    LOL! But oh, it feels so nice... :-)
    Leather underwear?

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I think it was Godfrey
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    Leather underwear?
    It was you, Jono. =8^0

    Must be your proximity to the lederhosen universe. ;-)
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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Hey Mike, I shoot the M8 along with an M3 and CL. My go-to lens on the M8 is the 35 Lux, and--unless I need wide angle or am doing some sort of portraiture--a 50mm is glued to the M3. I usually use the 35mm lens on the CL if I want to work wider, and may also use a 21mm on the M8 for the same purpose.

    So I'm one of the ones who changes lenses with the sensor size--but your mileage may vary on that. Worst case scenario, you do some cropping from time to time--the M9 has the same pixel density as the M8, so you won't be losing anything in terms of resolution.

    Your 25/35/50/75/90 kit is pretty versatile. I don't think you'll have too much trouble adapting.

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    First off, congrats on the smoking! I feel like half of my family partakes in that and lets the other half worry about them.

    As far as the M9 goes, here is my take. You have the lenses down. You will have no problems there. I went from M8's to a M9 and didn't fully commit the the M9 because I freaked myself out because of the money I spent on a camera body. During that time period, I sold a few leica lenses as well! Stupid!

    For some reason, I bought a canon system shortly after that for some stuff I had coming up and to be honest, I missed my leica gear everyday. I seriously thought about it everyday. Told myself I didn't need it yada yada....Well, I have a M8/M3 again along with 35/50 Summicron's. My void is filled.

    As far as going from the M8 to the M9, my 35 cron asph came alive and the 50 cron wasn't so much a tele anymore. Was it worth the thousands to get that?

    Right now I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to keep the M8 or sell off all the canon stuff, pick up some R glass or pick up another M9. Essentially, I'm in your boat as well. It is tough.

    On the bright side, you are much much healthier! BRAVO!!!

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    thanks jp and Shaun. Yes, I can see the lenses changing with the bigger sensor but I got used to the move from 4/3rds so hopefully not too much heartache.

    I really hope I can keep my M8. It hasn't missed a beat in the time I've had it, and the 'crop' factor may come in handy in future

    I'm thinking I might change the Zeiss 25 for a 28 Elmarit, but have pretty much decided to do nothing on the lens front until I can see for myself how they behave on the M9.

    Mike

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Mike--

    Kept my M8u, got the M9 and use them together. Whereas before it was M8 w/ 28mm, now I use the M9 w/ 35mm. Kept all my lenses, and when shooting with two bodies, will use a C-V 15mm [20mm equivalent] or 75mm on the M8, with the 35 on the M9. When out with one body, M9 + 35 only, or 35 + 75. I find I don't use my 50 Summicron much at all on either body.

    If I had to be without all other gear, and had to keep one body and lens, it would be the M9 w/ 35 mm.

    As Jono said, ENJOY [guess I'm a little less expansive than him].

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by quadtones View Post

    As Jono said, ENJOY [guess I'm a little less expansive than him].
    Hey! I'm cheap as chips!

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    I said EXPANSIVE (actually only referring to typeface), but probably both could apply. Trying to keep the kit small. Never know when I'll have a GAS attack, 'though.

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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    Quote Originally Posted by quadtones View Post
    I said EXPANSIVE (actually only referring to typeface), but probably both could apply. Trying to keep the kit small. Never know when I'll have a GAS attack, 'though.
    LOL - seems like I'm as stupid as chips as well!
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    Re: M8 to M9 :rolleyes:

    The M9 will actually crop almost exactly to the same FOV and number of pixels as the M8.

    So, every M9 has a little M8 inside it.

    Upgrading is such a big leap forward that you will be forever happy.

    BTW, you can recover the M8 view with a 1.4x eyepiece magnifier at the cost of a bit of contrast.

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