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    Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    HI There
    This is an experiment - I have permission to release one or two DNG files - of course, they are fundamentally hamstrung by being my photographs, but I can't do anything about that!

    There is also a potential problem with dropbox limits - I do pay for it, so there is a larger daily limit, but please don't download the file over and over again.

    If this is a success, then I'll be able to make other files available. I'm doing it through my website so that my son can amuse himself with the metrics!

    You can play with the file, and then you can post your conversion on this thread.

    Enjoy!

    Click on the Downloads link on the top right

    This is my take - I'm sure you can do better, my lightroom skills are still light!.


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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    woohoo... I'll be happy to pay for my share of the bandwidth cost! A question... I was able to bring up the DNG into my Lightroom 3.. I thought a new format means I might need update/upgrade the software to read it?
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    Hi David
    Fine if you can use it in Lightroom 3 . . . it will, at least, be quicker!
    I don't think it's about cost, I think there's a 200gb a day limit, that's all.
    I'll look forwards to seeing your take on the file!
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    Thanks!

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    This will be hours of fun... I'm hesitant to share my result, knowing me, I'd probably just pick a preset and be done I can't get over how sharp the file feel at 100%. Pixel-envy! If you don't mind, I'm sure we'll be able to setup some mirror among ourselves so everyone will get a copy to play with. Thanks!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosermage View Post
    This will be hours of fun... I'm hesitant to share my result, knowing me, I'd probably just pick a preset and be done I can't get over how sharp the file feel at 100%. Pixel-envy! If you don't mind, I'm sure we'll be able to setup some mirror among ourselves so everyone will get a copy to play with. Thanks!!!
    Good!
    the download should be okay as long as nobody is silly (I think it's 200gb a day - you work out how many downloads that is!).

    The plan is to put up another file in a day or so and remove the link to this one.
    I can set up a mirror too, but if it's more than 200gb a day I don't think my guy would be that pleased!

    all the best

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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    Here's my modest attempt. As others have mentioned, there is very nice detail. The files seem to have the same amount of pliability that I've experienced with the M9 and the S2. That really allows the individual to shape the file as they'd like. I wanted to see if I could add a little bit more dimensionality. Not as subtle as Jono's version (and probably too much contrast) but it demonstrates that files can be pushed around as the individual wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    Here's my modest attempt. As others have mentioned, there is very nice detail. The files seem to have the same amount of pliability that I've experienced with the M9 and the S2. That really allows the individual to shape the file as they'd like. I wanted to see if I could add a little bit more dimensionality. Not as subtle as Jono's version (and probably too much contrast) but it demonstrates that files can be pushed around as the individual wishes.

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    Moi? subtle?
    that's a nice take though - I'm off to bed now - hope you guys have fun whilst I'm snoozing. Don't be outdone by LUF!!!

    all the best

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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    One version I did when doing the set for the thread on processing techniques ...

    Can't wait to see other folk's take on it

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    My take # 1...This file has SOOOO much latitude for editing...fantastic...

    Thanks for sharing this with us, Jono!



    take 2 with a bit more aggressive editing....

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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    Here's one from me...

    The DNG is remarkably sharp... I have a full res crop I'll put up so you can see.

    In the spirit of the M-M, I used Nik SFX2 on it for some adjustments...







    One thing you will notice, the lack of an AA filter has actually produced a TOO SHARP effect in the beard. It aliases somewhat. It will take some getting used to the levels of sharpening to keep that from getting out of hand.

    The small amount of luminance noise was easily blown back by LR3. If I turned off the film processing in SFXP2, the background could be as smooth as desired with noise adjustments.

    Lovely...

    I haven been waiting for the M10 to come out to consider a second camera to go along with the M9, but the M-M may be the ideal camera (I shoot for B&W almost all the time).


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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    First try:

    Attachment 58827

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    I like yours Chris. Very similar to mine. I guess that's why

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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    Looks like fun! If you don't mind me join in... here's my take, still preferring to have a little bit of glow

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    Jono, many thanks! Great shot, and thank you for sharing The file is amazing and very workable, and heaps of latitude. Thanks to your thread, I have already my name down for the M-M in Australia

    These are my interpretations



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    Here is mine:
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    It's wonderful how varied the processing results on this one photograph are!

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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    . . . . . thanks Jono for sharing the file!


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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    Here are a few run through Nik Silver Efex Pro-II that comes with the M Monochrom.

    Starting with a base adjusted in LR4 followed by various selections in Nik ... what a huge range of creative selections to work with

    (click on thumbs for larger view ... once you view each one once, you can then rapid click on "next" to go through them instantly and see the differences).

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    This is great....thanks ever so much Jono! Does this mean we now have official permission to take the entire day off to play...um...I mean work with this file? LOL!

    Here are two quick ones from me What I noticed is in CS5, Silver EFX says "not available" when I click to open program with these DNG's or when they are subsequently converted to jpegs. Does anyone have any idea why? Maybe because Silver EFX is only available at this point with LR4? How about CS6?

    Marc, of the six conversions you posted above, my favorite is #5. I personally find it's quite an effective look for the subject matter. Obviously there is no right or wrong.....similar to when choosing film, developer and paper type. Definitely going to have fun! Are we all going to post our pre and post "glass of wine" versions later on? ( Well OK, you can substitute beer if you'd like)

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    Jono, if you need someplace to host - I'd be more than happy to do that for you.

    Thank you for making the DNG available!

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    I donwloaded the file only to find out that Aperture 3 still does not support the file format. Sorry about wasting bandwidth.

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    Jono thanks for sharing!!

    Agree with what others said, the file has lots of latitude for manipulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    What I noticed is in CS5, Silver EFX says "not available" when I click to open program with these DNG's or when they are subsequently converted to jpegs. Does anyone have any idea why? Maybe because Silver EFX is only available at this point with LR4? How about CS6?
    Silver Efex needs an RGB Color file to work, but the DNG converts to a Grayscale file. Just convert the jpeg file from Grayscale to RGB Color, then Silver Efex will open it. In Photoshop, Image > Mode > RGB Color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emr View Post
    I donwloaded the file only to find out that Aperture 3 still does not support the file format. Sorry about wasting bandwidth.
    HI There
    For once, it's understandable that apple are behind the curve - this is a new type of DNG, on the basis that the demosaicing isn't required. Hopefully there will be support very soon.

    You will have noticed that all the versions have a little burned out bit where burning in the face has 'leaked' from the nose . . . .because lightroom doesn't have an edge detect in it's brushes.

    I recommend that you download the trial version of LR4 to play with - it'll be instructive, and I'm quite sure it'll prove to you how much nice Aperture is.

    I've been using Lightroom continuously for 5 months now . . . . . and I can't wait to get back to Aperture again!

    all the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zlatko Batistich View Post
    Silver Efex needs an RGB Color file to work, but the DNG converts to a Grayscale file. Just convert the jpeg file from Grayscale to RGB Color, then Silver Efex will open it. In Photoshop, Image > Mode > RGB Color.
    Thanks very much Zlatko. Makes perfect sense..now why didn't I think of that (slapping the side of my head)!

    I wonder if the version of Silver EFX thats bundled with the M9M is newly written so that it opens Grayscale files? Does anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Marc, of the six conversions you posted above, my favorite is #5. I personally find it's quite an effective look for the subject matter.
    I feel the same!
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    Jono, thank you. Everyone else, thanks for showing what a creative bunch you are. I really need to get back to work, but this MM..................

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    Jono, is there any chance you might be able to post for download a near identical pair of DNG images...one taken with the M9 as a color image and one taken by the M9M? This way we can analyze both images and evaluate the similarities and differences based on our own individual post processing techniques and preferences? Thanks!

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    Marc,
    Number 5 looks like it was taken on a wet plate! I like it.

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    Wow, that file is stunning... thanks for the play Jono - just using Lightzone here to adjust overall tonality, no localised edits.



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    Hello All,

    Thought you might like to see this.

    It's a copy of an old postcard which I bought in an antiquarian bookshop in Kensington, London in the mid 1970s.

    So, this pic is probably approaching 40 years old, and not a funny Chinese hat in sight!

    Nice picture Jono and lovely looking camera..up to 10,000 ASA..seems almost like cheating.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    Hello All,

    Thought you might like to see this.

    It's a copy of an old postcard which I bought in an antiquarian bookshop in Kensington, London in the mid 1970s.

    So, this pic is probably approaching 40 years old, and not a funny Chinese hat in sight!

    Nice picture Jono and lovely looking camera..up to 10,000 ASA..seems almost like cheating.

    Cheers,

    Gandolfi.
    Hi Gandolfi
    That's wonderful . . . . .
    We found this guy on a lonely beach, but as you imply, the funny hat is a tourist issue - he absolutely had to be paid, and I have a faint suspicion I've seen his picture in the national geographic!

    However, we did go cormorant fishing later on an a village called Xingping (pretty sure it's where you postcard was taken). just the three of us, two of the rafts in the postcard tied together, and a serious and silent young man with a leather jacket and a tea shirt

    Here he is tying thread around the cormorants neck:



    He had 11 cormorants on one of those rafts. Two of them had other things in mind:



    One of this couple kept bringing back sticks instead of fish (nesting?)

    It was raining and dark, and I'll never forget it!

    all the best


    Truth is, I suspect that it was already a tourist issue in the 1970s!

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    "He had 11 cormorants on one of those rafts. Two of them had other things in mind"

    Shags??
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    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    "He had 11 cormorants on one of those rafts. Two of them had other things in mind"

    Shags??

    I knew not what I said

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    ho ho Jono, you did rather set it up for me!

    Cheers,

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    Don't you love it when someone acts as a straight man and feeds you a good line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrism View Post
    Don't you love it when someone acts as a straight man and feeds you a good line?

    Chris
    Chris - I do it all the time - it's a kind of disease (setting myself up that is).
    Oh well -

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    My take:


    jslack_cormorants-web by Mike Tuomey, on Flickr

    Thanks Jono - this is too fun! I'd be happy to send some $$ via paypal to defray the cost.
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    The file is amazing, thanks for sharing Jono, here's my take:

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    Jono, thank you for sharing your DNGs. Is it possible to compress these DNG files, so they only occupy about 20 megs or so? That way, it will save you some overhead now and in the future, for your Dropbox account.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    There is also a potential problem with dropbox limits - I do pay for it, so there is a larger daily limit, but please don't download the file over and over again.

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    "Like, like, like...."

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    Using gzip, which is lossless, the file compresses to about 28 meg.

    Quote Originally Posted by sirimiri View Post
    Jono, thank you for sharing your DNGs. Is it possible to compress these DNG files, so they only occupy about 20 megs or so? That way, it will save you some overhead now and in the future, for your Dropbox account.

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    ..just my 2 yuan..

    with silver efex pro.
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    I'm really tempted to hand color a version, but the idea is funnier than the reality.

    Beautiful examples, everyone!

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    Re: Fun with MM DNG files . . . Cormorant Fisherman

    Thanks Jono for sharing these MM image files with us. Thought I would give it a try (mostly SEP2 filters etc). I also tried a square crop......

    Gary


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    I want to try all of the dngs that you provided, Jono. My take on the Cormorant Fisherman.
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