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    NEW NOCTILUX-M

    Any dealers or anyone got to use a promotional version of this lens yet? If so what do you think?
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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    a friend of mine sent me a couple of raw files of pictures that he took at photokina. i clearly was not impressed. the old nokti signature is way more pleasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    a friend of mine sent me a couple of raw files of pictures that he took at photokina. i clearly was not impressed. the old nokti signature is way more pleasing.
    Are you sure it was a full production version? I was at Photoplus only a couple of weeks ago, and while I was able to look at one, the rep didn't even want me putting it on a camera body because he said it was basically a mock-up of the lens and would not be representative of a production version optically, so there would be no point in taking samples.

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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    I can't imagine they would put out a 11k lens and it not have the same signature that everyone loves but with less focusing issues......
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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    The new Noctilux has the same signature and floating elements as the 50 Lux ASPH. Just like the 75AA. The two have very different signatures.

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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    Quote Originally Posted by mwalker View Post
    I can't imagine they would put out a 11k lens and it not have the same signature that everyone loves but with less focusing issues......
    I'm not sure how the new one would have less "focusing issues". It's the sliver of DOF that's the issue. If your rengefinder isn't spot on it'll show up with a Nocti immediately. Same issue with the 75/1.4 and 90AA to a slightly lesser degree.

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    While its easier to see with shallow depth of field ....the faster lenses are more difficult to get right. When I was fighting this thru with Leica NJ last year , we sent back my 50 summilux and the noctilux 4 times each. They consistently backfocused.

    To eliminate the variable of my M8 s which were all calibrated in NJ(while I watched ), they always tested the lenses with both their test equipment and with the STANDARD M8(leica NJ).

    The last two times NJ tested the lenses and then sent them back to Solms. They could tell from the collimator(sorry I am sure this is misspelled)....that the lenses would probably back focus. The rangefinder/focus tests confirmed this.

    To their credit they fought this through and the Noctilux is perfect ( now I know its really me when I miss..LOL). The summilux was replaced.

    I drew the following conclusions:

    (1) the fast lenses are much more difficult to calibrate and this goes beyond the inherent shallow DOF.

    (2) the specifications for standard performance were based on film and are not tight enough for use on the M8. In spec doesn t mean it will produce acceptable results.

    (3)it is much easier to adjust the rangefinder to bring your results into line than the lenses. But the more lenses you use the more likely some will be off after adjustment.

    (4) Most users really don t know how well their lenses focus on their M8s. Accurate enough is in the eye of the photographer .

    Surely Leica must recognize this (they have the history of repairs) and hopefully the new fast lenses will be easier to get right the first time.

    None of this alters the need to have a calibrated rangefinder as a starting point or the fact that at f1.0 its darn hard to get the exact focus point you may want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    While its easier to see with shallow depth of field ....the faster lenses are more difficult to get right. When I was fighting this thru with Leica NJ last year , we sent back my 50 summilux and the noctilux 4 times each. They consistently backfocused.

    To eliminate the variable of my M8 s which were all calibrated in NJ(while I watched ), they always tested the lenses with both their test equipment and with the STANDARD M8(leica NJ).

    The last two times NJ tested the lenses and then sent them back to Solms. They could tell from the collimator(sorry I am sure this is misspelled)....that the lenses would probably back focus. The rangefinder/focus tests confirmed this.

    To their credit they fought this through and the Noctilux is perfect ( now I know its really me when I miss..LOL). The summilux was replaced.

    I drew the following conclusions:

    (1) the fast lenses are much more difficult to calibrate and this goes beyond the inherent shallow DOF.

    (2) the specifications for standard performance were based on film and are not tight enough for use on the M8. In spec doesn t mean it will produce acceptable results.

    (3)it is much easier to adjust the rangefinder to bring your results into line than the lenses. But the more lenses you use the more likely some will be off after adjustment.

    (4) Most users really don t know how well their lenses focus on their M8s. Accurate enough is in the eye of the photographer .

    Surely Leica must recognize this (they have the history of repairs) and hopefully the new fast lenses will be easier to get right the first time.

    None of this alters the need to have a calibrated rangefinder as a starting point or the fact that at f1.0 its darn hard to get the exact focus point you may want.
    Exactly my experiences.

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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    Mine too -- I don't use my 35/1.4 ASPH or 75/1.4 summilux on the M8 anymore because they just cannot focus as reliably on it. They are my favorite lenses for film, but on the M8, the 28/2, 50/1.4 ASPH and 75mm summicron all focus properly at every aperture, which makes them far more useful.
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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    I can get my 35 1.4 to work but I had to send it to DAG first to be calibrated with the M8.
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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    Quote Originally Posted by mwalker View Post
    I can get my 35 1.4 to work but I had to send it to DAG first to be calibrated with the M8.
    After a long spa vacation in Germany my 35/1.4 ASPH also now works on my M8 just fine ... as does the 50/1.4ASPH after 3 trips back to der fatherland.

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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    Does it shift focus though? Mine is pretty much on at f/1.4, but it shifts around a bit at different apertures. The 75/1.4 had the same problem. The 28/2, 50/1.4 and 75/2 don't do this...
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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    Well, this thread helps explain why it takes DAG 3 months to work on a film camera now.

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    When has DAG ever NOT been busy though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    After a long spa vacation in Germany my 35/1.4 ASPH also now works on my M8 just fine ... as does the 50/1.4ASPH after 3 trips back to der fatherland.
    Pray tell. I'm about to give up on mine (35 Lux Asph) with the M8 (won't sell as I use it on M7). So Solms can deal with the focus shift?

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    I have no idea what's going on or how it happened. But I do not seem to experience the issue. Not that it was bad to begin with. It was my 50/1.4 that took 3 trips to get right.

    I wonder if it's because I tend to set the f/stop first and then focus? I rarely if ever change f stop after focussing.

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    When has DAG ever NOT been busy though?
    Well there's normal "busy" and then there's "hundreds-of-M8-owners-send-DAG-their-camera-and-entire-lens-collection" busy.

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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Mine too -- I don't use my 35/1.4 ASPH or 75/1.4 summilux on the M8 anymore because they just cannot focus as reliably on it. They are my favorite lenses for film, but on the M8, the 28/2, 50/1.4 ASPH and 75mm summicron all focus properly at every aperture, which makes them far more useful.
    I sold my 35/1.4 Asp - focus was well within spec but I found it too fussy to use. My 75 'lux focuses properly after a long trip to DAG. My 50 Lux ASP had a very small amount of backfocus - I've sent it to Leica for six-bit coding and a tuneup.

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    Yes, originally the 35/1.4 and 75/1.4 were perfect (at least I never noticed them not working correctly), but then the M8 went in to fix a problem, and when it came back, neither worked. But the 75/2, 50/1.4 ASPH and 28/2 were completely spot on. Rather than waste more time in service, I just decided to use those and save the other two for film. The 28 and 50 correspond to the 35 and 75 that I like on film anyway, so it works perfectly.
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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    Well there's normal "busy" and then there's "hundreds-of-M8-owners-send-DAG-their-camera-and-entire-lens-collection" busy.
    Kevin, DAG turned around my .2 camera a 35 LUX, 50 LUX, 28 cron, and a canon .95 in a week and a half. Don at DAG says he try's to turn around M cameras in a week.
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    Re: NEW NOCTILUX-M

    I had the same experience as Mike when I sent my M8 & Noctilux to DAG. About a week and a half plus Fedex travel time back in May.

    My Noctilux & M8 worked perfectly aftwerwards. Prior to adjustment the Noctilux was out by a mile - I was convinced that whoever set it up must have left their glasses at home that day. Awful - and this was a NEW lens.

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