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    LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Which do you think has better image quality? I have read that the OMD has faster auto focus but which one is the better in IQ?

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    Which do you think has better image quality? I have read that the OMD has faster auto focus but which one is the better in IQ?
    Totally different kinds of cameras. Asking which has the better image quality isn't useful as the look produced by the Olympus will depend to a great extent on what lens you fit to it. My guess is that it would take a master pixel peeper to discuss the technical image quality differences if you could find a lens with the same qualities, in an equivalent focal length, for the Olympus to compare to the Leica X2's 24mm.

    The X2 is all about simplicity. The E-M5 is all about being a DSLR replacement, a system camera. Trying to analyze which is "better" is like asking "which do I like better, apples or oranges?" Only you can answer that.

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    The E-M5 will always be able to make better use of a telephoto lens than the X2, and it can also beat it with wide angle lenses, and if you want to take it out on a wet day it will probably take much better photographs than an X2 that has been left at home. But I don't have an X2 to directly compare it with. But I do have an M9, and the files from the E-M5 can happily live alongside the best from an M9, not identical, but nothing to feel let down by.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    The one you will use more will have better image quality. I expect the OMD will have better noise at high ISOs. There is the 3:2 and 4:3 format difference. Interchangeable or not changeable lenses. These are really not the same camera to make direct comparisons. BTW, the OMD has two f/0.95 manual focus lenses that can be used on it.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    I actually don't think the OMD will have better noise at high ISO. If Leica is using the Sony 16mp sensor, it is a very good sensor indeed.

    For the OMD you don't get a great 35mm (FOV) lens and the X2 is fixed there. So decide what your favorite focal length is and then figure out the lens you will be using.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    HI There
    I haven't actually done a comparison of the noise, but I've been using both cameras quite a lot.
    Godfrey has it really - they're for different purposes. If you're wedded to 35mm equivalent, then I'd say that the X2 has better IQ than the OMD with the 17mm - but if you aren't, then of course there is a huge amount more flexibility with the OMD.

    Still, your question was about IQ. Given a good lens on the OMD I really don't think there's much in it - very close - the X2 is probably better at high ISO, but it's marginal, on the other hand I'd say that the OMD with the 25 f1.4 PL lens just about pips the X2.

    The AF is perfectly good on both cameras (tracking focus isn't good on either of them). Both cameras take pictures when you press the button, and both will normally be properly exposed and in focus.

    Basically, I'd say that IQ was close enough (given a good lens on the OMD) that you should be looking at other features to be making your decision.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    thanks everyone for your inputs
    i understand they are very different cameras and i would probably just use a fixed 35mm equivalent lens on the OMD..the one Mr Huff recommends..
    Just trying to figure out the IQ on both...the pics i have seen from the OMD don't seem to have that 3d pop which maybe the X2 has. Again i'm not sure as i have not used either but ...

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    thanks everyone for your inputs
    i understand they are very different cameras and i would probably just use a fixed 35mm equivalent lens on the OMD..the one Mr Huff recommends..
    Just trying to figure out the IQ on both...the pics i have seen from the OMD don't seem to have that 3d pop which maybe the X2 has. Again i'm not sure as i have not used either but ...
    There are three native-mount lenses that are close to a 35mm equivalent for Micro-FourThirds format:

    - Olympus M.Zuiko 17mm f/2.8
    - Panasonic Lumix G 20mm f/1.7
    - Voigtländer Nokton 17mm f/0.95

    I didn't see any specific one that Steve Huff recommended. The Panasonic and Olympus choices are full featured, native AF capable lenses. The Panasonic has a better reputation than the Olympus, although both are good quality.

    The Voigtländer 17mm is a new offering, an 'ultra' speed lens, much larger, heavier and more expensive than the other two. It is manual focus only and manually operated aperture, kind of like a built for the mount lens adapted from other cameras. Likely very fine quality, both build and imaging, but since I haven't even seen a sample photo yet, never mind an example of the lens, anything is speculative.

    There's one thing for sure, though: an E-M5 fitted with any of these lenses is going to be a very different camera to use than the X2.

    As I wrote on another forum, in another similar "which is better" thread:

    It is a truth that queries like this don't really go anywhere. Most of today's cameras, and these two in particular, are at a quality level that for most purposes makes the comparison of resolution, dynamic range, etc irrelevant to the final quality of the image. ... The cameras work differently, and produce different results as a part of that. Technical measurements, delightful exercises that they might be, do not answer the question of which camera fulfills your needs as the base-line qualities for both of these cameras are so good that the technical measurements address primarily the issues at the far edges of the envelope.

    What makes a particular camera at this level more suitable for a particular endeavor has to do with the camera's dynamics in use and how I want to use the camera. That is a much larger, more complex topic than "what measure do these cameras fulfill?"
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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    There is also the Sigma 19mm which is very good. It does AF on m4/3 bodies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    There are three native-mount lenses that are close to a 35mm equivalent for Micro-FourThirds format:

    - Olympus M.Zuiko 17mm f/2.8
    - Panasonic Lumix G 20mm f/1.7
    - Voigtländer Nokton 17mm f/0.95

    I didn't see any specific one that Steve Huff recommended. The Panasonic and Olympus choices are full featured, native AF capable lenses. The Panasonic has a better reputation than the Olympus, although both are good quality.

    The Voigtländer 17mm is a new offering, an 'ultra' speed lens, much larger, heavier and more expensive than the other two. It is manual focus only and manually operated aperture, kind of like a built for the mount lens adapted from other cameras. Likely very fine quality, both build and imaging, but since I haven't even seen a sample photo yet, never mind an example of the lens, anything is speculative.

    There's one thing for sure, though: an E-M5 fitted with any of these lenses is going to be a very different camera to use than the X2.

    As I wrote on another forum, in another similar "which is better" thread:

    It is a truth that queries like this don't really go anywhere. Most of today's cameras, and these two in particular, are at a quality level that for most purposes makes the comparison of resolution, dynamic range, etc irrelevant to the final quality of the image. ... The cameras work differently, and produce different results as a part of that. Technical measurements, delightful exercises that they might be, do not answer the question of which camera fulfills your needs as the base-line qualities for both of these cameras are so good that the technical measurements address primarily the issues at the far edges of the envelope.

    What makes a particular camera at this level more suitable for a particular endeavor has to do with the camera's dynamics in use and how I want to use the camera. That is a much larger, more complex topic than "what measure do these cameras fulfill?"

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    thanks everyone for your inputs
    i understand they are very different cameras and i would probably just use a fixed 35mm equivalent lens on the OMD..the one Mr Huff recommends..
    Just trying to figure out the IQ on both...the pics i have seen from the OMD don't seem to have that 3d pop which maybe the X2 has. Again i'm not sure as i have not used either but ...
    The 35mm equivalent lens Steve Huff liked was the CV 17/0.95. As Godfrey suggested, an OM-D with the manual focus, large and heavy CV 17/0.95 is going to be a very different animal than an X2 with its integrated 24mm f/2.8 lens. I suspect you'd get more of the "3d pop" with the OM-D and CV lens since what most people mean by 3d pop is a combination of sharpness (both lenses should be sharp), microcontrast, sensor (both have an AA filter) and shallow DOF (CV lens entrance pupil is greater than 2X larger than that of the Leica lens). However, you lose autofocus and gain quite a bit of size/weight with the OM-D combo.

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    As has been said previously, two different systems.

    I am looking for a simple camera. Not a system camera. X2, I am looking at seriously.

    In the meantime I have been looking at some images from the X1. X2, very possible..for me.

    But the again, it is the photog. No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    The 35mm equivalent lens Steve Huff liked was the CV 17/0.95. As Godfrey suggested, an OM-D with the manual focus, large and heavy CV 17/0.95 is going to be a very different animal than an X2 with its integrated 24mm f/2.8 lens. I suspect you'd get more of the "3d pop" with the OM-D and CV lens since what most people mean by 3d pop is a combination of sharpness (both lenses should be sharp), microcontrast, sensor (both have an AA filter) and shallow DOF (CV lens entrance pupil is greater than 2X larger than that of the Leica lens). However, you lose autofocus and gain quite a bit of size/weight with the OM-D combo.
    how does this lens compare to the sigma that Terry just suggested?

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Actually must back most of what has been said here.

    Using the OMD now for almost a month and being VERY critical about usability and resulting IQ I must say the OMD is such a big step ahead of the former m43 cameras - both from Olympus and Panasonic - that it really opens a complete new playing (working) field for me.

    It is (at least for me and I am very critical here) a real replacement of a DSLR with mirror, so it is much smaller, lighter and easily fast compared to many DSLRs available today. AF is superb and IQ is just great, even up to ISO 10000 which I used accidentally once, but the results are just stunning.

    Especially if you combine with great lenses (the most capable IMHO the Olympus 12 and 45 and Leica 1.4/25) I am pretty sure you will not see any differences to the X2, but instead have a much higher flexibility plus you can get all of this for the price of the X2 alone (almost). And if you desire so, you can expand the system very well especially into the Tele range.

    So for me the decision would be pretty clear, except I want a really minimalistic Leica approach - only then the X2 would appeal for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    There is also the Sigma 19mm which is very good. It does AF on m4/3 bodies.
    That must be relatively recent, or my in-built disgust with Sigma products quality control blinds me to their existence. ];-)

    Seriously, I dimly recall that Sigma was offering some stuff for mFT now, but I've never even looked at the announcements. If it's good quality, that's a plus.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    As has been said previously, two different systems.

    I am looking for a simple camera. Not a system camera. X2, I am looking at seriously.

    In the meantime I have been looking at some images from the X1. X2, very possible..for me.

    But the again, it is the photog. No?

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    I'm with you. I have plenty of system cameras, too many really, and most of what I shoot nowadays is either the GXR-M or the M9 with one lens. There are times when I feel a simple camera with a single good lens, light and compact, is all I really want to work with. The X2 is right in line for that: the X1 was actually what I had been thinking of when the Fuji X100 came up, I didn't like it, and I went to the GXR instead.

    Much as I like the GXR (I still do, it's a delightful camera that makes great photos) and am in love with the M9 (it's brilliant), that notion of a simple to use, one lens camera remains in my thoughts. The X2 fits the fantasy perfectly.

    Maybe if I get off my duff and sell off some of the accreted excess stuff I will buy one before the end of the year.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    I recommend to play with both in a store.
    I only have the x1 (not x2) and have used several m4/3 and Nex etc.
    The x1 holds up very well in regards of IQ. I really havw allways liked the rendering of the lens (nice contrast) and the color output.
    The user interface of the x1 is very simple and intuitive. And the camera is quite light and small.
    If you are sure to only use 35mm fov anyways...hard to tell.
    Do you want a built in EVF? OMD
    Or do you prefer a small camera where you can use it with or without viewfinder? x2
    Or do you like to put an OVF on it? x2
    I am pretty confident that the x2 could have the edge in IQ, nice lens, bigger sensor, and I like the way Leica tweaks the color and contrast.
    Those cameras all deliever such good IQ today, I start to believe user interface is more important than small IQ differences.
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    Following this, and it may be my first post here so Hey!

    I didn't see much mention of the EVF but as an M and X1 user, playing around with the OM-D, I found the finder distracting in that it takes a few milliseconds to come on. I am not big on EVFs to begin with but with my X1, I enjoy a brightline finder when I want to use it because it is on before my eyes are in place.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    That must be relatively recent, or my in-built disgust with Sigma products quality control blinds me to their existence. ];-)

    Seriously, I dimly recall that Sigma was offering some stuff for mFT now, but I've never even looked at the announcements. If it's good quality, that's a plus.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Quote Originally Posted by DwF View Post
    Following this, and it may be my first post here so Hey!

    I didn't see much mention of the EVF but as an M and X1 user, playing around with the OM-D, I found the finder distracting in that it takes a few milliseconds to come on. I am not big on EVFs to begin with but with my X1, I enjoy a brightline finder when I want to use it because it is on before my eyes are in place.

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    I do agree . . . and the button on the X2 is not perfect - on the OMD I find the eye start mostly to have got there before me.

    Of course, you can always use the X2 with a brightline finder . . . I always wanted the EVF, but truth to tell I use the LCD most of the time!

    The X2 does have some pretty radical improvements over the X1 - in fact, it really seems to solve all the problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hello and welcome.
    I do agree . . . and the button on the X2 is not perfect - on the OMD I find the eye start mostly to have got there before me.

    Of course, you can always use the X2 with a brightline finder . . . I always wanted the EVF, but truth to tell I use the LCD most of the time!

    The X2 does have some pretty radical improvements over the X1 - in fact, it really seems to solve all the problems
    Thanks Jono. I use the LCD most of the time too. I have an M9 coming so for me the X1 be around for a while before I step up

    If I like this new M, the M8 will have to go because the X1 will compliment the M9 better for me than a second M body. I've really enjoyed my M8 so only time will tell, but full frame is important to me.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Quote Originally Posted by DwF View Post
    Thanks Jono. I use the LCD most of the time too. I have an M9 coming so for me the X1 be around for a while before I step up

    If I like this new M, the M8 will have to go because the X1 will compliment the M9 better for me than a second M body. I've really enjoyed my M8 so only time will tell, but full frame is important to me.

    Very nice M9M stuff you are doing BTW!
    Thank you . . . .
    Well, the real advantage of the X2 over the X1 is speed of operation - I can understand that with an M9 on the way the X1 may have to stay for a while!

    I hope you enjoy the M9, I'm sure you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Sigma came out with two lenses for both m4/3 and NEX. They are 19mm and 30mm and mirror the lenses for the DP1 and DP2 camera. They both turned out to be very good performers (30mm I think the better of two) and they are both extremely attractively priced at $199. They are especially welcome lenses for NEX owners. So far, no reports of QC problems and I haven't heard of anyone shipping the lens back.
    Good to hear it. Nice to have another lens supplier stepping up to the plate too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwF View Post
    .. I didn't see much mention of the EVF but as an M and X1 user, playing around with the OM-D, I found the finder distracting in that it takes a few milliseconds to come on. I am not big on EVFs to begin with but with my X1, I enjoy a brightline finder when I want to use it because it is on before my eyes are in place.
    The Olympus VF-2 (Leica EVF-2) is a pretty nice piece, pretty much the state of the art EVF. The eye-sensing switch-on with the E-M5 does have its time associated, but I'm sure theres a way to simply have it on so that it doesn't get in the way.

    However, I also tend to prefer a clear optical finder most of the time. I see the viewfinders as tools with different nature and capabilities ... I'd need both to get the full spectrum of use from the X2. I'd buy the Oly finder and a Voigtländer 35mm FoV optical finder rather than spend the extra for Leica branded bits. The EVF is identical, the optical works well enough ...

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    For me it is a matter of form factor, the X1/2 is pocketable and has great results. The OMD while weatherproof and all, is about the same size as the M so I would opt to take the M more than the OMD. The X1/2 is smaller and can go everywhere with you, in a briefcase on business trips or in a coat pocket everyday. It has proven to be very good and while there are some gripes, the X2 seems to have addressed this.

    I was not an early adopter to the X1 and knew all of the faults before I bought and I am still happy with the results I get out of the camera. I have looked at all of the options, XPro-1, Nex7 and the OMD but all they provide is an alternate platform to the M and not a compact solution for me like the X1.
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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    If image quality is the only objective, I would have a look at one of the Fujis as well, the X100 or the X-Pro1. Particularly the latter is very impressive.
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    >The OMD while weatherproof and all, is about the same size as the M so I would opt to take the M more than the OMD.

    Are you sure, not my impression.
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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >The OMD while weatherproof and all, is about the same size as the M so I would opt to take the M more than the OMD.

    Are you sure, not my impression.
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    I stand corrected, the M9 body measures 5.47x3.15x1.46 inches while the OMD measures 4.8x3.5x1.69 inches. It is larger length wise, shorter and thinner than the OMD. And yes, being so close in size, I would still use it over the OMD.

    The OP did ask about image quality and as I have not shot with the OMD I can not objectively say that it is better or worse than the X2. My only experience with the Olympus products was the EPL1 which I did not care for image quality wise. I have shot with the X1 and find it very good indeed.

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    Again, thank you everyone
    After reading through all the replies in this thread i feel the X2 will more than meet my needs. IQ, size and simplicity in use! It seems like i would like to buy it with the OVF and an OLY EVF to see which would work best as both have their advantages. Lets hope Leica sends them to the US soon...

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    Re: LEICA X2 OR OMD?

    While I own an OVF that can be used on the x1 I use the display all the time.
    In contradiction I use the OVF of my x100 quite often.
    When I had an Ep1 I nearly never used the EVF VF-2.

    What does it tell me?
    1) I prefer an OVF over an EVF - however it is important to me to know where I focus. Thus I have some doubts how reliable the OVF works on the x1/x2 in this regard.
    2) When using cameras with EVF I often seem to prefer the display. I asked myself why and my explanation is: When I use the display I can still keep direct connection with the subject with my eyes. I dont feel as disconnected as I feel with the EVF (not a problem with a nice OVF)

    Why do I say this?
    If someone is planning to use an OVF often I would eventually recommend the x100 over the x1/x2 because of the interal viewfinder, with parallax correction and also showing where and if the AF has focused.
    Its not that much bigger than the x1 by the way.
    If one uses OVF only occasionally, and size is the biggest concern, I would recommend x1/x2.
    Just yesterday I did some fun comparison between a Nex7 with 24/1.8, a x100 and the x1 and while the results all were good in 80% of the images I prefered the color output and curve of the x1 images, just the most balanced for my taste with a nice warm but not yellowish look.
    On some images it looked like someone had switched the sun on when looking on the x1 images.
    My second choice in regards of color etc. was the x100, and third the Nex (which by the way shows clearly the very good DR).
    I find both the x100 and the x1 clearly ahead in regard to simple intuitive user interface.
    I cant talk about the OMD.

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    .. and an OLY EVF to see which would work best as both have their advantages. Lets hope Leica sends them to the US soon...
    And then by the time you have bought a half case for it the camera will be as big as an E-M5..........

    Good luck though, both are fine camera's.

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    The Olympus VF-2 (Leica EVF-2) is a pretty nice piece, pretty much the state of the art EVF. The eye-sensing switch-on with the E-M5 does have its time associated, but I'm sure theres a way to simply have it on so that it doesn't get in the way.

    However, I also tend to prefer a clear optical finder most of the time. I see the viewfinders as tools with different nature and capabilities ... I'd need both to get the full spectrum of use from the X2. I'd buy the Oly finder and a Voigtländer 35mm FoV optical finder rather than spend the extra for Leica branded bits. The EVF is identical, the optical works well enough ...

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    Yes the CV finder is what I use as well...which actually was intended for use with my trusty 28 3.5 Not shooting film much (It was dedicated it to my iiia after my M6 sold), the finder was sitting. It works fine for me on the X1 even though it is a bit wide.

    Now in the past few months I have been turning off the LCD and using the finder, I might try and pick up the CV 35 finder.

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    And then by the time you have bought a half case for it the camera will be as big as an E-M5..........

    Good luck though, both are fine camera's.

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    haha i did consider the half case just for protection but no more! Maybe a thumbs up?

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    And then by the time you have bought a half case for it the camera will be as big as an E-M5..........

    Good luck though, both are fine camera's.
    Well, I doubt that ... I know you don't like half cases, Steve, but a nicely designed and fitted one doesn't add that much bulk. The overall shape and feel of the X2 will remain completely different from an E-M5.

    I am sorely tempted to add an X2 to my kit. I was at the camera shop on Sunday and played with their X1, and had it on the table next to the E-M5. The E-M5 without a grip feels cramped in my hands, too many buttons and controls on a somewhat convoluted surface. The X1, which is smaller, feels more spacious and easier to operate by comparison due to the sparse controls. Fitting an OVF or EVF to it does make it a bit more bulky and can snag in a tight bag but it's still sleeker than the SLR-shaped E-M5.

    Like the M9, the X1 feels a little slick in my hands so I'll want a thin half case to improve my grip.

    Ah well. I will have to step up my "excess equipment" sales and generate some money for the camera equipment fund.

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    Well, I doubt that ... I know you don't like half cases, Steve, but a nicely designed and fitted one doesn't add that much bulk. The overall shape and feel of the X2 will remain completely different from an E-M5.

    I am sorely tempted to add an X2 to my kit. I was at the camera shop on Sunday and played with their X1, and had it on the table next to the E-M5. The E-M5 without a grip feels cramped in my hands, too many buttons and controls on a somewhat convoluted surface. The X1, which is smaller, feels more spacious and easier to operate by comparison due to the sparse controls. Fitting an OVF or EVF to it does make it a bit more bulky and can snag in a tight bag but it's still sleeker than the SLR-shaped E-M5.

    Like the M9, the X1 feels a little slick in my hands so I'll want a thin half case to improve my grip.

    Ah well. I will have to step up my "excess equipment" sales and generate some money for the camera equipment fund.
    Godfrey,
    which case would you recommend in case i decide to get one? The Artisan and Artist one looks nice with a built in grip but i'm not sure if it might be bulky...

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    ..which case would you recommend in case i decide to get one? The Artisan and Artist one looks nice with a built in grip but i'm not sure if it might be bulky...
    Cases, like bags, are very personal purchases.

    Haven't really looked too closely at the cases for the X1/X2 yet, but I have an A&A half-case for the M4-2 which is very trim and have a Leicatime.com (Luigi) case for the M9 which is a hair less trim but very comfortable in the hand. Luigi's cases are superb quality but expensive.

    I'm not particularly enamored of the A&A for the M9 as it has no option to protect the back/LCD—that's why I went for the Luigi case. I had him make the back flap completely removable so it doesn't get in my way when I'm in a shooting session and want to use the controls a lot, but I find it doesn't really matter much as I tend to use the camera without looking at the LCD or working the EV compensation most of the time.

    The X1/X2 case is similar ... if I go for a Luigi, I'll leave the hinged back flap there and get it without the additional grip. Just the peanut bump is fine for me.

    Leica's offering their own half case for the X2, don't know what that'll be like yet. And I see that Photo Village in NY has a Black Label Bag half case for it too, which is a virtual clone of the A&A but often with small nuance enhancements.

    I'm sure there's a half dozen others available via Ebay ...

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    The one thing I dont liek abot the x2 is how the "connection port" for the EVF looks like.
    I know the x2 is the "better" camera however the design of the x1 looks more straight forward IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    The one thing I dont liek abot the x2 is how the "connection port" for the EVF looks like.
    I know the x2 is the "better" camera however the design of the x1 looks more straight forward IMO.
    The X1's lower accessory shoe is a little trimmer looking. A black X2 minimizes the impact on the camera's lines.

    However, we should spend much more time looking through the camera than looking at the camera.
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    Cases, like bags, are very personal purchases.

    Haven't really looked too closely at the cases for the X1/X2 yet, but I have an A&A half-case for the M4-2 which is very trim and have a Leicatime.com (Luigi) case for the M9 which is a hair less trim but very comfortable in the hand. Luigi's cases are superb quality but expensive.

    I'm not particularly enamored of the A&A for the M9 as it has no option to protect the back/LCD—that's why I went for the Luigi case. I had him make the back flap completely removable so it doesn't get in my way when I'm in a shooting session and want to use the controls a lot, but I find it doesn't really matter much as I tend to use the camera without looking at the LCD or working the EV compensation most of the time.

    The X1/X2 case is similar ... if I go for a Luigi, I'll leave the hinged back flap there and get it without the additional grip. Just the peanut bump is fine for me.

    Leica's offering their own half case for the X2, don't know what that'll be like yet. And I see that Photo Village in NY has a Black Label Bag half case for it too, which is a virtual clone of the A&A but often with small nuance enhancements.

    I'm sure there's a half dozen others available via Ebay ...
    i was looking at the Leica ever ready case as well to carry the camera around in. Do you know if it can go around the neck with a strap attached?

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    i know we were discussing half cases earlier but this is an option to i guess...

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    i was looking at the Leica ever ready case as well to carry the camera around in. Do you know if it can go around the neck with a strap attached?
    The Leica "never" ready case is very nicely made and provide an excellent protection for the camera. But the strap of the case does not work on the X1/X2 body. I hardly use mine other than transporting the camera in suitcase and/or briefcase.

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    i was looking at the Leica ever ready case as well to carry the camera around in. Do you know if it can go around the neck with a strap attached?
    I haven't used an eveready case in thirty or more years, didn't even look at the Leica one. ... !

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    i used one of these for a M9 when i had one but now i guess i could use it for the X2...but no strap to carry around my neck when i'm walking about..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The X1's lower accessory shoe is a little trimmer looking. A black X2 minimizes the impact on the camera's lines.

    However, we should spend much more time looking through the camera than looking at the camera.
    How do you want to look through a camera which has no viewfinder included

    I like the x1 a lot and would be tempted by the x2. I am not sure though - lately I have developped a new love for 50mm fov, which I now use much more than 35mmfov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    How do you want to look through a camera which has no viewfinder included ...
    By attaching a viewfinder. Or looking at the LCD.
    It's a figure of speech.

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    pre ordered the X2!
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    pre ordered the X2!
    Very tempted to do the same. I'd like to sell a couple grand worth of unneeded stuff first, though, and use that money for the X2. Just sold another lens and have a rebate check coming for insurance and paper... That's a quarter of the way!
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    Just read Steve huffs blog post and it seems like he prefers the x100 IQ! I'm amazed! I always felt that the one thing the X2 had over the x100 was the IQ. I know how people feel about the evf and ovf being built in etc etc but IQ???
    Any one has a comment on this?

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    Personal taste is personal taste. I didn't like the X100 much as a camera to shoot with, never got to the point of disliking the photos it makes. It goes without saying that whatever the camera makes is just a starting point and that any of these cameras can make brilliant photos.

    I still think the GXR makes better raw files for me to work with than the X100 did. I'll let you know how I think it compares to the X2 when I have one to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    Just read Steve huffs blog post and it seems like he prefers the x100 IQ! I'm amazed! I always felt that the one thing the X2 had over the x100 was the IQ. I know how people feel about the evf and ovf being built in etc etc but IQ???
    Any one has a comment on this?
    I have the x1 and x100 and while the x100 does give great IQ I would give the edge in IQ to the x1 (in regards of color depth and overall "pop").
    On the other side I find the x100 with the build in viewfinder to be my more used camera. Then the x1/x2 is smaller.
    IMO both are great cameras.

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