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    It is so hard to let go...

    I have had an M8 for almost 2 years and 5-6 ASPH lenses that I use it sparingly. As everybody knows, it is a manual focus system and as I grow older (who is not ?), my focusing ability is diminishing. I never had any issues with it since day 1 although it made the trip to Solms for that recall at the beginning. Compared to the current breed of DSLR from both Canon and Nikon, the resulting images over ISO 400 is not practically noise-free. The more I think about it the more I think it is a good idea to let it go. Yet, I am having a tough time with that idea. I assembled the package together to take pictures for the FS listing, but I hesitated again. I am normally not so attached to my camera gear; they come and go on a regular basis but this is a tough one. Is this normal?

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Hi There
    Yes, it is normal, and the answer is simple . . . KEEP IT. Get something else as well which will do better high iso and auto focus - I used to think it was compulsory to keep to one system, these days I seem to have three

    The only camera I've really liked and sold (because I wasn't using it enough) I ended up buying back again.

    The M8 is not perfect, but it does produce a unique file. I think that if you're in doubt you should definitely keep it.

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    What Jono said.
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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Joshua,

    I sold my M8 six months ago, and missed it dearly for the last six months. Sure, my Canon system makes fine images, but I just missed the "leica look", and the incredible portability of the M8 system, warts and all.

    I sat down a couple of weeks ago, and went through my Lightroom catalog, looking at my highest rated shots from the past 18 months. I was surprised how many of them were shot with the M8. During that time, I probably shot about 20-25% of my shots with the M8, yet about 60%-70% of my highest rated images during that stretch were shot with the M8.

    That was the final straw. I just bought back in this week - picked up an M8 and 6 lenses to make a complete M kit. I can't tell you how happy I am to have this system again.

    I'm not getting rid of my Canon system - it certainly serves it's purpose well. But I feel liberated now when it comes to travel, street, portrait photography. I can carry my entire M kit in a small shoulder bag, wear it all day, and not feel tired at all. And the images... I just love them.

    One final thought on this...

    It's a great time to buy, and a poor time to sell. There's not many buyers out there right now. If you dump your M system in this market, and then change your mind as I did, you'll be "selling low" and "buying high", and will pay for it in the long run.

    If you can afford it, keep your M8 and your best 3-4 lenses, and sell off the rest. Keep using your Canon system for the high ISO situations, and the situations that need good AF.

    That would be my advice.

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    One more thought...

    I was telling Jack this week, these are images that I probably COULD produce with my Canon system. Technically, I could do it, by using the right lenses, etc.

    But the really is that I never WOULD produce them, because I simply wouldn't lug around a complete set of L primes everywhere I go.

    The portability of the M system means that I'm getting images that I otherwise wouldn't with the Canon system, even if the Canon system is technically capable of producing them.

    Here's a few quick examples just from this week - walking through an industrial boat dock in San Francisco.

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Jono, Jack and Mike,
    Thank you for your guys' input and for being able to relate to how I feel about this. I have 3 systems, including the Leica M altogether.... that's the problem . Just like you mentioned, Mike, I am a gear slut.

    Mike, I like the idea of just reducing the number of lenses to just 3-4 I use the most, although that in itself is another tough nut to crack but better than letting the whole shebang go....

    Thank you very much,
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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Joshua,
    Don't do it. The M8 system isn't a perfect system, but I get way more enjoyment and good shots from my M8 than from other systems.
    Like Mike said, you will be selling low if you sell now. I just sold most of my Nikon gear and really took a beating. This is not a good time to sell if you don't have to.

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    Don't do it , I wish i could have kept mine but MF was calling.
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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    The m8 is worth eliminating as much of the focus issue as you can...

    1. Make sure you have checked out the possibility for a diopter to correct your vision. If you wear glasses or need a little help with the paper ..you may benefit from a diopter.

    2. Make sure your M8 and the lenses are calibrated to perfection. DAG can do this . All three of my M8 bodies were slightly off and half my lenses . Some of those maybe technically within specifications but far enough out to cause front/backfocus issues. No sense is blaming the eyes when it might be the equipment.

    3. Work with more forgiving settings. Do you really need to shooting wideopen for every situation ..just because the amazing lenses can handle it ? Using f5.6 and a wide angle provides a lot of latitude . This may require the use of the new auto ISO feature.

    4. Practice and work on techniques to find the easiest element to check your focus. The more you shoot the better you can be.

    Like I said the M8 is worth it......LOL

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    If you can afford it; keep it. The M8 is so much more fun to use than the larger DSLRs. Regards. DR

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    I just bought my M8 a month ago and I'm amazed. The photographs I shoot with my starter kit (16-18-21/4 and 90/2.8) reflect the real atmosphere much better than my Nikon D300 and many, many pro-class Nikkor lenses. To prove my point, I'm including three shots I took last week at the Topkapi Palace, Istanbul, in drenching rain. I go there every month with all sorts of cameras and lenses in all kinds of weather, but I was never stunned by my shots before.
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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Don't do it , I wish i could have kept mine but MF was calling.
    HI Guy
    Do you mean that all your M stuff has gone?!
    I never thought to see the day

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    I bought a Nikon d700 and a couple of the new primes thinking I would use it the most..it turns out it sat on my desk and I never used it much using the M8 instead..I never could make a file from the Nikon look as good as a M8 file. I sold the Nikon gear and bought another M8.2.
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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Guy
    Do you mean that all your M stuff has gone?!
    I never thought to see the day
    Let's not remind me. Hopefully next year i will replace it. i am getting a 8.2 to play with from leica in NJ for a couple weeks. They wanted to see how I like the improvements, which will be fun. Looking forward to it
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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    I went through this exact process about two months ago, Thankfully all these folks who are offering you advice did the same for me. I ended up keeping my M system and am thankful to those who guided my dilemma.

    Keep the M8 unless this focus problem really bugs you.

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Quote Originally Posted by mwalker View Post
    I bought a Nikon d700 and a couple of the new primes thinking I would use it the most..it turns out it sat on my desk and I never used it much using the M8 instead..I never could make a file from the Nikon look as good as a M8 file. I sold the Nikon gear and bought another M8.2.
    I too also bought a D700 (as a successor to the D200 which is now backup) last week - and it is a hell of a camera (it has amazing high ISO ability which is the only M8 bugbear for me), but I will run it alongside the M8, no question. The look and portability of the M system makes it indispensible.

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    Keep it! Unless you'd like to sell a 28/2, 75/2 or 24/2.8 lens at a good price. In which case; sell it! (Keep the rest, of course).

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Guy
    Do you mean that all your M stuff has gone?!
    I never thought to see the day
    I am holding some of it for him.
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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I am holding some of it for him.
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    Ah Bob
    But will you give it back!

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Jono,
    ay, there's the rub
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    I have a whole crew out there holding stuff for me. ROTFLMAO
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    I also love the M8 for its optics and IQ. However, like Guy, the medium format had long called me so I decided to retool my gear. Since medium format is also reducing in price greatly (thus it is relative to all the prices including the M8). Instead of prices I believe to own the system (s) that I love most and in my cases it has to do with optics and be able to buy them at the best time. Like Joshua and many other folks there are so many things we want out of our camera system and one just will not be enough. I decided to use a digital back that I can change interphase mounting adapter so that I do not own too many digital sensors but instead just one or 2 and the second one must be able to complement the first sensor and not duplicating. The second also serves as a back up but with functional extension. One of the key to the M8 system is the no mirror module so when the shutter goes off there is no pre mirror slapping. This feature is great for many occasions. However, the whole M8 kit funding was shifted to the medium format digital back. I then bought the Hasselblad 38mm Biogon as my big M8 big brother. This combination of the digital back and a biogon lens is relatively compact for traveling. The lens can focus extremely close and no distortion is apparent. In fact, this lens was used for copy work since the film day. In fact on some of the folks set up the Biogon is mounted on a copy stand. For auto focus system, I turn to the Sinar m system. Up to date from my experiences, the Sinar m system offers me the fastest no hunting auto focus (there are other medium format systems which offer decent auto focus. The auto focus lens for the Sinar m system is lovely and the Sinar m camera will also take all of my Hasselblad V manual focus lens including some of the best lens I have ever used, the 40mm CFE IF, 2.0/110 FE, Superchromat 2.8/300 FE. I also love the Rollei lens for the Hy6 and Rollei 6008 cameras but almost all of the lens that I like in this system happened to be manual focus. Thus, I can get the Rollei 6008 Integral camera that is at the price of an adapter. Again, the Rollei system also have great accessories and the strength of this system for me is the electronic shutter which is essential for multi-shot digital back. The Rollei 6008 system also have accessories for mirror lock up in multi exposure. The Sinar m camera also has a built in electronic shutter and the mirror locks up the whole time the digital back goes through the multi-shots process. In addition, the Sinar m camera will also take the Nikkor lens (the one with the aperture level in the rear) and do auto aperture stop down as well. For zoom lens application the Nikkor zoom will also work fine. I am planing to make the modify the Nikon module into the Leica R module for the Sinar m camera. In addition, the best medium format zoom lens that I have found in terms of hand hold ability and resolution, is the Contax 645 Vario-Sonnar T* 4.5/45-90. In addition, the Contax 645 system also offers the best low mirror and shutter vibration for handheld ability and a waist level finder for copy works and landscape application. Again, all of these systems are funneled to the same digital back. The route that I took for myself is not something that I would recommend for anyone (time and cost) but since we are on the topic of several cameras in the same platform I thought I would introduce the concept of many different platforms with a single digital back. Below is a sample of one lens in my multi-systems with a single digital back.

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    That is a beautiful photograph Son!

    If you cant manually focus easily - then you dont have much choice.

    Nothing to do - except get a new prescription from the Optometrist! Don't sell your M8.

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    That is a beautiful photograph Son!

    If you cant manually focus easily - then you dont have much choice.

    Nothing to do - except get a new prescription from the Optometrist! Don't sell your M8.
    Thanks Peter! This image was taken with the Hasselblad 205TCC camera. When it comes to manual focus system, the Hasselblad V system has an extremely bright, crisp, and therefore facilitate the manual focus process with ease. My percent keeper on the Hasselblad V is 99.99% in manual focus mode and handheld.

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    Re: It is so hard to let go...

    Hi Son,
    Nice to hear from you. The image you posted has so much details in it. Really remarkable!

    Thank you for all the folks that have shared their thought here.

    Joshua

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