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    Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    okay it's a bear to focus and the frame lines suck with it . And it is big the biggest in the M line but when you get one that look just can't be beat. Just shot this 10 minutes ago with a little fill flash from the Metz 54 at f4 and bam, Winner. Makes it real hard to sell when you get the goods
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    This was yesterday with my kids. At 2.8. Of course these are both for Christmas cards
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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    I have to say Guy that if I could only have one lens for the M8, silly as it may seem considering the tele FOV, it would be the 75 lux. I learned to love it when I borrowed yours in Germany just to experiment and then I bought a mint one as soon as I came home. I have so many wonderul images of my family, especially my grandchildren, using this lens that I couldn't imagine being without it.

    Love the 28, 15 R Elmarit etc but the one I keep on my black body is the 75 lux. I guess it captures the world as I see it better than all the others. I had the Cron for a while but with a few steps backwards I like the 90 APO/ASPH better. I have no experience with the Summarits but based on the article in the latest issue of LFI I wouldn't trade the Lux. If I didn't already own a 75 I would probably evaluate all of these before buying.

    Just thoughts about my experiences and what I consider important.

    Hope everyone can enjoy some of the constituents of the photo taken from th e Tunnel Overlook using the M8 and 75 Lux at I believe about 5.6, at about 14 minutes past the setting of the sun. Guy and Jack arranged with God for all of us to have this opportunity on the first real day of our Yosemite workshop. Loved all of the experiences guys. I am certainly a better image maker as a result of our time together

    Plus I have seen your wonderful Lux images and I just wish I could get to where you are with this lens. You really know how to "NAIL" the focus.

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    Woody that image is spectacular and hopefully you have a nice large print of it.

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Woody,
    Beautiful image... really spectacular light.

    Guy,
    Lovely shots.

    You guys are making me think I made a mistake in selling my lux and keeping the cron

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    It is certainly one of my favourate lenses



    A film job- Fuji 160S rated at ISO 100

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    Ok I used the the BB code link in the Gallery area... how come it posts up so small?

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    If you click on it it shows the gallery. if you want it in a post big like i did than hit mange attachments and load that way. Several ways to post here
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    Cheers Guy Ö Iím totally incompetent when it comes to web posting Ö Iíll get there

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    the one thing I noticed when using the 75 was that the framelines were so wrong, I'm glad it was not just me seeing this problem.

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Well the one beauty of digital is the LCD screen you know what you are at least getting and can change it. When i use the 75 i just crop inside of what i want and it seems to give me what i want . My bet is though the M9 when it comes will be electronic frame lines for the lens you have on and accurate. time to move on a little here for Leica
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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    the one thing I noticed when using the 75 was that the framelines were so wrong, I'm glad it was not just me seeing this problem.
    When I first started with the 75 it would take me 3 tries sometimes to keep unwanted things out of the corners and to get heads in the right spot. Since it was essentially one first lenses (35 and 75) I bought for my first rangefinder I was feeling pretty inept ...OK I still feel inept a lot of the time but at least now I know it isn't always completely my fault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by workingcamera View Post
    Cheers Guy Ö Iím totally incompetent when it comes to web posting Ö Iíll get there
    Look right below this post to the left see New reply use that than manage attachments will be below the text box than click on that than a dialogue box pops up than upload file hit that than find your image than hit upload . wait for that to happen than hit reply . Try it you will love it
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    When I first started with the 75 it would take me 3 tries sometimes to keep unwanted things out of the corners and to get heads in the right spot. Since it was essentially one first lenses (35 and 75) I bought for my first rangefinder I was feeling pretty inept ...OK I still feel inept a lot of the time but at least now I know it isn't always completely my fault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by workingcamera View Post
    Ok I used the the BB code link in the Gallery area... how come it posts up so small?
    You did great! click on it and you go to the fulll image. If you want to put it in the thread full size, attach it like Guy said or use the "direct code link" and insert it using the picture icon in the post menu and you get this:

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    You guys are making me think I made a mistake in selling my lux and keeping the cron
    Me, too. I just put mine on the b/s because I decided to switch to the cron, but now I'm wondering....

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Well I can only say this about that: They still make the 75 Cron, but they aren't making the 75 Lux anymore...
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    A fantastic lens indeed, one of my favorites on the M8:

    is good for candids:


    ...portraits:


    ...low light concerts:


    you name it!
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    Thanks Jack

    Yeah the Lux is certainly not the easiest M lens to get used to using in contrast to its big sister the 80-R is a dream combo on the R8/9.

    I consider myself fortunate to have the 75 Lux though and believe there is still room in the lens line up for such a lens.

    I found it very useful for theatre etc.

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    Yes, my favorite lens too. Didn't quite nail the right eye, but love that look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Woody that image is spectacular and hopefully you have a nice large print of it.
    Terry

    I printed this at 22x36 and it held up remarkably well. There is nothing in the 135 world that matches the M8 files in my opinion.

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    Inspiring. I love that lens, but don't use it enough. Into the "daily use" bag it goes tonight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaapv View Post
    Inspiring. I love that lens, but don't use it enough. Into the "daily use" bag it goes tonight!
    Yep... Mine's going back in too!
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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    We just need to get over the weight and bulk of it but it should be in the bag ,even on things that you would not associate using it for . It becomes a neat tool. I like the Cron also and the Summarit . The decision is a hard one in this arena
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    Guy, and others,
    All great looking shots. Little doubt the 75 Lux is a nice piece of kit.

    I did find it informative, and somewhat amusing, how things circled around the 75s for a bit. I think it does suggest that any of them are more than capable of delivering, and yet each has its own signature and attractive features, be it bokeh, sharpness, contrast, size, price, etc.

    The Lux may be bigger and heavier, but it still can "wow" with images. And the other key point folks made.....the more you use any lens, the more comfortable you get with framing and other things. Something to be said for few lenses that get used more over lots of glass that gets used little ;-)

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Woody:

    What a difference 2 minutes can make LOLOLOL! Folks, I had just got through telling everybody that the light can pop at this location after sunset, so to hang tight for a few minutes after sunset. Most of the plethora of other photographers that usually hang around there had left after the first fade and I grabbed my shot in this light about 5 minutes later. It started to fade the second time so I began taking my gear down and putting it away. The group was busy talking and enjoying the sunset when two minutes later it popped for about 10 seconds more looking like you see it in Woody's capture. As you can see, he nailed it and i came away with a weak second

    Congrats Woody!

    My version, 2 minutes earlier -- and per my announcement on color accuracy, this image looks HORRIBLE if viewed in Safari!:

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    I agree leica just makes great glass and some folks can argue about it all day long on which is better but that really is not what it is about. It's what you can draw from them is the key. Frankly the Lux is a old dog , old design and technically nowhere near that of the advanced Cron with floating elements Asph and Apo designs but it is a 30 year design that can produce great stuff. That is what i like to talk about more than anything when it comes to gear is what it can do for you with your work, not count resolution charts. LOL

    Yes of course it is nice to compare them like i did in the Summarit tests but really what was i really doing, i was showing you how they draw more than anything else. This is the stuff that counts as a shooter, so threads like this are worth reading because they show you more than anything else.
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    GET the STEER. It totally changes the handling of the 75 'lux.

    Guy recommended this and I went for it. Not only inexpensive -- indispensable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I agree leica just makes great glass and some folks can argue about it all day long on which is better but that really is not what it is about. It's what you can draw from them is the key. Frankly the Lux is a old dog , old design and technically nowhere near that of the advanced Cron with floating elements Asph and Apo designs but it is a 30 year design that can produce great stuff. That is what i like to talk about more than anything when it comes to gear is what it can do for you with your work, not count resolution charts. LOL

    Yes of course it is nice to compare them like i did in the Summarit tests but really what was i really doing, i was showing you how they draw more than anything else. This is the stuff that counts as a shooter, so threads like this are worth reading because they show you more than anything else.
    Guy,
    I agree with what you are saying, and did not suggest any of this great stuff be diminished or overlooked at all, nor that one solution was the only way to go. Seeing how each lens is capable of delivering things in its own way and under a variety of shooting needs and conditions is extremely helpful and valuable. One of the points I was trying to make is how many of us can and do circle around things, for very valid reasons. Having every lens that draws differently would be wonderful, but also impractical, especially if most of them get left behind in the bag or at home. Being able to get the kinds of impressions about image delivery from different lenses is helpful to all. I still believe that the best most of us can do is to use all of our gear more, no matter how many or few pieces that may be

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    Yes the comparisions are nice because it gives folks visually what they can do and help decide where to unload there pocket to get one. The 75mm lenses are tough because you face different things more than some other lenses size and weight are real big here the difference between the Lux and Summarit is very big and the Cron becomes the compromise size on one hand. The Lux has the speed and a certain look wide open , the Cron is sharp across the field at F2 and the differences keep mounting so yes I agree it is a tough call in this area. Than if you jump into the zeiss and Cv lenses than you add more to the decision. Even myself went back and forth in the R mount with the 80 and 90 more times than i care to admit at least 3 times. LOL
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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Woody:

    What a difference 2 minutes can make LOLOLOL! Folks, I had just got through telling everybody that the light can pop at this location after sunset, so to hang tight for a few minutes after sunset. Most of the plethora of other photographers that usually hang around there had left after the first fade and I grabbed my shot in this light about 5 minutes later. It started to fade the second time so I began taking my gear down and putting it away. The group was busy talking and enjoying the sunset when two minutes later it popped for about 10 seconds more looking like you see it in Woody's capture. As you can see, he nailed it and i came away with a weak second

    Congrats Woody!

    My version, 2 minutes earlier -- and per my announcement on color accuracy, this image looks HORRIBLE if viewed in Safari!:

    Jack

    I know this is weird but I opened this thread in both Safari and Firefox simultaneously so I could do a one click swap between them. On my Mac and Eizo monitor there is absolutely no differences between them far as i can tell. Go Figure

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
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    I know this is weird but I opened this thread in both Safari and Firefox simultaneously so I could do a one click swap between them. On my Mac and Eizo monitor there is absolutely no differences between them far as i can tell. Go Figure

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    Are you running Leopard? I had Guy confirm it on his machines too and he noted skintones were also way off. Guy and I are both running Leopard with the latest Safari build, 3.0.4 On both my PC with IE and new Mac with Firefox, it looks like it should, a perfect match to CS3.

    Edit: This is weird. Safari is color managed, but doesn't render the jpeg above correctly. Firefox isn't color managed, but renders the jpeg above identically to CS3 (which is obviously color managed), when all are viewed side-by-side on my profiled monitor...
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    I switched back to firefox , for some reason it looks better. Does not make sense
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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    My safari and firefox browsers both show the same color on my Eizo (G5 with Tiger). I've yet to see any images on this site that appear to be "off". But if some are seeing it, then it must be something.

    Is it possible that saving an image with an ICC profile might make a difference in how it's displayed in the newer versions of Safari? I found this on John Nack's blog: "Now there's a cross-platform way to present accurate color images on the Web. Check "ICC Profile" in Photoshop's Save for Web dialog to include the info needed for color management to do its thing."

    Or, maybe it's just happening in Leopard.

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Are you running Leopard? I had Guy confirm it on his machines too and he noted skintones were also way off. Guy and I are both running Leopard with the latest Safari build, 3.0.4 On both my PC with IE and new Mac with Firefox, it looks like it should, a perfect match to CS3.

    Edit: This is weird. Safari is color managed, but doesn't render the jpeg above correctly. Firefox isn't color managed, but renders the jpeg above identically to CS3 (which is obviously color managed), when all are viewed side-by-side on my profiled monitor...
    Jack

    I switched to Leopard for my MacBook Pro 17 inch, but when I tried to do it with my desktop MacPro I had horrible problems and switched back to Tiger. I won't try Leopard again until they fix some really awful problems. They either did not provide sufficient time for third party developers to get their Leopard compatible products on the market or whatever. Outcome is that the new Mac OS is full of bugs. Hope all gets well later

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    My version, 2 minutes earlier -- and per my announcement on color accuracy, this image looks HORRIBLE if viewed in Safari!:

    Jack:

    It takes some people a long time to realize that photography is all about the light. I am referring to the photograhers that left after the sun set, not you or Woody.

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Guy, Woody and TR: I suspect this is only a Leopard issue, something weird going on like maybe both Leopard and Safari trying to manage the image. Woody, can you do me a favor and browse the thread I posted in the processing section on your laptop and seeif you then see them displayed differently?

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    Jack:

    It takes some people a long time to realize that photography is all about the light. I am referring to the photograhers that left after the sun set, not you or Woody.

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    Robert, you are so correct! That was the point of my post, how much better Woody's shot is for having waited for the light to actually disappear for good before putting his gear away.

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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    Jack:

    It takes some people a long time to realize that photography is all about the light. I am referring to the photograhers that left after the sun set, not you or Woody.

    Robert
    Robert, you are so correct! That was the point of my post, how much better Woody's shot is for having waited for the light to actually disappear for good before putting his gear away. Woody = Me =

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Robert, you are so correct! That was the point of my post, how much better Woody's shot is for having waited for the light to actually disappear for good before putting his gear away. Woody = Me =

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    I finally got Phyllis off the MacBook long enough to do the test for you. I set things up so that images were the same size and in the same relative place on the screen so I could click back and forth to quickly see differences. There were definitely some subtle differences but very minor. I suspect that if you were not doing an A/B comparison that either image would strike you as being just fine. Certainly nothing like the raucous pink in the image you posted.

    Of course this is only one sample so I am not sure if you can conclude that Leopard is an issue. Based on my view, I would say not.

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    Here is one from the other day. 640ASA, F2 ...

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    Another one, outside...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
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    My version, 2 minutes earlier -- and per my announcement on color accuracy, this image looks HORRIBLE if viewed in Safari!:

    I approached this with some scepticism ... but you are quite correct!! It seems to be a leopard issue only though because with 10.4.x there's no difference between the images. In Leopard the colour management is definitely being messed with in Safari causing the images to be a lot warmer/red. Firefox is noticably different.

    As much as I like Leopard, there's a bit too much of a 'Vista' feel about it ... dumbing down stuff so you can't find it, bugs, lack of drivers, OS being a nanny at times etc.

    Nice shot btw. Do you folks use the parking lot at Tunnel View? I've found that there's actually a nicer viewpoint if you hike up the trail across the road.

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    Some nice shots there. Merry Christmas Guy
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    The nice thing on the 75 lux if you want it sharp just a few stops down and it turns into a razor blade
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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    not just for portraits, either!


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    Re: Leica 75 Lux what a lens when you nail it

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I approached this with some scepticism ... but you are quite correct!! It seems to be a leopard issue only though because with 10.4.x there's no difference between the images. In Leopard the colour management is definitely being messed with in Safari causing the images to be a lot warmer/red. Firefox is noticably different.

    As much as I like Leopard, there's a bit too much of a 'Vista' feel about it ... dumbing down stuff so you can't find it, bugs, lack of drivers, OS being a nanny at times etc.

    Nice shot btw. Do you folks use the parking lot at Tunnel View? I've found that there's actually a nicer viewpoint if you hike up the trail across the road.
    Hi Grahame

    Yes this one was shot from the parking lot and yes I have shot from the other side of the road at a higher elevation. But on this workshop all the shots were from the parking lot.

    Glad you liked the image

    Best

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    Hi Tony and welcome to the forum! Very cool shot for a first post!

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    Some pictures to share (no crops, just resized):






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