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    Canon 50mm f0.95

    Went for a test drive today @ f0.95 with the M8:






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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Way cool
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    I actually find it quite useable, despite negative comments on the lens:






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    Cool stuff, Hacker.

    I found it delivers more magic than the Noctilux, if it focuses right on.



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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Where do you find a wonderful lens like that?
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    You either buy a Canon 50/0.95 and then have the special bayonet mount replaced with an M-mount or find one which has been converted.

    Several shops do the conversion.

    I do love mine... Here are some more shots with it.

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    Those are great John...Canon doesn't make those anymore right?
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    Mike,theres one for sale right now on e-bay converted to M-mount,this one says "TV"on the lens,not sure what this means._____________ Neil.
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=110304468351
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Hacker View Post
    I actually find it quite useable, despite negative comments on the lens:
    The negative comments originate from users who do not get used to the idea of using a very fast lens properly.

    Here are a couple of shots (on a RD-1s @f/0.95):


    Field Mouse


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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    Mike,theres one for sale right now on e-bay converted to M-mount,this one says "TV"on the lens,not sure what this means._____________ Neil.
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=110304468351
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The negative comments originate from users who do not get used to the idea of using a very fast lens properly.

    Here are a couple of shots (on a RD-1s @f/0.95):


    Field Mouse


    Pigeon
    HI Vivek
    Did you just shoot that pigeon? it doesn't look well (rather like all the pigeons around, we've had a plague, and now they seem to have a plague!).

    I do like the field mouse though.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Hi Jono, These are pics are a bit old (I no longer have the RD-1s and no digital M).

    This shot was a minute earlier:



    The pigeon jumped and 1/500s wasn't enough to freeze the motion.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    Mike,theres one for sale right now on e-bay converted to M-mount,this one says "TV"on the lens,not sure what this means._____________ Neil.
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=110304468351
    Thanks, I'm bidding on it...How much do they go for?
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Over a year ago converted units were from 1200 1500 US dollars. TV means it was a TV lens and not from the Canon 7 rangefinder. The TV lens requires a rangefinder coupling to be added. Here's what Mike at Eastcamtech says about them. He did my conversion.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Ok...I found and bought one...poor mans Noctilux

    John, Weinglas, Vivek, Hacker, Any tricks to using it, it sounds like it may be finicky. I have no problems with my 35 and 50 LUX's.
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Mike, Hope you have decent sample that has the accurate RF coupling (important).

    Buy a 72 to 58mm step down ring, keep this on the lens all the time. You can use a proper 58mm lenshood on it (without fear of vignetting on the M8).
    This is essential, IME.

    Also, use +0.3eV to +0.5eV over what the centre weighted meter indicates.

    Have fun!

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    I called Camera West and Michael had one (I had $1000 of store credit there), so if it dosn't couple properly I can send it back. He said it was sent off for the conversion and tested. So the step down ring...will do. Thanks...We'll see how it goes.
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    Hi Mike,

    congratulations. Be prepared for a lot of fun.

    My advice is to shoot your first pictures at different apertures. The lens changes its character quite often when you stop down. E.g. at 5.6 ist is almost as sharp as a summicron. And the Bokeh can sometimes be surprising. I cannot explain why it looks sometimes like a whirl and sometimes not.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Check the focus thoroughly. Use a measuring tape (1meter and higher) with the camera on a tripod.

    I have a 2 miles long email communications on a conversion and finally I had to help out the friend to get it corrected (cost additional money and a lot of time) elsewhere!

    The only person who does the best job (that I know) on this front (but not cosmetics and others) is Kevin Li. Simply superb.

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    Kevin is great. He fixed a front focusing problem I had with mine after conversion based on Vivek's recommendation.

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    Do you have contact info for him
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by mwalker View Post
    Where do you find a wonderful lens like that?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-50mm-RF-le...1%7C240%3A1318

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    fyi update on this lens.....its at DAG getting the m mount along with my 8.2. The .2 was front focusing a bit with the 35 LUX and 50 LUX so I sent the whole setup to Don. I'm sure he'll do a good job and he's got my camera there to test it. When I get it back I'll post some shots.
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    Hi Mike,

    mine was also calibrated from DAG and he has done a good work.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    I got this lens today..it's difficult to get right...

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    Congrats Mike! I'm still looking for one. I won an auction, but the lens showed significant lens element separation and I returned it for a refund. I hope to find another one soon.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by mwalker View Post
    I got this lens today..it's difficult to get right...
    Backlit subjects for any fast lens is tricky. I hope you are using a hood on this lens.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by mwalker View Post
    Ok...I found and bought one...poor mans Noctilux

    John, Weinglas, Vivek, Hacker, Any tricks to using it, it sounds like it may be finicky. I have no problems with my 35 and 50 LUX's.
    I use it like any other lens. But I also use the 1.25x VF magnifier.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Backlit subjects for any fast lens is tricky. I hope you are using a hood on this lens.
    Yes I did what you said I got the step down ring and hood.... I'll play around more with it today.
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Backlit subjects for any fast lens is tricky. I hope you are using a hood on this lens.
    Quick:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-lenshood-U...1%7C240%3A1318

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Hacker View Post
    The ebay description says rare..it don't know how "rare" it is.... I got mine at B&H all in stock
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Mike, The 72 ->58 step-down ring plus hood (58mm) works very well.

    The $508/- rare (it really is) hood do poorly (in addition to blocking the viewfinder, perhaps).

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    Oh I see now its a canon .95 hood yeah I bet it is rare. The 72-58 set up I got at B&H for around $40 works great. No vignetting.
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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    I found the Heavystar standard 72mm screw in hood works fine on the 50/0.95 and is a steal at 12 dollars

    I've found Heavystar to be my source of choice for all types of hoods and filter adapters.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Thought I update this thread as I'm still finding new ways the lens renders, like the "glow" shots wide open:






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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Hacker View Post
    I actually find it quite useable, despite negative comments on the lens:
    Digital has breathed new life into some old lenses. Compared to a Noctilux and shot on film, the Canon was a bit low in contrast and not as sharp. With digital, this is dealt with in post.

    Nice shots from the wedding.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    Digital has breathed new life into some old lenses. Compared to a Noctilux and shot on film, the Canon was a bit low in contrast and not as sharp. With digital, this is dealt with in post.

    Nice shots from the wedding.

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    I agree these are superb shots! Thanks for sharing, Hacker!

    But I disagree with Robert's contention about the lack of sharpness of this lens.

    You can increase or decrease contrast in the post but can never add any details that aren't already there!

    I would go as far as to say that the Canon 50/0.95 is a high resolution lens and no less.

    I do not have a Noctilux to compare but I would not be surprised if the Canon 50/0.95 beats the Noctilux 50/1, wide open, in terms of resolving ability.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    But I disagree with Robert's contention about the lack of sharpness of this lens.

    You can increase or decrease contrast in the post but can never add any details that aren't already there!

    I would go as far as to say that the Canon 50/0.95 is a high resolution lens and no less.

    I do not have a Noctilux to compare but I would not be surprised if the Canon 50/0.95 beats the Noctilux 50/1, wide open, in terms of resolving ability.
    I was referring to film. It is hard to increase the contrast on slides unless you get into special processing for just that lens.

    The Noctilux is pretty sharp up at f1. I have never seen a Canon .95 shot where you could see the details in the iris of the subjects eyes. Here are a few examples from a while back. Both were shot at f1 and near the close focus limit for the older son.

    You should really try a Noctilux. Mine works well in IR too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I do not have a Noctilux to compare but I would not be surprised if the Canon 50/0.95 beats the Noctilux 50/1, wide open, in terms of resolving ability.
    I have the Noctilux (latest batch, 6-bit), and it has been used way much less than the Canon. Time for some shots with the Noctilux too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    I have never seen a Canon .95 shot where you could see the details in the iris of the subjects eyes.
    Hmmm...finding a willing subject with blue eyes would be hard for me .

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Hacker, Do that (the comparison) and tell us!

    Bob Pearson (spelling- last name?) is the one who informed me about the some of the comparative characteristics of both lenses, particularly the light transmission.

    Robert, If you look at the earlier shots that Hacker posted in this thread you would find your examples (well, his children's irises won't show the details as yours'). Yes, it is capable of doing that easily.

    The one version (Canon 50/0.95) that has light blue coatings (and not yellow coatings) does very well for UV as well as IR.

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    I can take out the tripod and everything and shoot some shots of both lenses. Someone better in processing skills has got to take the DNG files and do the comparisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Mike, Hope you have decent sample that has the accurate RF coupling (important).
    You guys have got to stop talking up this lens, or prices will go up again. Back when prevailing "wisdom" was that they were mushy, unusable doorstops, they were fairly reasonable in price. (The fact that they had a special breech mount that only fit the Canon 7/7s helped. So many seem to be going to M-mount conversion now that I expect the unconverted ones eventually will become rare collector's items.)

    Now they seem to be enjoying a second life on digital cameras -- thanks, I suspect, to the fact that a bit of unsharp masking cleans up the mush very nicely, without sacrificing the lens' unusual "signature."

    About the RF coupling, yes, it's extremely important; focusing accuracy is critical, as you might expect. And you can't just assume it will be correct; based on my reading of the Canon 7/7s repair manual, I believe that Canon calibrated its RF lenses based on slightly different assumptions about film flatness than the assumptions Leica used. That means a lens that focused perfectly on a 7/7s may not focus perfectly on a non-Canon body, unless checked and adjusted. If you're having one converted, the converter can do the compensation; if you've got an already-converted one that's a bit "off," a good optical mechanic can zero it in by adjusting the "collimation shim," a precision brass spacer (hand-selected for each individual lens during production) that determines the depth at which the optical head sits in the focusing mount.

    I know I've linked to these in other threads, but as long as we're on the subject, here are a couple of my own 50/0.95 picture batches: one from back during my "film era" (on a Canon 7s) and the more recent set on an R-D 1:



    (This second batch will show you why Vivek says a lens hood is so important!)

    It wouldn't surprise me if a Noctilux were at least somewhat better, especially in terms of contrast and flare control. But I use the Canon for its "look"... and besides, there are many, many dollars standing between me and ever owning a Noctilux, whereas the Canon is reasonably accessible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me if a Noctilux were at least somewhat better, especially in terms of contrast and flare control. But I use the Canon for its "look"... and besides, there are many, many dollars standing between me and ever owning a Noctilux, whereas the Canon is reasonably accessible.
    The Canon definitely flares without the hood, and from what limited experience I have with the lens, I think it is optimized at further distances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    You guys have got to stop talking up this lens, or prices will go up again.

    It wouldn't surprise me if a Noctilux were at least somewhat better, especially in terms of contrast and flare control. But I use the Canon for its "look"... and besides, there are many, many dollars standing between me and ever owning a Noctilux, whereas the Canon is reasonably accessible.
    "reasonably accessible" -- well, it was.... Hacker said he's willing to sell his on another forum, but won't give a price as he says it's too expensive.....

    i am a Noctilux lover but i think the Canon is gorgeous as well. now, it seems, i can afford neither.... sigh.

    back to my recalibrated C-Sonnar and looking for the 75mm Summilux, all the while with lust in my heart for two fast 50's i can't afford.

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    Re: Canon 50mm f0.95

    Actually, I think the Noctilux is a beauty while the Canon the beast (look wise).

    To Robert's earlier post. Yes, I would love to use a Noctilux. But, as Cam says, it may be unlikely. Your sample shots, Robert, they are familiar. Beautiful!

    Ranger, Thanks for your samples and the additional information.

    One other factor for some lenses to be more successful could be due to the matched modulation frequencies of the lenses and the sensor. The Canon lens (later used for c-mount CCD cameras). Higher and medium frequencies are better covered and not the lower ones- this helps with the digital capture but not film.

    So, in this respect, it would be very interesting if that rare person who has all the Noctiluxes, the Canon 50/0.95 and the new Noctilux 50/0.95 would do a comparison and report on their performances.

    Hacker, When are you getting your new Noctilux 50/0.95 (if you already do not have it)?

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