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    PRESS RELEASE
    NEW: THE LEICA M
    The perfection of digital rangefinder technology
    Solms, Germany (September 17, 2012) - Leica Camera presents a groundbreaking milestone in the nearly 60 year history of the Leica rangefinder system: The Leica M. Setting entirely new standards, the Leica M unites the ultimate in rangefinder precision with cutting edge digital technology. As the first camera to implement a newly designed CMOS image sensor and to feature additional focusing methods and functions such as Live View and Full HD video capability, it is the most versatile Leica rangefinder model ever. Remaining true to the legendary values of the M-System, the Leica M not only provides the advantages of rangefinder photography, but also for the first time, offers compatibility with Leica R legacy lenses. As with every innovation and development since the flagship line’s inception, the Leica M was created to capture fleeting moments of time and transform them into living history.
    The Leica M also marks the beginning of a new era in the Leica product naming policy. In future, Leica M and S model names will omit the number suffix to emphasize the enduring and long-term significance of the respective systems.
    In every respect, the new Leica M is the most innovative and versatile model the modern M-System has ever created. Looking to the future, the Leica M is the first in a long line of Leica rangefinder cameras to feature a completely new development in sensor technology; the Leica Max CMOS image sensor. This 24 MP, full 35 mm format sensor was designed and constructed in collaboration with CMOSIS especially for the camera and its use with M- and R-Lenses. This new development successfully transfers the characteristic advantages of CCD sensors, such as natural and brilliant color rendition and impressive reproduction of details, to a CMOS sensor.
    In combination with the high-performance Leica Maestro processor that is also employed in Leica S cameras, this new full format sensor guarantees maximum imaging quality and speed. Now, all elements in the image creation chain, from the lens to the image file, are under complete control of the Leica engineers. This guarantees the ultimate in imaging performance and quality. An additional highlight is the low power consumption of the components that, in conjunction with the particularly high capacity of the battery, ensures outstanding performance over a long period of use.
    In 1954, the launch of the M-System opened new horizons in reportage and artistic photography. Now at the dawn of a new era in the system’s technology, the Leica M offers a multitude of new features. The first of these are Live View and Live View Focus. Image composition can now take place in real time with the view of the subject through the lens. The sharpness, exposure and color content of images can now be precisely assessed on the camera’s large, 3-inch, high-resolution monitor screen with 920,000 pixels. The glass covering plate of the monitor screen is manufactured from particularly tough and scratch-resistant Corning®Gorilla®Glass. The new Live View function allows photographers to have access to entirely new opportunities that, in combination with the outstanding performance of Leica M- and R-Lenses, go far beyond the classical capabilities of rangefinder photography. This applies particularly to macro and telephoto photography, but also allows even more discreet shooting. In combination with M- and R-Lenses, the camera’s new 1080p Full HD video capability also opens up further opportunities to record memories as they happen.
    Ever in pursuit of capturing Henri Cartier-Bresson’s “Decisive Moment,” the Leica M offers two additional focusing methods that can be activated quickly and easily with the new focus button. M-Photographers now have even more options for capturing outstandingly sharp images. The new ‘Live View Zoom’ option enables up to 10 x magnification for precise assessment of the sharpness of subject details or the close focusing limit. The second aid to focusing is ‘Live View Focus Peaking’. Here, contours in the subject are automatically displayed as red lines to allow simple and convenient focus assessment. Focusing precision can be assessed on the basis of the intensity of the lines displayed.
    The Leica M’s features are optimally combined with the typical values of the Leica rangefinder system and guarantee the accustomed dependability of the Leica M in all photographic situations, from available light photography to discreet and aesthetic fine-art image composition. In line with the principles of the M-Philosophy, all functions and features are designed and constructed for absolute robustness and a long working life. The top deck and the base plate of the Leica M are machined from solid brass blanks and the full-metal chassis is a completely self-contained diecast element manufactured from high-strength magnesium alloy. Special rubber seals protect the camera body against dust, spray and moisture.
    The new rangefinder camera is also a typical M due to its intuitive handling concept with direct manual setting options and fast access to functions. The enhanced layout and particular user-friendliness of the menu interface guarantees a clear and uncomplicated overview of all camera settings at all times.
    Dedicated button controls have been provided for the Live View and new focusing functions. Live View Zoom and Live View Focus Peaking can be selected with the new focus button on the front of the camera. User profiles can be programmed with any camera and shooting settings, stored under an arbitrary name. They can be accessed quickly whenever required for particular situations and can now also be saved to an SD memory card. For increased comfort in use and harkening to the film advance lever of Leica film cameras, the Leica M now provides an ergonomically formed thumb rest with an integrated setting dial at the top right on the back of the top deck. This ensures that the camera can be held securely in even the most demanding situations.
    A wide range of optional accessories is also available for the new Leica M. A particular highlight of the range is a new Leica R-Adapter M that allows almost all R-Lenses ever built to be mounted on the camera. The use of Leica R-System lenses now opens up vast new possibilities for zoom, telephoto and macro photography.
    Further accessories are the Leica EVF2, Visoflex electronic viewfinder and a multifunctional handgrip-M with an integrated GPS module that, in combination with optional finger loops in various sizes (S, M and L), helps to ensure safe and steady handling of the camera and lens system. The range also includes a Leica Microphone Adapter set for perfect sound with video recordings.
    The Leica M will be available from Leica dealers, including the Leica Store Washington DC, in early 2013 in a choice of black paint or silver chrome finish.




    LEICA M

    Unique Product Name:
    LEICA M (Typ 240), black paint
    LEICA M (Typ 240), silver chrome
    Camera type:
    Compact digital view- and rangefinder system still and video camera
    Lens mount:
    Leica M bayonet with additional sensor for 6-bit coding
    Lens system:
    Leica M lenses, Leica R lenses with optional Leica R-Adapter M
    Top Cover:
    Milled brass top cover with integrated thumb rest
    Material:
    All-metal case made of die-cast magnesium; synthetic leather covering. Cap and base plate made of brass
    Image Sensor:
    LEICA MAX 24 MP CMOS Sensor
    Number of effective Pixels:
    24 Million Pixels
    Sensitivity range:
    ISO 200 – ISO 6400, Pull 100 available, Auto ISO
    Imaging Platform:
    Integrated imaging circuit with Leica Maestro® Image processor
    Electronic Viewfinder:
    Optional available, can be used for Live View and Play functionality
    LCD Monitor:
    3” TFT Display with 920.000 Pixels, scratch resistant cover glass (Corning®Gorilla®Glass)
    Shutter:
    Dual type focal plane shutter for classic image exposure and Live view
    Shutter Speed:
    1/4000s – 60s (in Bulb), 1/180s flash synchronization
    Burst rate:
    3fps
    Self timer:
    2s / 12s
    Storage Media :
    SD / SDHC / SDXC Memory Cards
    Imaging functions
    Image File Format:
    DNG™ (RAW data uncompressed or lossless compressed), JPEG
    File Size:
    DNG approx. 20 Mbyte – approx. 30 Mbyte (compressed)/ 48.2 MByte (uncompressed), JPEG: Resolution and image content dependent
    Available JPG Resolutions:
    5952px*3976px (24 MP), 4256px*2832px (12 MP)/ 2976px*1984px (6MP) / 1600px*1080px (1,7MP)
    Color Spaces:
    sRGB / Adobe®RGB
    White Balance:
    Auto / Daylight / Cloudy / Shadow / Tungsten / Fluorescent warm /Fluorescent cool / Flash / Manual (Greycard) / Kelvin 2000-13100
    Other functions:
    Film Modes, Saturation, Contrast, Sharpening
    Movie recording
    Movie Recording:
    Single frame video compression (Motion JPG), Quicktime format (mov)
    Movie resolution:
    1080p, 720p, 640*480 (VGA)
    Movie sampling rate:
    25 fps, 24 fps, 30 fps (VGA only)
    Microphone:
    Mono, stereo microphone adapter optional available
    Audio recording:
    Auto level adjustment, manual level adjustment (available while recording), concert preset
    Exposure Control
    Exposure Metering:
    In classic viewfinder mode: Through the Lens (TTL) metering, center weighted with variable aperture.
    In Live View and advanced viewfinder mode: Through the Lens (TTL) metering, center weighted, spot or multifield measuring.
    Center-weighted TTL metering for flash exposure with system conformant SCA-3000/2 standard flash units.
    Exposure setting:
    Manual shutter speed setting with direct dial, A-Mode with direct dial
    Exposure Modes:
    Automatic shutter speed (A-Mode), Manual Exposure (M-Mode)
    Exposure:
    Compensation:
    -3 EV to +3 EV, 1/3 f-stops
    Exposure Bracketing:
    3/5 frames, 0.5 / 1 / 2 / 3 f-stops
    Flash exposure Control
    Flash exposure metering:
    Control with center-weighted TTL pre-flash metering (with SCA-3501/3502 adapter, or SCA-3000 standard flash unit such as Leica SF
    24D/Leica SF 58).
    Hot shoe:
    SCA-3502 compatible hot shoe, with center contact
    Flash Synchronization:
    Optional triggered at first or second shutter curtain
    Flash Synch time:
    1/180s
    Viewfinder / Focusing
    Focusing Methods:
    Manual focus with optical rangefinder, Live View, 100% Live View Zoom, Live View focus peaking
    Optical Viewfinder:
    Large, light bright-line rangefinder with automatic parallax compensation, LED illuminated frame lines.
    Optical Viewfinder frame lines:
    Framelines size matches image sensor size at 2m focusing distance
    Optical Viewfinder correction:
    Eyepiece adjusted to -0,5 dpt. Corrective lenses from -3 to +3 dpt. available (optional)
    Optical Viewfinder
    Magnification:
    0.68x
    Optical Viewfinder
    Displays:
    In the viewfinder LED symbol for flash status (at bottom). Four-digit seven-segment LED digital display, brightness adapted to ambient conditions, for: Warning in case of exposure correction; display of automatic shutter speed in automatic mode; advisory indicating use of metering memory lock LED exposure monitor with two triangular and one central circular LED with manual exposure setting
    Rangefinder:
    Split or superimposed image range finder shown as a bright field in the center of the viewfinder image
    Rangefinder effective metering
    Basis:
    47.1 mm (mechanical metering basis 69.25 mm x viewfinder magnification 0.68 times)
    Others
    Start up time:
    <1s
    Power Supply:
    Li-ion battery (included), 7.4V, 1800 mAh
    Horizon:
    Yes
    User Profiles:
    4 Profiles, exportable
    Sensor cleaning:
    Dust detection, manual cleaning function
    Tripod Thread:
    A 1/4 (1/4") DIN made of stainless steel in base plate
    Dimensions:
    approx. 139 x 42 x 80 mm (5.5 x 1.7 x 3.1 in.)
    Weight:
    680 g (23.9 oz)
    Operating Temperature:
    0°C – 40°C
    Menu languages
    English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Japanese, Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese
    Accessories Included
    Battery, Charger with power cables for EU and USA (different in some export markets), 12V charging cable, Carrying strap, Accessory port cover, Body cap
    Software licenses
    Supplied:
    Adobe® Lightroom®
    New optional accessories:
    Electronic Viewfinder (EVF-2), Multifunctional Handgrip M, Handgrip M, SCA Adapter Set for Multi-functional Handgrip M, Power Adapter for Multi-functional Handgrip M, Finger loop for Multi-functional Handgrip M, Size S / M / L, Leica Microphone Adapter Set, Leica M-Adapter R, Ever-Ready Case M, Li-ion Battery BP-SCL2, Battery charger BC-SCL2
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    Availability is scheduled for early 2013 with a retail price of $6,950 in the US and £5100 in the UK.
    (source: dpreview)
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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Nice that they kept the price about the same... can't wait to see some image samples from the new CMOS sensor. I'm slightly relieved... a few more lenses should be enough to keep my GAS down
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    Am I sick if I suggest that the spec sheet is pretty close to that of a just-announced Nikon D600? Same Sony-sourced sensor, Liveview, video, blah blah blah. Of course, the rangefinder is very different from autofocus, but that does not affect IQ. Lenses will be the only real differentiator in terms of IQ. And the price is going to be mildly different, methinks...

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by philber View Post
    Am I sick if I suggest that the spec sheet is pretty close to that of a just-announced Nikon D600? Same Sony-sourced sensor, Liveview, video, blah blah blah. Of course, the rangefinder is very different from autofocus, but that does not affect IQ. Lenses will be the only real differentiator in terms of IQ. And the price is going to be mildly different, methinks...
    It isn't a Sony sensor.

    See: Leica M - die Wünsche wurden erhört | photoscala

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    A very sensible product offering ( no, not the x2!! ). And sensible pricing, for a Leica.

    The M is very interesting to me. Shall wait for some friends to give us their reports and show us some samples from the new CMOS sensor.

    Well done Leica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philber View Post
    Am I sick if I suggest that the spec sheet is pretty close to that of a just-announced Nikon D600? Same Sony-sourced sensor, Liveview, video, blah blah blah. Of course, the rangefinder is very different from autofocus, but that does not affect IQ. Lenses will be the only real differentiator in terms of IQ. And the price is going to be mildly different, methinks...
    Just mistaken, methinks.

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    I find a couple of things very useful:

    1. Allowing the use of a flash when an EVF is attached!

    2. One can use a cheaper Olympus EVF (same as the X2)!

    Overall, quite nice!

    Check this out: http://vimeo.com/49464083
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    Just what my aging eyes need. I am happy this is incremental and happy they have done live view for when you need it. I've put myself on my dealer's list.
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    "Electronic Viewfinder:
    Optional available, can be used for Live View and Play functionality"

    like that used in the Nex 5?

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    Beside the concept that one might own a leica camera as a value in itself, I don't see any differentiator that warrants the high price of the camera. First of all, it seems to be a CMOS full-frame sensor like most other sensors you can find nowadays in 2k USD cameras (D3x, D600, Sony 24MPx cameras etc.) so unlike at the time when the M9 came out, it isn't as astonishing. I would've suspected a 30+ sensor here for the 7k USD price point.

    Secondly, if Sony comes out with a NEX that has interchangeable lenses, i.e. an RX1 variation, then Leica has NO differentiator whatsoever besides the brand or looks.

    I bet that in 2013 we will see a more compact sony 24 MPX Nex that will take Leica M glass via adapter and even R glass via Leicas adapter attached to an M adapter.

    If the RX1 is a hint as to the size of such a new camera, it will have the advantage of even smaller dimensions. I bet the price point will be around 2500 USD to 3000 USD.

    So basically 7k buys us pretty mundane spec sheet in photokina 2012 world but with a nice package.

    The M9 still has a ccd sensor which arguably has its own look, so in a sense this new product is nice but not WOW.
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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    I think the M-E is more WOW to me than the M

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    I think the M-E is more WOW to me than the M
    Why?

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    my first thoughts...
    in one way Leica listened to customers (live few, focus peaking, soluting for R-lenses)
    my second thought...the simplicity of the M3-M9 is gone because they tried to pack too much in it. Even if the Leica tele R glass is great I would prefer a Nikon D4 or EOS D1xxx with a fast AF Tele lens for fast AF and for a balanced handling between body and lens.
    But then they still offer the ME for the purist.
    I am interested to see how both products will sell.
    I dont feel the need to upgrade from my M9/MM any time soon.
    Strangest thing is that from my stomach the "x2-neon" looks fun to me.

    PS: I dont like giving up the number in the name. It is giving up a long tradition. It is a one time cool announcement...we finally present the "M" or the "S" but thats it.short term marketing effect IMO.
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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Why?
    for me it comes down to 1 thing

    Price

    ok 2 things , I have no desire to shoot video

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    The prices are still Leica prices, but at least they didn't go up exponentially again.

    The new M looks like they've actually listened to photographer's needs and responded as they can. The real question is going to be how the new sensor compares to the competition. The lack of stupid-high ISOs like 12,800 and up probably won't be an issue to real photographers, especially with f/1.4 lenses. If it delivers a clean 3200 and a decently usable 6400, I think a lot of Leica users will be satisfied.

    Or should I say, "a lot of Leica users who can afford it will be satisfied."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    for me it comes down to 1 thing

    Price

    ok 2 things , I have no desire to shoot video
    video without IS and AF...maybe good for pros

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    This is 5mm thicker than the M-E/M9, also 100g heavier. Not sure how it feels handheld.

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    It certainly is a very good step in the right direction. NOW the question is, if this "3rd" party CMOS can deliver similar quality we are used to from Sony or Canon. I really hope so, but I have my doubts when it comes to DR and Noise.

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    This camera is right on target for me. Next year or the year after. No need to rush, my M9 is still practically new.

    But: Yes, thank you for listening, Leica.

    Now about that CL Digital... ;-)
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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    * The fatter, heavier aspect is a bummer.
    * Long term suffering from Stockholm syndrome means I think the pricing is reasonable.
    * Video I don't care about but don't mind either, unless it is in some way responsible for the extra heft.
    * The EVF is vital to me: I sold my M9 because I was sick of lenses and bodies going out of whack with each other. But I really wanted an in-body EVF: the 'mansard' style roof extension is ungainly and is likely to require a separate power-off switch.
    * Other stuff as options (GPS etc) great if you need them, nice not to pay for them if you don't. I don't.


    I was about to pre-order and then I thought twice. This one I will wait out to see if the IQ is great. IMHO the only reason to stick with Leica M now that it is fatter and more complicated is the ability to use Leica glass: that is the one thing that no one else does better, which is why I still own all mine... and most of it doesn't play well with NEX or MFT cameras with adaptors because of the micro lens issue.

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    I just read the brochure. It is not made explicitly clear whether or not the focus peaking and zoomed view are shown in the EVF. I assume they are but it would be good to get that confirmed...

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Yeah,
    Not enough data on the focus peaking.
    If only via lcd then it solves the tripod issue
    if it requires the evf for eyelevel use (and that is not clear) then that makes it useless as far as I am concerned. I HATE EVFs unless they have something completely unusual up their sleeve.
    Looking at the EVF hump makes me want to yell "Sanctuary"
    All I wanted was a tiny focus confirmation dot visible through the RF eyepiece.
    Maybe waiting for the M.next
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    Ooo I LOVE EVFs. I love them so much that if they made an M form factor camera with ONLY an EVF I'd snap it up... but better still a Fuji X100 style hybrid...
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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Ooo I LOVE EVFs. I love them so much that if they made an M form factor camera with ONLY an EVF I'd snap it up... but better still a Fuji X100 style hybrid...
    A X100 style is another matter. Yes, I LOVE it.
    Gimme one that takes M lenses and I am all over it.
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    I am a little bummed only 6400 but if it is good I can work with it. My biggest problem with the m9 was anything over 1600 but really 1250 was my hoped for limit with the m9. the M-E holds interest for me at all. I do liek the faster frame rate. 3 fps is nice. I do like the evf possiblity working with a 90 and 75 wiil be much nicer.

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Klein View Post
    The lack of stupid-high ISOs like 12,800 and up probably won't be an issue to real photographers, especially with f/1.4 lenses.
    ISO 12800 and up with an f/1.4 lens certainly has its appeal, especially with the kind of available-light handheld photography an M is ideal for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    ...
    Not enough data on the focus peaking.
    If only via lcd then it solves the tripod issue
    ...
    I'm certain that the EVF shows exactly what the LCD shows, just like it does on the X2 and the various Olympus models that use the same EVF. Can't imagine why it would be any different.

    The RF portion of the new M is the optical viewfinder/rangefinder with LCD framing overlays, like one of the special models had. A nice advance over the old mechanical framelines IMO.

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    ISO 12800 and up with an f/1.4 lens certainly has its appeal, especially with the kind of available-light handheld photography an M is ideal for.
    It's nice to have the camera see in the dark like that, but honestly I don't find myself really needing it all that much. ISO 3200 and 6400 even with the f/2.8 lens on the X2 seems to work darn well.

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    Re: THE NEW LEICA M Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Yeah,
    Not enough data on the focus peaking.
    If only via lcd then it solves the tripod issue
    if it requires the evf for eyelevel use (and that is not clear) then that makes it useless as far as I am concerned. I HATE EVFs unless they have something completely unusual up their sleeve.
    Looking at the EVF hump makes me want to yell "Sanctuary"
    All I wanted was a tiny focus confirmation dot visible through the RF eyepiece.
    Maybe waiting for the M.next
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    One other thing: max shutter is 1/4000th which isn't fast enough to shoot wide open in daylight, especially with the slowest pull ISO at 100...

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    in the video he mentions the dimensions are the same as the M9... I think
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    Hmmm 6mpx boost and a unproven CMOS chip. Sure the higher iso noise will be better but I'm with Bob just a damn green dot to confirm focus would make me think more on it . Honestly I need to read more on it and see what it can do but not sure I would buy it given the price in the M9 dropped and in the end may have the better look. The M9 does actually look better. Not what Leica fans want to hear but with CMOS at 24mpx one wonders if Nikon/canon or the new Sonys would be better. This may take 3 firmware updates to get it looking right.
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    This sounds about like what I wanted. I've been going to a lot of boards and it seems people are okay with paying over $3000 (with EVF) for a full frame point and shoot but paying twice as much for a full frame interchangeable camera with live view is too much apparently.
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    Pretty convincing video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    This may take 3 firmware updates to get it looking right.
    And with those guys that is about 21 months....

    Just saying....

    Actually I am a bit relieved that nothing from L at PKina has peaked my interest. The M9-P does look very good...not long before stocks are gone.

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    Pretty convincing video.

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    Much more convincing that any of the specs by themselves...hope the IQ is
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    This sounds about like what I wanted. I've been going to a lot of boards and it seems people are okay with paying over $3000 (with EVF) for a full frame point and shoot but paying twice as much for a full frame interchangeable camera with live view is too much apparently.
    Two entirely different cameras. BTW, a new M with a 35mm f/2 Cron will set you back over $10k. That is more than 3.5x the price of the RX1.

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    WOW. It's been five hours since Guy posted this and no one has mentioned that this new M can taKe R lenses with an adapter. So this is the R solution all of us R users have been waiting for. I'm guessing that the fact that this camera is called the M has cause all R users to give it a pass and not read the fine print.

    I'm speaking for myself as well here as I saw Guy's post when it first appeared, looked for an "R" connection and missed it. It's only because a friend in Australia sent me an email saying "I think this might be your solution, Lawrence" that I went back and read the specs more carefully.

    So it's $6950. Then, R users would need the R adapter and the viewfinder. I'm guessing 9K with both of these. My issue is that I also HATE EVF's, though my limited experience is with the Sony A77. I'll take an OVF any day... though the live view and focus magnification on the A77 is brilliant for stationary subjects.

    This sensor better be groundbreaking as I've been doing tests with the Sigma DP2M files and I'm seeing sharpness and IQ that compares favorably with medium format. Me needs to know if the new M has an AA filter and how much it will smear the image. I'm not in the least impressed with the new Cannon 1DX files due to the smearing at even low iso.

    Much as this "could" be the solution us R users have long been waiting for... the sensor and EVF are going to have to be significantly better than what already exists for me to sell my DMR some Leica glass to afford this hit.

    This is not a camera I'll consider until I've personally been able to download full res files and print very large.

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    Looks like the viewfinder got tweeked:
    - parallax compensatin for a distance of 2m (same as M8.2 instead of 0.7m on the M8, and 1m on the M9)
    - LED lit framelines like the M9 Titanium
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    Pretty convincing video.

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    The video looked quite jittery. Felt like it was dropping frames or something.

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    Much more convincing that any of the specs by themselves...hope the IQ is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Nice video, very instructive, and the camera seems like a well executed piece of work. This Mr. Dooley can't really match the fake British accent of Kai Wong though

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    The specs are on the Leica website.

    The M is thicker front to back, and about 85g heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Two entirely different cameras. BTW, a new M with a 35mm f/2 Cron will set you back over $10k. That is more than 3.5x the price of the RX1.
    Not really... I already have a 35 Summicron. The M is infinitely more versatile as well for me. Just saying people are saying this is overpriced when it's priced the same way the M9 was 3 weeks ago and offers so much more than the M9 on paper.

    Besides... It was more in response to people referring to the RX1 as the "Leica Killer." The consensus on the internet boards was that it is the precursor to the FF NEX (which may be true.) I don't know about that but it is a nearly $3500 point and shoot with an EVF. Mind you I'm sure it's a great tool for those looking for a pocketable FF single focal length camera but an M killer it is not.
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    brilliant piece of gear IMHO - can't wait to see some full size files. Love the live view and focus peaking - well done Leica.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeWee View Post
    The video looked quite jittery. Felt like it was dropping frames or something.
    Used too high a shutter speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Not really... I already have a 35 Summicron. The M is infinitely more versatile as well for me. Just saying people are saying this is overpriced when it's priced the same way the M9 was 3 weeks ago and offers so much more than the M9 on paper.

    Besides... It was more in response to people referring to the RX1 as the "Leica Killer." The consensus on the internet boards was that it is the precursor to the FF NEX (which may be true.) I don't know about that but it is a nearly $3500 point and shoot with an EVF. Mind you I'm sure it's a great tool for those looking for a pocketable FF single focal length camera but an M killer it is not.
    Cameras cannot be killed--they are inanimate objects. I really don't understand this competitive nature in photographers. Like marketing copy from manufacturers, I don't pay much attention to the hyperbola from pundits--I thought the Nex 7 was the Leica killer? (I wish people would make up their minds). I don't see neither the M nor RX1 as overpriced. But neither do I see them as equivalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Pretty convincing video.

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    Okay. It is knd of cool. Big big question I have is how GOOD is that EVF as that is a huge key for me since I don't really like them. Live view I do like though
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    Bob Wrote >>>"All I wanted was a tiny focus confirmation dot visible through the RF eyepiece."<<<

    Exactly!! That is what I had been hoping for since the original M8 was released. A small red dot showing focus confirmation inside the viewfinder was all that was needed as a simple effective means of indicating correct focus was achieved.

    Guy wrote>>>"I'm with Bob just a damn green dot to confirm focus would make me think more on it."<<<

    I'm sorry Guy, I was with you 100% of the way until you specified the focus confirmation dot in the viewfinder should be "green"! I've only seen red focus confirmation dots and to now change it to green is beyond what is acceptable in my opinion...LOL!! You're right though...something tells me a focus confirmation indicator would have been a good approach.

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