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    Don't drop your M8

    Beginning of my second of nine days in Prague and I dropped my m8.
    It fell on the vented corner of he 24mm's lens hood.
    The 24mm looks unscathed, but its focusing helical is completely jammed. It is set to a position so that it looks it might be ok if I hyperfocal at f/5.6 or so.

    At first the camera, which also looks completely unscathed, it now unable to meter correctly or to work the shutter correctly at speeds faster then 1/30.
    Taking off the lens, I can see that the shutter leaf with the white stripe is invisible, instead I see shutter blades with what appear to be a couple of pivot points or rivets. On faster speeds, the shot appears either completely dark or well exposed for a portion of the image, with the remainder masked. The slower the shutter speed, the more of the sensor is exposed.
    Looks like for the remainder of the trip I will use the Mark I eyeball meter and a 50mm summarit, since it is the only lens I have that will work with the 3 stop ND I am carrying so that I can get the shutter to 1/30 at f/16 in the sun.

    Note that I would have pulled out my backup body, but it hs been in New Jersey for the last seven weeks for a rangefinder tuning.

    <rant>
    Reliability calculations include all sorts of factors, including partial failures, whether there are backups available, and how resistant any component is to abuse. We used to use a figure of merit called A0 which stood for availability. That metric is the normalized portion of time a system was available factoring the mean time to failure and the mean time to repair including any parallel or serial failure components.
    So far, my only problem with Leica is that the MTTR is too long (it will be eight or more weeks for a simple rangefinder tune-up compared to six calendar days including shipping with Nikon for a repair of similiar magnitude. I am scheduled to go on the MOAB trip, but unless I get a couple of bodies back in time I will probably be shooting Nikon
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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    That stinksÖ both the drop (always a nasty feeling when that happens) and the maintenance turnaround issue Leica has these days.

    all the best an hope you can still bring back stellar pics regardless

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    Bob that just hurts, we will make sure though you have M8's for Moab. Not to worry there.
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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Ouch...my sympathies, I dropped my M8 recently, but fortunately everything survived 'cept the hood on the 21. Ther esure is a lot more to go wrong with an accidental spillage in these digi cameras.

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Do not drop ANY camera. Period...

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    Ouch, that canon sure looks worse for the fall than does my M8.
    Subject to my "LOMOised" M8's limitations, I was still able to get a few shots today such as this so it is not a total loss
    -bob

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Bob that just hurts, we will make sure though you have M8's for Moab. Not to worry there.
    Guy,
    Thanks for that. As long as Leica finishes body Nr1 and it comes back from NJ ok then I will be there with at lease one M8. I am glad that you will help back that one up.
    -bob

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    I will make sure we have extra M8s. Linda will have some plus I will ask leica for a loaner for the workshop.

    BTW if folks did not know Leica does support our workshops with Leica reps and demo gear for all our needs and are on site the whole time. Really a wonderful addition to the workshops is having them there. Great chance to try things out before putting money out to buy.
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    Hmmm... Fell into a ravine, I was bruised and scratched, but the M8 fell deeper: 1700 Euro....
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    Yea it hurts when this stuff happens . I had my moments . Dropped a Hassy into Lake Louise in Canada from a helicopter . Oh that was fun. LOL. Busted a 200 1.8 canon attached to some body i can't remember. I was lucky just the mount went south. This stuff happens and you just want to shoot yourself in the foot but you can't , it is just part of camera life.
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    When in Germany this summer with Guy, David Farkas et al, I dropped my black body with the 35 Lux on it. Rangefinder was trashed but luckily I was in Solms and Ralph Hagenauer, head of the Leica akademie, took them to the service dept and had them back to me by the end of the trip. (Thanks to David Farkas of Dalelabs for hand carrying them back to the U.S. to avoid customs issues!)

    Further on into the trip I had the 90 Cron in a pocket of my Domke vest (The pocket on the upper front of the vest). I bent over and out it came right onto the concrete. Aperture ring and focusing ring damaged. So back it went to Solms where it languished for almost three months waiting for parts.

    I just thought it was the fact that I had just turned 70 and had some major defects of my own. Now I am reading about you younger guys dropping your cameras as well. I hate it for you but there is a little bit of "I am not the only dropsy guy in the Leica world."

    Robert I really feel for you, especially as you are on a Ürip where imaging was one of the primary goals. See if you can find a VLux for rent somewhere in Prague and shoot away. My wife had one of Ralph's loaners in Germany and got some outstanding images.

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Quote Originally Posted by sisoje View Post
    Do not drop ANY camera. Period...
    There's dropping and then there's DROPPING!!!

    What did you drop this from? A bridge? Ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    There's dropping and then there's DROPPING!!!

    What did you drop this from? A bridge? Ouch!
    This was somebody else's camera... I just stole the image

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    i'm keeping my neck strap on

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisoje View Post
    Do not drop ANY camera. Period...
    Damn! This reminds me of the proverbial scene from a movie where the car door opens and a passing car rips the door off from its hinges. Iíve bumped my lens against a few obstacles and only now can I see that Iíve been blessed. Iím clumsy by nature so Iím overly careful any time I pick up my camera. For me the M8 is a retirement toy so I treat it with the care of a newborn although I realize itís always a possibility.
    Regards,

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    Ouch.. I dropped mine about 6 weeks ago dinging the screen, Everything else seemed to work fine. As painful as it was, it is scheduled to ship this week. Painful is not the word to describe Christmas without the M8... Perhaps excruciating...

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Got my first body back from NJ along with the 35/1.4
    Gosh it is good to have an M8 again!
    Turn-around time for a rangefinder adjustment was a mere 10 weeks of a 4-6 week estimate.
    I can hardly wait for the repair estimate for the one that I dropped destroying the shutter
    I couldn't help but take it out after it stopped snowing.

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    I lost a Konica T4 when a wide receiver, a safety and two other photographers all collied with me.

    I feel your pain.

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    I stopped at Green Lake near Whistler in Canada to take some shots and unzipped my Lowepro Rover backpack containing my M8 that was wearing a tasteful 35 'cron outfit, cracked the backpack in half ready to fish cameraphernalia out and put it down on a picnic table. I surveyed the grand scene in front of me - snow-capped mountains, clear-blue sky and sun clambering below the horizon only for my pleasure to be interrupted by the sound that can reduce grown men to tears.

    The cracked-in-two backpack had decided that it was too uncomfortable and had started to spring straight again, during which, the top end had made it past the edge of the picnic table and vengefully flung my M8 down onto the concrete apron beneath the picnic table. Gulp.

    The camera was hidden from view by the picnic table so my mind immediately warped into overdrive horror-mode and conjured up images of hideously twisted, dented metal and broken glass. Heart in mouth, I rounded the table to find the M8 lying on its head on the concrete and if cameras could show dazed expressions it would have had one.

    I picked it up but no tinkling sounds came from inside. Still unconsciously holding my breath I examined the camera and lens and to my amazement couldn't find a mark on them. I noticed that the lens cap was cracked and bruised and immediately feared the worst but there were no marks on the front element either!

    I've taken more than 5,000 shots with the M8 since, of which perhaps 25% were with the 'cron and I haven't noticed any negative effects. Phew. My only regret now is that I didn't buy a lottery ticket on the day.

    I don't put my backpack on picnic tables anymore.

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Dude View Post
    For me the M8 is a retirement toy so I treat it with the care of a newborn although I realize itís always a possibility.
    Regards,
    Baby's are resilient, but the M8 is fragile! Priorities!

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    Back when I raced bicycles, we used to say, "flesh heals, Campagnolo doesn't!"

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Here's hoping that Leica gets their service issues under control soon.

    I'll refrain from ranting about it, suffice it to say that it is deplorable and needs to be attended to swiftly ... as I know it is putting a number of people off the brand and affecting their sales.

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    Yes, I fully agree. At the moment I am reluctant to send in my camera, although I really need to, due to maze-artifacts around bright lights, as well as a sticky scroll wheel. The green streak from off-frame lights is also stronger than it should be, although I don't know if they have a proper fix for that yet. My buttons also still occasionally play games, although 1.110 was a big improvement.

    So I don't want to send it. I have a camera leather kit on my desk which I am dying to try out, but that is waiting too. Sigh.
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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Wow,
    Yesterday I received my repaired M8.
    Total turn around time was January 4 to January 29.
    I fully credit Linda of Leslie Sales in the improvement of turn-around times.
    My total LOMOZED M8 was returned to me all bright and shiny, and as far as I can tell fully functional, in 3.5 weeks.
    I think that it was a good deal, compared to today's upgrade announcement, For less than half the upgrade price I had the shutter replaced and the rangefinder aligned.
    Thank YOU Linda
    See you in Moab.
    -bob
    Last edited by Bob; 30th January 2008 at 16:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwfreund View Post
    Wow,
    Yesterday I received my repaired M8.
    Total turn around time was January 4 to January 29.
    I fully credit Linda of Leslie Sales in the improvement of turn-around times.
    My total LOMOZED M8 was returned to me all bright and shiny, and as far as I can tell fully functional, in 3.5 weeks.
    I think that it was a good deal, compared to today's upgrade announcement, For less than half the upgrade price I had the shutter replaced and the rangefinder aligned.
    Thank YOU Linda
    See you in Moab.
    -bob
    Linda was great with my lens coding as well so double kudos.

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    Now if only the camera remembered the date and time...
    Hmmm, back to NJ after MOAB.
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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Quote Originally Posted by rwfreund View Post
    Now if only the camera remembered the date and time...
    Hmmm, back to NJ after MOAB.
    -bob
    Try re-installing the firmware and a hard format of your SD card
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    Try using the "Reset" option on the menu.
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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Tried both including new firmware.
    Always starts up at just before midnight in 1969 on Dec 31.
    That was not a particularly good time for me and I don't need to be reminded.
    Nope, looks like the standby battery is not connected or wherever it is stored is shot.
    When I move the menu to change the time, it is displayed as "error" It looks like a bad value outside of what is a valid date and time is contained at the storage location.
    The rest of the camera settings seem to persist.
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    Hmm, I wonder if this is a variant of the battery reset problem. Try turning off the screen-auto-off and letting it sit on with an image displayed overnight. The inside battery as well as the regular one would get fully recharged, which should reset their status.
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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Sure acts as though its internal battery is just not hooked up.
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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Nope,Same issue after charge reset recharge discharge or whatever.
    This poor camera goes back to NJ when I get home from Moab.
    I just hope it comes back in time to go with me to China in April.
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    After the camera had been in daily use for a week, its clock began functioning again.
    spooky
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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    I suspect that maybe it took that long for the internal battery to recharge - ???
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    That seems excessive
    There should be a spec on that, besides it ought to survive on-off cycles when the main battery is installed even when the keep-alive battery is charging.
    -bob

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Maybe it was just too dang cold and needed to warm up?


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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    The DMR would behave that way when it was brand new. It took a few charge cycles before the internal battery would work.

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    I also applaud Linda and Jim for getting my rangefinder fix through Leica N.J in only a month.

    My problem continues however in that not all M8 owners are "connected" to such resources and they still get IMHO deplorable service from Leica N.J. I don't know if Robert Fisk left because he was so frustrated with the support he got from management to build a quality service function or whether he was a significant part of the problem. Having dealt with him 1 on 1 a number of times I believe it was the management support that bogged down and he just couldn't take the heat of being at the end of the spear with regard to all of the negative comments about his organization. Sorry if that was the case and a good guy went down with the ship. (The admirals and generals of course stay safely in their home areas to witness the destruction but not to be on the firing line themselves.)

    I love my M8's and lenses and love even more my R glass and look so forward to the R10 or whatever. But I would never be comfortable depending on Leica service to keep me, as a pro, in business. So the Nikon D3 is my workhorse of choice and the M8 is relegated to my personal shooting where income is not tied to the organization performance of the Leica corporation.

    They can still get it right and I hope they will. I would be glad to help as I have the requisite experience in the semiconductory industry to show how successful service orgazations are built.

    Probably will be seen as just a rant but trust me, that is the furthest thing from my mind

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    I also applaud Linda and Jim for getting my rangefinder fix through Leica N.J in only a month.

    My problem continues however in that not all M8 owners are "connected" to such resources and they still get IMHO deplorable service from Leica N.J. ...
    ... They can still get it right and I hope they will. I would be glad to help as I have the requisite experience in the semiconductory industry to show how successful service organizations are built ... Probably will be seen as just a rant but trust me, that is the furthest thing from my mind

    Woody Spedden
    Not a really a rant Woody, more a sobering and informed point-of-view.

    I am supervising a TV production and CGI edit in LA ... which I document with a M camera ... without half of the M8 gear I spent a small fortune on. It has been in service since December 3rd, 2007. My first wedding shoot is on March 1st, and I have no idea what-so-ever if I will even have it back by then. Depressing.

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    Re: Don't drop your M8

    Well it worked for a week and failed for a week, so it is in a box for a trip back to New Jersey.
    Flakiness can be real hard to fix, but I hope that the second time is the charm.
    -bob

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