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    Which 90mm for travel?

    i'm looking for a cheap and cheerful 90mm to travel with -- the lighter the better

    i don't often shoot at this focal length, but i've found myself wanting to play with a longer lens when i'm visiting my dad in Hawaii, etc... i'll likely be stopped down, so speed isn't an issue here.

    has anybody shot on the 90/4 Elmarit-C or Minolta equivalent? how about the 90/2.8 Thin Tele-Elmarit? any other options?

    (keep in mind that i have a 75 Summilux and a 90 Summicron Asph in my arsenal -- both too big, heavy, and expensive to want to risk travelling with.)

    thank you in advance!

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    I own the Canadian Tele-Elmarit-M 2.8 90mm and I am fully satisfied with this lightweight and tack-sharp lens. If you can get one, try it with your M-body (because I heard, that it is difficult, if not impossible, to calibrate this lens, if it is off - don`t know, if this is true).

    Here are some examples:









    P.S. I also own the Summicron 90mm pre-asph., which is often too heavy and therefore rarely used.



    P.S. I own the Summilux 90mm pre-Asph, which is often too heavy and seldom used.

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    thank you for those examples!

    can you tell me about the weight/size/length of the lens in comparison to others you own?

    this may sound silly that it matters, but i am travelling a *lot* and will be carrying my gear and computer on trains and planes, running through terminals in-between -- often for 20+ hours

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    thank you for those examples!

    can you tell me about the weight/size/length of the lens in comparison to others you own?

    this may sound silly that it matters, but i am travelling a *lot* and will be carrying my gear and computer on trains and planes, running through terminals in-between -- often for 20+ hours
    It doen't sound silly! For that reason I bought not only the Tele-Elmarit-M 2.8 90mm but also the Tri-Elmar 28-35-50mm and the Tri-Elmar 16-18-21mm. These three lenses in combination with one 1.4 lens like the Summilux-M 50mm Asph. for low-light is in my opinion the most versatile and light-weight kit.

    My Summicron-M 2.0 90mm weighs with front and rear cap and filter 536 grs. (10,7 cm long). The Tele-Elmarit-M 2.8 90mm weighs only 268 gr. (9,2 cm long).

    More information to 90mm lenses (and others) like lens reviews or forum discussions you can find on my large link list here:

    https://sites.google.com/site/wosims...iews-75mm-90mm

    Hope, this is helpful !

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Cam, I have a Minolta Rokkor-C 90/4 (not used nowadays). If you want to try, let me know.
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Cam, I have a Minolta Rokkor-C 90/4 (not used nowadays). If you want to try, let me know.
    ooh, Vivek, i see a play date in our future!

    let me talk to my other half and see if we can do a road trip... (he's off for a walkabout with his OMD since he's bored with me being housebound)

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    The Rokkor is about 1.7cm shorter than the 90/4 Elmar (3 element). The focus throw is also very short with the Rokkor. I think the exit pupil is also located closer to the sensor plane in the Rokkor compared to the Elmar.

    I can't say how they would perform on a M9/MM (since I never tried it) but I think, I would prefer the Elmar based on the image quality.

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    Hi Cam,

    I cannot think of a higher performing light weight ultra compact 90mm lens than the 90mm f4 Macro-Elmar. It's collapsible, if thats a consideration and from wide open at f4, it's spectacularly sharp, not all diffferent than the 90mm Cron AA when it's shot at f2 -f2.8 and a bit sharper than the Elamrit-M 90mm f2.8 at f2.8 (a fanatastic all around lens). It's bokeh is exceptionally good too, considering it is only an f4 lens. It won't win a prize for how it draws in terms of subtle "roundness" as the 75mm Lux or 90mm Cron pre AA do, but for travel, if you can deal with a max aperture of f4, it's ideal if not a bit slow in extending it out into shooting position.

    It's weights something like 225g and focuses down to .78 meters without the optional macro close-up eyes.

    Just one of a number of good options for compact travel 90mm lenses.

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Vivick, wosim, again, thank you for the replies... 90mm's are so hard!

    Dave, sigh, that would probably be the ultimate travel lens! i really would love a macro, too, but unfortunately it doesn't fit my budget at the moment

    there is a little trade show here in a couple of weeks and i'm planning on checking out the booths as i definitely understand that i need to check out the various lenses on my camera. the more input (info and opinions) i can get, the better!

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    I have the same M-Rokkor 90/4 that Vivek mentioned. It's tiny, light, and produces beautiful results.

    All of these:
    Tree Scenes - Guadalupe River Park
    (GXR) and all but one of these:
    M9 Squares 2012
    (M9) were made with it.

    A great lens that cost me $265 in mint condition.

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    How a lens handles and its overall size and feel are very important in my lens selection . The current Elmarit-M 2.8 is one of my favorite lenses for travel and street . I have settled on the 21/3.4SEM,28/2CRON,50LUX and the 90EM for a daylight kit . These are all 46mm filters and are similar in size and weight . This is a good light kit and produces beautiful color .
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    I have the Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 and love it. It's small (a bit longer than a 50 Lux), light, shares the typical 46mm filter size and is still a great bargain (even now that the price is about double what it was a year or two ago). Bonus if it's 6-bit coded, but not necessary. Mostly for EXIF data.

    Image wise, it's wonderfully sharp and contrasty from wide open and has a nice bokeh. The only lens that's better is the new APO-Summicron-M 90mm f/2. Which is larger, heavier and more expensive (and takes larger filters). As much as I wanted the extra stop, I find the Elmarit a better solution (for me).

    Elmarit-M 90mm f/2.8 sample photos
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    thank you, Godfrey, those look great, especially for the price

    Roger, thank you, but you're carrying more in your daylight kit than i want to take for the whole trip (day/night, indoor/outdoor, L.A./Maui and destinations unknown).

    the current Elmarit, whilst beloved by many, does not seem to be all that much smaller or lighter (am i mistaken in this?) that the APO Summicron, and it seems to be going for more than i was hoping to spend. it also seems a bit redundant in my kit since i do have the Cron.

    i will likely take one of my tiny 35mm pre-asphs and then weigh up the pros and cons of my 50's (E59 Nocti or BP 50 pre-asph Lux). the 90 will round it out. (and, if i go crazy for my old 21/3.4 SA, i might toss that in too as it's tiny and i'll eat my words by making it a 4 lens kit).

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    ah, Dave, just saw your post on the Elmarit-M so i guess i must be mistaken about the size and weight... hmmmm... off to look at your photos.

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    How about this, cam?

    Chrome makes it a bit heavier, but collapsible makes it small.

    My favorite is the 90/2.8 Tele Elmarit-M. Actually lighter than the 90/4 Elmar-C.

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Just an idea - you might also check the Zeiss Tele-Tessar 4/85 ZM lens. Slow but light....
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    My very small traveling lens kit: for GXR ...
    CV 21mm f/4
    M-Rokkor 40mm f/2 II
    M-Rokkor 90mm f/4

    for M9 ...
    CV Ultron 28mm f/2 (or CV Color Skopar 35mm f/2.5 to save on size/weight)
    CV Nokton 50mm f/1.5 ASPH
    M-Rokkor 90mm f/4

    Either of these lens kits produces lovely results, is very carryable and compact, and was very reasonably priced.

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    FWIW: note that both M-Rokkors have the same JIS 40.5mm filter thread. Makes filters much easier to come by, and cheaper, and they're the same size used by my Voigtlńnder Bessa III.
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    How about this, cam?

    Chrome makes it a bit heavier, but collapsible makes it small.

    My favorite is the 90/2.8 Tele Elmarit-M. Actually lighter than the 90/4 Elmar-C.
    gorgeous, Robert! it would amuse me to no end if my entire kit was chrome lenses now that i have a truly stealth black camera

    so the Tele Elmarit-M is different than the Tele-Elmarit... pfffft! more homework time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Just an idea - you might also check the Zeiss Tele-Tessar 4/85 ZM lens. Slow but light....
    never heard of this lens, so thank you. (you've still got me a bit obsessed with the size of that Macro-Elmar, though... sigh.)

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Here is the Rokkor 90mm f/4 on an E-P1. It is nice and small--the lens adapter has a larger diameter. And if it is not a focal length you do not use often, it is a great traveling companion.
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Another look at the size of the M-Rokkor 90:


    Helps to make it image directly in the thread... ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    so the Tele Elmarit-M is different than the Tele-Elmarit... pfffft! more homework time.
    Yep, one is skinny, one is fat.

    The Tele-Elmarit-M is the same size as a 90/4 Elmar-C or the Rokkor, and about 10% lighter. And a stop faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    thank you, Godfrey, those look great, especially for the price

    Roger, thank you, but you're carrying more in your daylight kit than i want to take for the whole trip (day/night, indoor/outdoor, L.A./Maui and destinations unknown).

    the current Elmarit, whilst beloved by many, does not seem to be all that much smaller or lighter (am i mistaken in this?) that the APO Summicron, and it seems to be going for more than i was hoping to spend. it also seems a bit redundant in my kit since i do have the Cron.

    i will likely take one of my tiny 35mm pre-asphs and then weigh up the pros and cons of my 50's (E59 Nocti or BP 50 pre-asph Lux). the 90 will round it out. (and, if i go crazy for my old 21/3.4 SA, i might toss that in too as it's tiny and i'll eat my words by making it a 4 lens kit).
    CAM

    The 90 elmarit-M is much smaller and lighter than the 90 sum micron asph . It similar to the 50 1.4asph just a little longer . It will fit in the pocket of my shirt . Its a 46mm lens so think of the diameter as being a little wider than the 46mm filter .

    There was a 90/2.8 tele elmarit that was smaller (39mm) and about half the cost of the elmarit-M . You can read about it on one of Puts reports . Its IQ is lower but like any Leica glass ..if you can stop down ..it will get the job done . I have given this lens some thought for the same reasons you mention . I would like to have a 90 with me even if its only used a small number of times .

    If I am using a small bag I don t find any difference between 3 or 4 lens . But on the street I frequently work with 3 lenses . I shoot with 2 bodies always and this allows me to have 2 lenses ready ..so with one body I would agree that 3 lenses is probably all I would use at one time.
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    This is a great summary of the options . I like the tele elmarit 90/2.8 based on your requirements . Less money ,much smaller and lighter . The key is you have to have it with you ...so size and weight matter .
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    This is a great summary of the options . I like the tele elmarit 90/2.8 based on your requirements . Less money ,much smaller and lighter . The key is you have to have it with you ...so size and weight matter .
    thank you, Roger. for all. and apologies if i sounded rude -- i am just so overwhelmed with all the choices (who knew?)

    i typically go out with one lens. period. i prefer to work with what i have, rather than dither over options... the only exception is if i *know* i will be out after dark, i usually take (lug) the Noctilux.

    as my other half has been jonesing to shoot my M9, he's agreed to carry it with one lens on it (can i give him the Nocti ) so it means i can, perhaps, be a bit more extravagant than usual (which has been only 2 lenses) for travel.

    back to the 90's, though... the prices seem to have gone through the roof, again! the Elmarit-M is definitely out of my price range and even the later Tele-Elmarit, it seems. sigh. (i don't usually scrimp on glass, but i bought the MM and am flat broke.)

    so, i think, it will be the luck of the draw... and, hopefully, i will find my cinderella travel slipper

    would love your more pics from people that show their lenses off (talking about images taken with the glass rather than how it looks on).

    ta!

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    As I already said, I can't say how the 90/4 Elmar renders on a M9 or the MM. I hope it will do well on the MM.

    Here is one using the 90/4 (3 element- on a NEX-6) on a very overcast day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    thank you, Roger. for all. and apologies if i sounded rude -- i am just so overwhelmed with all the choices (who knew?)

    i typically go out with one lens. period. i prefer to work with what i have, rather than dither over options... the only exception is if i *know* i will be out after dark, i usually take (lug) the Noctilux.

    as my other half has been jonesing to shoot my M9, he's agreed to carry it with one lens on it (can i give him the Nocti ) so it means i can, perhaps, be a bit more extravagant than usual (which has been only 2 lenses) for travel.

    back to the 90's, though... the prices seem to have gone through the roof, again! the Elmarit-M is definitely out of my price range and even the later Tele-Elmarit, it seems. sigh. (i don't usually scrimp on glass, but i bought the MM and am flat broke.)



    so, i think, it will be the luck of the draw... and, hopefully, i will find my cinderella travel slipper

    would love your more pics from people that show their lenses off (talking about images taken with the glass rather than how it looks on).



    ta!
    Quick check of prices . Try Camera West ,Igor Cameras and KEH..plus eBay completed listings and you will understand the market prices . I hate to buy used M lens that show wear . Consider the downtime if you got a lens that needed work. The FAT tele elmarits are popular because of the beautiful classic mounts ...but the tests all show the newer tele elmarit is a better performer and its smaller and lighter . Best of luck ..heck with a trip like you have planned how can you miss.
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    Quick check of prices . Try Camera West ,Igor Cameras and KEH..plus eBay completed listings and you will understand the market prices . I hate to buy used M lens that show wear . Consider the downtime if you got a lens that needed work. The FAT tele elmarits are popular because of the beautiful classic mounts ...but the tests all show the newer tele elmarit is a better performer and its smaller and lighter . Best of luck ..heck with a trip like you have planned how can you miss.
    i'm actually okay with buying lenses with signs of wear (most of mine are pre-loved), but i know with a 90mm you really need to try it out and be able to get focus on your camera.

    i actually fell in love with a pristine FAT Tele-Emarit at a show outside Paris a few years back. it focused perfectly on my camera (i think the R-D1 at the time?) and felt beautiful in my hands. when i heard the price, though, i put it down. i wanted to use it, not fondle it or put it in a cupboard.

    i've gone back and looked at images i shot with the 90mm in Maui before (yes, it always sucks to go visit my father ) and think i know what i'm looking for in a lens. i think the Macro-Elmar would be perfect, sigh, even without the macro capabilities. (too bad the old collapsible doesn't work with digital bodies.)

    again, this has been a real informative thread for me, so thank you all!

    keep sharing images. it will really help when i go look at lenses at the show. it's also helped me realise that i don't need to jump into a purchase if i don't find good glass immediately.

    i can always go with the classic 28-50-90 and lug my Cron this time since it still needs to be calibrated by the mothership and see if i really love the 90 FOV...

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    I use the ZM 85/4. Highly recommended.
    M262 ZM 25/2.8 35/1.4 50/2 85/2
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    I use the ZM 85/4. Highly recommended.
    tell me (and show me) more! i've found very little on the web...

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    Cam wrote--->>>"i think the Macro-Elmar would be perfect, sigh, even without the macro capabilities."<<<

    That's why I initially recommended it (above), prior to learning that there were budgetary considerations (something that I'm always up against too). Even when kept in it's extended shooting configuration, it ticks off virtually all the right boxes for travel and optical performance.

    So many other good recommendations in this thread for 90's and I've also heard good thinkgs about the Zeiss 90mm f4 as expressed by others here, but haven't shot with it.

    ***There is a nice 90mm f4 collapsable that was just listed on RRF for $400 but not sure if this lens is one of those that shouldn't be collapsed when mounted on a M8/M9? I also have no experience with this particular model 90 and how it performs.

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    thank you, Dave! i try not to scrimp on my optics but have to this time, especially as i need to pick up an MBA as well to lighten my travel lode... i will blame you, however, if i become obsessed with that one

    the collapsable for sale is the one Monza showed above. just gorgeous! unfortunately, i've read that there is an issue and that you can't collapse it into a digital M body. you can use it open but, if you collapse it in a moment of brain fog (something i'd likely do), i think you can really mess up the inner workings.

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    Rockwell says he's collapsed it into his M9, for what that is worth. I don't have an M9 here to try with the lens as shown on my M6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    thank you, Dave! i try not to scrimp on my optics but have to this time, especially as i need to pick up an MBA as well to lighten my travel lode... i will blame you, however, if i become obsessed with that one

    the collapsable for sale is the one Monza showed above. just gorgeous! unfortunately, i've read that there is an issue and that you can't collapse it into a digital M body. you can use it open but, if you collapse it in a moment of brain fog (something i'd likely do), i think you can really mess up the inner workings.
    You're most welcome and fully understand your reasoning (and logic ). Funny, when you wrote as one of your reasons you may need to scrimpt a little on optics this time is due to your need to pick up an MBA...first thing I thought of is hmmm, picking up a "MBA" (Masters Degree in Business Administration) should eventually provide more funds for lenses, not less! Talk about brain fog (on my part). Illustrates that I'm also a PC centric guy not Mac!

    I also heard what Monza mentioned, that if done carefully, the 90 f4 (the one on RRF) can safely be collapsed in a M9, but unless this can be demonstrated with absolute certainty, I'd too would be cautious. Just from the look of it's extended barral, compared to the 90 f4 macro, it most definitely looks substationally longer.

    *** I didn't mention the Emarit-M 90mm f2.8 (the last version with built in sliding hood)...as so many others in this thread and elsewhere have sung it's praises...all richly deserved. A lens that a bit gentler than the AA for portrait work when shot wide open but virtually as stunning as the AA stopped down.

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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Yes, I wouldn't trust a full collapse. There are ways to collar the barrel to prevent this, but it's probably best to just pick up a 90/4 Elmar-C or Rokkor in that case.
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    Re: Which 90mm for travel?

    Based on your opening question-get either: 1.) the 2.8 Elmarit-M or 2.) the 2.8 Tele-Elmarit. I own 2 copies of each and love them. Also had Leica 6 bit code them all. #2 is the lightest. Suggest if you get this one get a lens hood like the one that comes with the current 90/4 which I also own and love.
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