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    How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Any word on how well the M Monochrom is selling? From the Leica dealers I've contacted in the US they seem to still have quite a big waiting list. I have a feeling this camera is doing pretty well for them.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    I've been on a wait list since Oct 27th here in Canada... I think it is selling well enough, but they are certainly taking their time getting them made. I was one of the naysayers when the Monochrom rumours came out, never imagining that they would build it. Glad they did and the files - from what I've seen - are amazing.

    Maybe they were not aggressive enough in their forecast or maybe they want the carrot to dangle for a while, but I might get a new M before the Monochrom even shows up. And if happy, might cancel the Monochrom order...

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    I had two and sold one of them in a day. They are not easy to find. I was at Photokina with mine in September 2012 and even the Leica employees then said they had not seen one in a consumer's hand before mine.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    About 40-50 a week made and sold, I understand.
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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Unless they had a largish supply at launch (I got mine in August) that would mean that there are only about 1500 in existence?

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiaroscuro_NZ View Post
    Unless they had a largish supply at launch (I got mine in August) that would mean that there are only about 1500 in existence?

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    Never thought about it that way and in those small numbers. Are we lucky or what?

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    Took me 6 months to get mine. Got mine in late Nov. Love it and feel very lucky to have it.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    They are over 700 backordered as of last week according to my sources.

    As luck would have it....I have a surprise shipment, a new one is available...drop me a PM.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    So 700 units means about 14 weeks of backorders or slightly more than 3 months. That actually sounds better.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    The one that arrived today was ordered last May.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    I've been in four different Leica stores in China recently and all had the Monochrom in stock. It doesn't seem to be as in demand here as in other parts of the world. A friend of mine in Hong Kong bought one from a dealer at a discounted price.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Quote Originally Posted by StephenPatterson View Post
    I've been in four different Leica stores in China recently and all had the Monochrom in stock. It doesn't seem to be as in demand here as in other parts of the world. A friend of mine in Hong Kong bought one from a dealer at a discounted price.
    It seems like Leica is giving priority to the Asian markets, probably because they see a great future potential here. In Bangkok, many products that are considered "impossible" to find, can be bought off the shelf in Bangkok.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Just to be clear the stores I was referring to were all Leica "factory" stores. The grey market dealers in Hong Kong always have the newest and latest, at a substantial premium, purchased from the far corners of the globe.

    Most Chinese and asian Leica users I have talked with a much more excited about the M240 than the Monochrom, but this is just my own observation.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    All the EU shops (including the local boutique) i contacted do not have one to sell. If am not keen on getting one i would not go near any of them. This is the only digital M that has no color issues.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    This is the only digital M that has no color issues.
    Hmm, are you certain it doesn't after the additon of the "color seperation filters? (in an additive fashion)...LOL! So as we see, the monochrom can be just as much a color camera, as the M9 is a B&W one ....with possibly some of the associated isssues we've all come to love

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Hmm, are you certain it doesn't after the additon of the "color seperation filters? (in an additive fashion)...LOL!
    I am certain. Can't be lugging a filter wheel and anchor the subjects to a granite boulder all the time.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    great to see they are selling all they can make!

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    I agree , I see them for sale all the time at the Camera market here in Shanghai. I don't think there was much of a premium on them either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenPatterson View Post
    Just to be clear the stores I was referring to were all Leica "factory" stores. The grey market dealers in Hong Kong always have the newest and latest, at a substantial premium, purchased from the far corners of the globe.

    Most Chinese and asian Leica users I have talked with a much more excited about the M240 than the Monochrom, but this is just my own observation.
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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    It's interesting to see how the Mono sells and resells after the M240 comes out. All the reviews indicate that the new M has B&W capabilities similar to that of the Mono. Perhaps other than true purists it's hard to justify a Mono purchase going forward... but again, it's designed for purists.

    I'm interested to hear what other Mono owners are thinking. Would you trade yours in for the new M? If many of us think that way it will create a glut and lower the resell value. I think Leica will decrease the production for Mono even further after the new M comes out, it'll be come a truly unique cult item, like the Phase Archromatic.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    It's interesting to see how the Mono sells and resells after the M240 comes out. All the reviews indicate that the new M has B&W capabilities similar to that of the Mono. Perhaps other than true purists it's hard to justify a Mono purchase going forward... but again, it's designed for purists.

    I'm interested to hear what other Mono owners are thinking. Would you trade yours in for the new M? If many of us think that way it will create a glut and lower the resell value. I think Leica will decrease the production for Mono even further after the new M comes out, it'll be come a truly unique cult item, like the Phase Archromatic.
    I'd imagine that there are those who will sell but I think the hardcore won't... Unless they come out with a M240 based version (as long as the base ISO isn't 400.)
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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    It's interesting to see how the Mono sells and resells after the M240 comes out. All the reviews indicate that the new M has B&W capabilities similar to that of the Mono. Perhaps other than true purists it's hard to justify a Mono purchase going forward... but again, it's designed for purists.

    I'm interested to hear what other Mono owners are thinking. Would you trade yours in for the new M? If many of us think that way it will create a glut and lower the resell value. I think Leica will decrease the production for Mono even further after the new M comes out, it'll be come a truly unique cult item, like the Phase Archromatic.
    I seriously doubt I will ever trade my Monochrom for the new M, may be that will be the case for the my M9-P, I will see.
    The simple fact that the Monochrom file does not have to go through the demosaicing and filtering algorithms gives to it a rendering that in my view is subjectively superior and certainly unique.
    I was reluctant before, because I thought that missing the RGB information was going to be a serious limitation in the post processing, but I found afterwards that this is really not the case.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    I hope that's the case too! need to compare it myself.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    With Ming's positive review of the M 240 especially with the comment that B&W files are nearly on the M Monochrom level, it will be interesting to see if demand for the Monochrom tapers off some especially since the M240 is less expensive.

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    Re: How well is the M Monochrom selling?

    The Monochrom is and always will be a niche product. For the vast majority of people, it makes more sense to buy a color camera and convert. That was and won't change now. We all knew that the M240 would bring better performance but I was actually pleasantly surprised that for pure B&W shooting the Monochrom still will be king. ISO performance goes up to 10000 in normal mode vs. 6400 as a "push" option in the M240. That's a big difference.

    The biggest thing however is that there is a fundamental difference in experience using a B&W camera. I'd guess that it's hard to understand but shooting with a color camera in B&W mode you always have that crutch to fall back on. Shooting with a Monochrom camera is really one for "purists" but it's almost an emotional response that one gets with it. I'd recommend someone rents one really before dropping huge money on it.

    The M240 reviews are very favorable, but the Monochrom still holds some considerable advantages in some areas over it. There are trade offs for sure, but such is life. I wouldn't trade in my Monochrom until the next "Monochrom" is released!

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