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    Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    HI there

    Here's my piece on the new Leica - I hope you enjoy it.

    Testing the M(240)

    all the best

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Very nice article Jono. And superb accompanying photographs.
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Excellent article and excellent photos

    All the best.
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    Really enjoyed reading!!!

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    Jono gave a very humanist feel for using the camera in everyday shooting...not something that's easy to do. It has a nice balance of the technical as well as emotion aspects shooting with it. Nicely done Jono!

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    Good read. I saw it earlier but forgot to comment (read: I took a nap after reading but not because it was boring.)
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Jono:

    Excellent review and I particularly enjoyed the image gallery. To be honest, I looked at the pictures first, then read the text You have a great eye and the M suits your style.

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Okay, this might be a dumb question, but why is everyone saying that the M240 is the world's first FF interchangeable lens mirrorless camera? Wasn't the M9 the first one?

    "The First Full Frame Interchangeable lens Mirrorless Camera"

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    Jono:

    Excellent review and I particularly enjoyed the image gallery. To be honest, I looked at the pictures first, then read the text You have a great eye and the M suits your style.
    Oh! Thank You! You couldn't say anything nicer - I'm much more concerned with my pictures than my writing!

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Really nice article. It is a refreshing style in terms of the writing and photography from the facts-only approach of a DPreview and a no-facts-only approach of a Rockwell.

    I do take exception to the comment about the Japanese throwing out the baby with the bath water, but that is because I know those folks and worked in that industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    I do take exception to the comment about the Japanese throwing out the baby with the bath water, but that is because I know those folks and worked in that industry.
    Well, I apologise - not a great remark - I was referring to the idea of starting from scratch with each new design - but I shouldn't have personalised it.

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well, I apologise - not a great remark - I was referring to the idea of starting from scratch with each new design - but I shouldn't have personalised it.

    all the best
    Hense the smiley. Did not take it personally. Now when MR goes on about "the suits" designing cameras in Japan... I did not wear a suit--I had a factory uniform. Kind of makes you look like a character from the Thunderbirds, but allows you to walk better. AND it was polyester, which is so easy to air out.

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Isn't the M9 mirrorless?
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI there

    Here's my piece on the new Leica - I hope you enjoy it.

    Testing the M(240)

    all the best
    Thank you for the informative write-up and photos. One question, if you have a moment: have you seen the new M camera put halos around streetlights in night-time shots? This is a problem I have seen with numerous CMOS-sensored cameras, even when an M lens is attached (e.g. NEX), but a problem I've never had with the M9. The night-time shot with the workers looks promising but perhaps inconclusive.

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by MPK2010 View Post
    Thank you for the informative write-up and photos. One question, if you have a moment: have you seen the new M camera put halos around streetlights in night-time shots? This is a problem I have seen with numerous CMOS-sensored cameras, even when an M lens is attached (e.g. NEX), but a problem I've never had with the M9. The night-time shot with the workers looks promising but perhaps inconclusive.
    I haven't noticed any halos - but I'm so rarely in lit streets at night (I guess the nearest streetlight to us is about 6 miles away!

    I'll have a look through if I get a moment and get back to you.

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    Haha, fair enough, count your blessings! Many thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I haven't noticed any halos - but I'm so rarely in lit streets at night (I guess the nearest streetlight to us is about 6 miles away!

    I'll have a look through if I get a moment and get back to you.

    all the best
    Halos are often linked to how the raw editor rolls off the highlights, maps tones and applies sharpening / noise reduction. Generally, I prefer Capture One, but when when it comes to the roll-off just before a clipped highlight, C1 is abrupt and induces hard edges that look digital. Generally, I do not like Lightroom, but in this particular area, its roll offs can be smoother, more complete without a harsh / abrupt clipping. Until the raw editors have the Leica SDK and color profiles implemented in LR, C1, etc., we probably won't be able to gauge these finer nuances.

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    Great stuff, Jono!
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    Well done mate!!

    Very best to you.
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by John Black View Post
    Halos are often linked to how the raw editor rolls off the highlights, maps tones and applies sharpening / noise reduction. Generally, I prefer Capture One, but when when it comes to the roll-off just before a clipped highlight, C1 is abrupt and induces hard edges that look digital. Generally, I do not like Lightroom, but in this particular area, its roll offs can be smoother, more complete without a harsh / abrupt clipping. Until the raw editors have the Leica SDK and color profiles implemented in LR, C1, etc., we probably won't be able to gauge these finer nuances.
    Ahhh - these were all processed with Aperture (we each have our own poison )

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Well done Jono ... lovely images. In the end, that's what it's all about. There are so many vehicles that a photographer can use to get to that end result. But it has to be a camera that mostly gets out of your way. Thanks for adding a few details about the discussions on the evolution of the design.

    The new 50mm summicron looks like it's a pleasure to use. It looks like it delivers such a high consistency.

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    Excellent report Jono ....hard work I know ...but you appear to be having quite a lot of fun in the process. Copenhagen,Venice etc .. LOL
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    ...I was referring to the idea of starting from scratch with each new design....
    Hey! From left to right--1966, Electro-Zoom X; 2003, Dimage Z1; 2012, Nex 7. And the Nex cameras sport the same grip as the Dimage 7 of 2001. Now that is tradition! You could argue they are throwing out the baby and keeping the bath water...
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI there

    Here's my piece on the new Leica - I hope you enjoy it.

    Testing the M(240)

    all the best
    Hey Jono,

    Read bits and pieces so far. Looking good!
    I'll try to read the rest of it later this evening.

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    An excellent read.
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Jono, I very much regard you as one of the people with regard to camera usage and as such your view is reflective of real world photography.

    Your comments, like those of Ming Thein, have excellent real world validity and are not full of complex and deep technical data as some others are.

    A typical user really wants know what do we gain over what we have now. It does seem the answer is not very much unless the live view, video and EVF is attractive.

    None of the bells and whistles have any attraction for me, and I'm sure for many others, and I may wait until the next iteration before releasing 5k for this beta version.

    By the way, your photos taken with the M are superb, but then so are your M9 photos.

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Hi There
    Thanks for the kind words about my photos.
    Quote Originally Posted by wuffstuff View Post

    A typical user really wants know what do we gain over what we have now. It does seem the answer is not very much unless the live view, video and EVF is attractive.

    None of the bells and whistles have any attraction for me, and I'm sure for many others, and I may wait until the next iteration before releasing 5k for this beta version.
    I think the bells and whistles rather obscure the real and radical advance over the M9 - just from a functional point of view it's a radical difference:

    much quieter and smoother shutter (quieter than an M6)
    faster processer
    weather sealing
    longer battery life
    better ergonomics
    more reliable SD card handling

    . . . . I could go on!

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    I felt it was a very short piece on the camera. The next one from Jono is going to be like this?

    "Buy this camera!"

    Always refreshing, Jono. I am not bothered to look at the other online "reviews" not just because I have no interest in buying the new M.
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    much quieter and smoother shutter (quieter than an M6)
    faster processer
    weather sealing
    longer battery life
    better ergonomics
    more reliable SD card handling
    All of the above should have been on the M9P.

    Anyway, apart from these things then, what did the Romans ever do for us?
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I felt it was a very short piece on the camera. The next one from Jono is going to be like this?

    "Buy this camera!"
    too easily pleased eh! You reckon I should be more verbose about it?
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    Always refreshing, Jono. I am not bothered to look at the other online "reviews" not just because I have no interest in buying the new M.
    Glad you enjoyed it. Have you got your MM yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuffstuff View Post
    All of the above should have been on the M9P.
    Maybe, maybe not. That's the nature of progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI there

    Here's my piece on the new Leica - I hope you enjoy it.

    Testing the M(240)

    all the best
    Sat down and read through the whole piece this morning. And looked at all your photos. Nicely done indeed, and as much as I'd need to know to ascertain my interest in the new M before going to see one in the flesh. I particularly like your take on seeing it as two cameras ... the latest in the long line of M rangefinder cameras, and first in a new tech world of Live View M cameras.

    (I would like to see you put in a slide show on the photos. Makes it easier to review the whole set, then go back to look at individual photos I might be interested in.)

    To me, the signal items that make the new M interesting are the improvements in responsiveness, weather sealing, the new dial and thumb rest. The Live View capabilities extend its use to include my favorite macro lenses and the occasional long tele, both of lesser importance but would help me simplify my camera collection to some degree too.

    thanks for the effort!

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Great read!
    A question I could not find an answer so far in any M240 reviews:
    When using (Leica R 28-90) SLR lens on M240, what profile is needed in menus? Does Leica R adapter has a "live connection" with the lens and pass the info. On what focal length is used in he image to apply "proper amount" of "correction"?
    What about 3rd party (wide angle) zoom lenses? Other adapters will not have any "live connection" with M240 body... Let's say an excellent Nikon 28-70/2.8 on M240?

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by sisoje View Post
    Great read!
    A question I could not find an answer so far in any M240 reviews:
    When using (Leica R 28-90) SLR lens on M240, what profile is needed in menus? Does Leica R adapter has a "live connection" with the lens and pass the info. On what focal length is used in he image to apply "proper amount" of "correction"?
    What about 3rd party (wide angle) zoom lenses? Other adapters will not have any "live connection" with M240 body... Let's say an excellent Nikon 28-70/2.8 on M240?
    Hi There
    I'm 99% certain that there are no lens corrections for any R lenses, and that coding is only for convenience. Which would mean your excellent Nikon would also be fine. SLR lenses are relatively much more telecentric than M lenses, and with the rear element much further from the lens. Making corrections unnecessary.
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Sat down and read through the whole piece this morning. And looked at all your photos. Nicely done indeed, and as much as I'd need to know to ascertain my interest in the new M before going to see one in the flesh. I particularly like your take on seeing it as two cameras ... the latest in the long line of M rangefinder cameras, and first in a new tech world of Live View M cameras.

    (I would like to see you put in a slide show on the photos. Makes it easier to review the whole set, then go back to look at individual photos I might be interested in.)

    To me, the signal items that make the new M interesting are the improvements in responsiveness, weather sealing, the new dial and thumb rest. The Live View capabilities extend its use to include my favorite macro lenses and the occasional long tele, both of lesser importance but would help me simplify my camera collection to some degree too.

    thanks for the effort!

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    Hi Godfrey. Thanks for the message. Glad you enjoyed it. I must pull my finger out with respect to slide shows. I really don't want to use flash. It's just working out the best way of doing it.
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    I'm sure Jono will comment, but I seem to recall reading that when the Leica mount adapter is used, the M body provides a range of R lens codes to use. Whether it has enough info to set a lens code automatically ... Jono? :-)

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    Great piece, wonderful images as always. Now you have me leaning back a little Jono! And I am a sucker for smooth quiet shutters!!
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    too easily pleased eh! You reckon I should be more verbose about it?

    Glad you enjoyed it. Have you got your MM yet?
    All the best
    No, I think it is exactly right (genau richtig), being a German camera and all.

    Still waiting...soon, I hope.
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Wonderful photographs, Jono. Genuinely useful and enoyable write-up as well. The new M sounds like a camera I'd love to have, but beyond my budget (at least for a manual focus camera). On a related note, my brother gifted me a beautiful M6 today, my first Leica M, which I'm looking forward to using.
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    Thank you Jono for sharing your feelings for this camera, and showing us something of what its capabilities. Lovely images.
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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    Wonderful photographs, Jono. Genuinely useful and enoyable write-up as well. The new M sounds like a camera I'd love to have, but beyond my budget (at least for a manual focus camera). On a related note, my brother gifted me a beautiful M6 today, my first Leica M, which I'm looking forward to using.
    Hi Amin
    Lovely to hear from you, and thanks for looking.
    Emma and I gave Silas a lovely M6 for his 30th birthday. Now he's sold a whole Pentax system to buy a summicron 35. It's a dangerous and slippery slope you're teetering on!

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I'm sure Jono will comment, but I seem to recall reading that when the Leica mount adapter is used, the M body provides a range of R lens codes to use. Whether it has enough info to set a lens code automatically ... Jono? :-)
    Hi Godfrey.
    It doesn't set it automatically, but it does remember the last lens you used (in all modes)

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    Hi Godfrey.
    It doesn't set it automatically, but it does remember the last lens you used (in all modes)
    What happens when you use a zoom? Does the body track the focal length?

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Hi Jono,

    Thank you for the good write-up. I enjoy reading it. Also love the photos.

    I may have missed it, so far I don't see any where talk about the information displayed in the optical VF. Any difference from M9? Is it still the same red LED showing 3-digit speed/left-right triangle?

    Thanks.

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by wstam View Post
    Hi Jono,

    Thank you for the good write-up. I enjoy reading it. Also love the photos.

    I may have missed it, so far I don't see any where talk about the information displayed in the optical VF. Any difference from M9? Is it still the same red LED showing 3-digit speed/left-right triangle?

    Thanks.
    Hi There
    Glad you enjoyed the write up - especially glad you liked the snaps!
    The viewfinder information is unchanged - with the slight exception that you can change the exposure compensation by pressing the new button on the front, and the LED shows you the value.
    yes - otherwise the same old red LED

    all the best

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Emma and I gave Silas a lovely M6 for his 30th birthday. Now he's sold a whole Pentax system to buy a summicron 35. It's a dangerous and slippery slope you're teetering on!
    I know I'm too lazy and impatient to shoot film very often, so I only sold off enough kit to buy a 35/2 Biogon. The real danger is that I'll end up with a digital M body. Then who knows what I'll need to sell to buy lenses .

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

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    I know I'm too lazy and impatient to shoot film very often, so I only sold off enough kit to buy a 35/2 Biogon. The real danger is that I'll end up with a digital M body. Then who knows what I'll need to sell to buy lenses .
    HI Amin
    It's a dangerous place to go. Now I want two bodies - and something's going to have to go. Probably that lovely 24 'lux and maybe even the delicious 180 Apo R f2.8 (help).

    The good thing about Leica lenses is that as long as you buy well, they do, at least, hold their value reasonably well.

    all the best

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Could some kind soul please confirm if the EVF2 has a grid line option. Also, does the LCD have the same option?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Could some kind soul please confirm if the EVF2 has a grid line option. Also, does the LCD have the same option?
    I suspect that if the LCD has it, the EVF does too ... not the other way around as the EVF is simply taking the video signal that would otherwise go to the LCD.

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    Re: Jono Slack's piece on the M(240)

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I suspect that if the LCD has it, the EVF does too ... not the other way around as the EVF is simply taking the video signal that would otherwise go to the LCD.
    But does the LCD have it

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