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    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    Closer to 50 units worldwide - excepting demo units.
    That sounds like only 40 units more than the number of M's I saw at Photokina.

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    Just curious as to who ordered the chrome model as I did. With the thought that, BP for my M7 with B&W film and chrome for color ... and I thought it would be less popular and I would get it faster!

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    Not me I got a black one, unless when I open the box it's chrome.

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    Hi Lou
    Good Luck - I'm waiting for mine as well!

    As for the tests . . . . why not relax, take some shots and learn the camera first!

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I guess it could be heavy shoulders for me. Possible comparisons:

    M versus M9 obviously

    M versus MM obviously

    M versus RX-1-it comes next week too.

    M versus 5D3

    M versus P45+ V mount

    Oh my gosh, will I have any time to just out and shoot?

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    Chrome for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Lou
    Good Luck - I'm waiting for mine as well!

    As for the tests . . . . why not relax, take some shots and learn the camera first!
    You are absolutely correct, Jono. Could not agree more. There is not much about the camera that does not truly excite me. Video is the least of my worries. Since the R adapter is not now available I will just use my Novoflex for the many and varied R possibilities.

    Do believe the APO is my first choice, but I usually walk around with a 35. So that I am on familiar ground I will probably just take the 35/1.4 to start with.

    These are exciting times and thanks to your input I am sure we are getting these M's faster as a result. It's early 2013. Actually very early 2013!

    I wonder why that did a FW update today? It seems all lenses affected are wide angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I wonder why that did a FW update today? It seems all lenses affected are wide angle.
    I don't know - but I suspect it might have been easier to let the punter do it than unpack all those boxes?

    Has it arrived yet?
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    Congrats!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I guess it could be heavy shoulders for me. Possible comparisons:

    M versus M9 obviously

    M versus MM obviously

    M versus RX-1-it comes next week too.

    M versus 5D3

    M versus P45+ V mount

    Oh my gosh, will I have any time to just out and shoot?
    Barring the Rex1, everything else has interchangeable lens possibility. So, the possibilities are endless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    That sounds like only 40 units more than the number of M's I saw at Photokina.
    Well they're not going to ship pre-production hardware with glued in SD cards to customers, are they.
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    Hi Lou (I see that how people address you), how do find the effectiveness of the rear bump thumb rest?

    I was at Leica shop this afternoon and played with the new M for a short while. Didn't find the built in thumb rest provide a good grip to the body, especially now the new M is heavier. May be it's because I am too used to the "thumbie" (alternative to thumbsup) on my M9.

    Thanks and have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I don't know - but I suspect it might have been easier to let the punter do it than unpack all those boxes?

    Has it arrived yet?
    all the best
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    A bit of a muck up at the Leica Store. They could not get Saturday delivery accepted by the UPS in-store computer so...Tuesday (I hope). Had my local UPS store try to send a label he could generate for them to just stick on the box , but their UPS pick up driver came early yesterday.

    So isn't it awful that I am going to have to "just" use my MM this weekend accentuated by the occasional M9 shots.

    On to next week for the M . What's another few days as it's still "early 2013".

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    Well they're not going to ship pre-production hardware with glued in SD cards to customers, are they.
    I'll let you know next week

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    I do believe that sets the record for emoticon usage. Has anyone ever tried to read the email notifications of such messages (grin banghead cussing)

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    I think I'll charge you guys .25 cents per emoticon and in no time ill have enough money to get the new Leica . Damn not a bad idea. LOL
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    I do believe that sets the record for emoticon usage. Has anyone ever tried to read the email notifications of such messages (grin banghead cussing)
    I couldn't resist since no matter what we tried it just was not mean't to be. and and also with a little thrown in.

    On to shooting so I can relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I think I'll charge you guys .25 cents per emoticon and in no time ill have enough money to get the new Leica . Damn not a bad idea. LOL
    I guess I'm the guy who will be buying 2 new Leica M's now. And you are--

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    LOL. Awesome post, Lou.

    Though that really sucks about the delivery. Those moments leading up to actually having it in-hand can be a bitch. Should've seen me trying to get a hold of my Noctilux which was stuck in customs. LOL. Before long you'll be all like, "what's the big deal?" Savor the moment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    LOL. Awesome post, Lou.

    Though that really sucks about the delivery. Those moments leading up to actually having it in-hand can be a bitch. Should've seen me trying to get a hold of my Noctilux which was stuck in customs. LOL. Before long you'll be all like, "what's the big deal?" Savor the moment!
    How right you are. It's like .

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    That Huff video is the closest I am going to get an M this weekend.

    Did you see his cat shot with the M. Wow, that his sensationally sharp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post

    So isn't it awful that I am going to have to "just" use my MM this weekend accentuated by the occasional M9 shots.

    On to next week for the M . What's another few days as it's still "early 2013".

    Well, I'd like to say that I'm in a similar position . . . . waiting for it to arrive, but without any ability to check up when. There is added tension as I've also ordered a 35 'cron for Silas (to go with his lovely M6) , and he only asks me about 10 times a day whether it's arrived or not.

    I don't even know what colour it's going to be - . . . . . and we're off to China in 10 days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I think I'll charge you guys .25 cents per emoticon and in no time ill have enough money to get the new Leica . Damn not a bad idea. LOL
    YES Guy, charge us… don't be too shy with your proposal.. :-)
    why don't we all transfer guy/jack or the crew a dollar or five per item we sell on the forum ? or just for fun to see what happens. voluntarily..

    don't intend to hijack this thread, but how about launching project: "GET GUY A NEW EMM" :-))

    (or what ever he's lusting for at the moment…)

    I'm curious if this could work…

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    Hi,just some test`Pictures Leica M 240....Regards Chako.
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    How do skin tones look?
    On the web I haven't seen anything yet that looks good to me but that could also be processing.
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    How do skin tones look?
    On the web I haven't seen anything yet that looks good to me but that could also be processing.
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    In my eyes , NEX-6 can do this and perhaps better. In otherwords, absolutely nothing special about this Leica look.

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    Thanks Chako.

    The lady's face in the top left shot has a bit of redness to it, but it could be the lighting, her embarrassment, her makeup, the cold weather, the processing (if any) or just the camera. This would be interesting to know Chako if any post processing was done OR did you set anything in the Menu which might affect the jpeg output.

    Perhaps setting the jpeg saturation to a minus level instead of "standard" might help jpegs come out with less of a redness look. Or was this a conversion of a DNG file?

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    The pictures are just out of the camera (DNG)

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    IMO, not bad for OOC unprocessed files. However, I still don't see the richness and depth of OOC M9 files. To me they look too digital, whatever that means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    IMO, not bad for OOC unprocessed files. However, I still don't see the richness and depth of OOC M9 files. To me they look too digital, whatever that means.
    Yes, what does "too digital" mean? I wonder myself. I never find myself saying "too filmic."

    Anyway, the risk is that the harder I look, the more likely I will see exactly what I want to see and not what's there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCTuomey View Post
    Yes, what does "too digital" mean? I wonder myself. I never find myself saying "too filmic."

    Anyway, the risk is that the harder I look, the more likely I will see exactly what I want to see and not what's there.
    Point taken! To be fair, I really like the high iso shots. It's the low iso ones that I'm not very keen on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I don't even know what colour it's going to be - . . . . . and we're off to China in 10 days
    M11 testing already, Jono???!!!

    Have a great trip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
    M11 testing already, Jono???!!!

    Have a great trip!

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    HI Mike
    Actually the M12 together with the new M mount 12-200 zoom.

    We're off to spend some time with Sim (our son). We are aiming to have some fun
    Well start off at Hangzhou, and then the idea is to go to Jiuzhaigou for a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCTuomey View Post
    Yes, what does "too digital" mean? I wonder myself. I never find myself saying "too filmic."

    Anyway, the risk is that the harder I look, the more likely I will see exactly what I want to see and not what's there.
    Too digital today means that it has higher quality than can be achieved with film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chako View Post
    The pictures are just out of the camera (DNG)
    Thanks for the information. Can you try to reduce the jpeg saturation or any other setting, just to see how it handles unprocessed files?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Too digital today means that it has higher quality than can be achieved with film.
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    My "too digital" comment about the M files is in relation to my earlier comments about the M9 files being almost organic. I visited yesterday the S2 image thread, it was a big mistake. I will never ever go there again. If you want to see how the M files should have looked like, this is the place to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardkaraa View Post
    I visited yesterday the S2 image thread, it was a big mistake. I will never ever go there again. If you want to see how the M files should have looked like, this is the place to go.
    Yes, the 37.7MP CCD files do look good don't they. I guess that's why I just can't part with my P45+ yet.

    Do not you feel after some time experienced PP and M users will evolve where we actually like what we see they have done? I wait for the day that those finished images look organic M9 like too. Or will we just get used to the CMOS look?

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    well these are actually more promising than anything I have seen in the sense that you can shoot in very bad mixed lighting at high iso and get clean neutral colours. Sort of what the M is about-reportage, available light. At low Iso any camera can make lovely files.

    Conversely what I have seen (limited obviously) is that in bright sun skin gets too pink- which is an ir thing is it not? It's been those pics that have made me think that Leica again paid insufficient attention to ir sensitivity.
    Overall it seems they are moving towards the middle of the market with the move to cmos- as much as I liked the rendering of the M8 ccd on some subjects it never really got skin correct. And while the M9 was the camera the 8 should have been its underpowered processor and ccd issues (again) said never again to me.
    It's ironic to me that now the M is what the M9 should have been in terms of the digital part- decent processor, decent screen, quiet shutter, and good usable high iso, but still we are talking about skin, Ir etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertwright View Post
    well these are actually more promising than anything I have seen in the sense that you can shoot in very bad mixed lighting at high iso and get clean neutral colours. Sort of what the M is about-reportage, available light. At low Iso any camera can make lovely files.

    Conversely what I have seen (limited obviously) is that in bright sun skin gets too pink- which is an ir thing is it not? It's been those pics that have made me think that Leica again paid insufficient attention to ir sensitivity.
    Overall it seems they are moving towards the middle of the market with the move to cmos- as much as I liked the rendering of the M8 ccd on some subjects it never really got skin correct. And while the M9 was the camera the 8 should have been its underpowered processor and ccd issues (again) said never again to me.
    It's ironic to me that now the M is what the M9 should have been in terms of the digital part- decent processor, decent screen, quiet shutter, and good usable high iso, but still we are talking about skin, Ir etc?
    My personal view is that in my real world shooting I RARELY have ANY issues with the image quality with the M9 with my uses. I think a lot of people chatter way too much about clinical "perfection" (read: scientific and quantitative perfection) yet some of these people rarely ever take pictures or own a Leica for that matter. Who cares how much distortion a lens has if it can be used to make meaningful photos to the photographer?

    What I think Leica has done is deliver a modern camera to the masses that is very modern camera (and good for them) that is technically more perfect on a graph yet is more "sterile" in someways due to the "perfection." It's a trend that many have been complaining about with some of the more modern lenses and a constant argument with the rendering of the newer lenses versus Mandler lenses. Both are great IMO but for different reasons. I think it's the same with this camera - the electronics are better.

    I still prefer my M9 honestly (based on the images I'm seeing) despite being inferior and I'm actually leaning towards skipping this generation and just grabbing a MM (which may change with improved firmware/ profiles.) The new M is technically a much better camera but I'm not as moved from what I'm seeing overall as say shots I see with the M9 or MM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Yes, the 37.7MP CCD files do look good don't they. I guess that's why I just can't part with my P45+ yet.

    Do not you feel after some time experienced PP and M users will evolve where we actually like what we see they have done? I wait for the day that those finished images look organic M9 like too. Or will we just get used to the CMOS look?
    I think we will just get used to the new CMOS look

    Afterall it's necessary to get LV and video. So we better live with it.

    I just hope Leica will upgrade the ME in the future with a CCD sensor, but I know that would be almost impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    My personal view is that in my real world shooting I RARELY have ANY issues with the image quality with the M9 with my uses. I think a lot of people chatter way too much about clinical "perfection" (read: scientific and quantitative perfection) yet some of these people rarely ever take pictures or own a Leica for that matter. Who cares how much distortion a lens has if it can be used to make meaningful photos to the photographer?

    What I think Leica has done is deliver a modern camera to the masses that is very modern camera (and good for them) that is technically more perfect on a graph yet is more "sterile" in someways due to the "perfection." It's a trend that many have been complaining about with some of the more modern lenses and a constant argument with the rendering of the newer lenses versus Mandler lenses. Both are great IMO but for different reasons. I think it's the same with this camera - the electronics are better.

    I still prefer my M9 honestly (based on the images I'm seeing) despite being inferior and I'm actually leaning towards skipping this generation and just grabbing a MM (which may change with improved firmware/ profiles.) The new M is technically a much better camera but I'm not as moved from what I'm seeing overall as say shots I see with the M9 or MM.
    Agreed. I don't shoot for clients anymore, so my M9 is strictly a personal camera, and I don't have to worry about someone else's expectations of file quality. I'm often happy with the gritty detail that I get pushing to ISO 5000+ with the M9.

    If I ever start questioning too much grain/noise, I just pick up my copy of Rivages from Harry Gruyaert and remember that beautifully smooth and clean images may not always be the goal in fine art.

    When I used to work for a somewhat well known, fine art photographer, we'd make prints and lightboxes that were 8+ feet across from 6x6, 400 speed film pushed several stops. The grain was as large as golf balls, and those huge prints and lightboxes sold for relatively large amounts of money. People always commented on how great the large grain looked. Go figure.

    While obviously a bit of a stretch, I see moving from the M9 to the M as a bit like moving from slide film to negative film, which may or may not be necessary for some shooters. The electronics and hardware improvements of the new M are the more interesting part, to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I think I'll charge you guys .25 cents per emoticon and in no time ill have enough money to get the new Leica . Damn not a bad idea. LOL
    Good idea! I am grinning, rolling on the floor laughing, and wearing sunglasses.

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    @HiredArm and douglasf13-

    Well put by both. I especially perked up at the mention of Mandler versus clinical look (I like both at different times) and the fact that M9 files are terrific. Oh, yes. Who needs more than that?

    My problem-I went to Photokina handled and used the M for far too long and decided to order one on the spot. I think the R glass usage is what truly swayed me in getting the second mortgage in favor of Leica even though the SD barn door was glued shut! As they say, the rest is history.

    To me Mandler glass is very special on the MM, especially the 50 f1.0. I also very much like the 40/2.0 on the MM. The detail rendered by the APO 50 on the MM is exceptional, but maybe in a different hard to state way for me, if you get my drift. But nevertheless, so far those ar my three favorite lenses of the 50 variety. Next I will look to the 35 variety to how I like the rendering and later to the 75 variety.

    I prefer to shoot for myself rather than do tests, but when the weather is cold what's a couple hours in front of the monitor and then making a few prints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    (...)
    I just pick up my copy of Rivages from Harry Gruyaert and remember that beautifully smooth and clean images may not always be the goal in fine art.

    (...)
    Douglas: Surely somewhat OT here, but hopefully not being lost in all that noise: that's a truly worthwhile reference!
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    Wake me up when the Type 241 is here. 'Til then, I'm shooting my M9.

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    Wake me up when the Type 241 is here. 'Til then, I'm shooting my M9.
    Well I think that Leica will eventually get it right and I'm remaining optimistic still. To be honest I wasn't super impressed with most of what I saw from the S2 or the MM in the beginning. They eventually got it right or people got better at creating a better digital formula to give that "Leica look" that people expect given how much we pay for the pixie's to dust our pictures with awesome. It's winter time in the N. Hemisphere still so I'm just going to assume that they're hibernating but come spring/ summer we may start to see the magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Well I think that Leica will eventually get it right and I'm remaining optimistic still. To be honest I wasn't super impressed with most of what I saw from the S2 or the MM in the beginning. They eventually got it right or people got better at creating a better digital formula to give that "Leica look" that people expect given how much we pay for the pixie's to dust our pictures with awesome. It's winter time in the N. Hemisphere still so I'm just going to assume that they're hibernating but come spring/ summer we may start to see the magic.
    Hey HiredArm-What's your take on the RX-1? I ask because I see you have 2 Sony's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Hey HiredArm-What's your take on the RX-1? I ask because I see you have 2 Sony's.
    It's a good camera that gives good results but it's too expensive of an "investment" for me as it's (along with most larger sensor single focal length cameras) too limiting FOR ME. There are those who love it and I've seen great results with it for sure. The sensor seems to be world class for that application. The lens seems to work/ render really well. That being said I'd rather use the ~$3500 for body, EVF, and accessories toward more M stuff personally. That's kinda my take on the X2, X100, and the Sigma cameras too though.

    As for my Sony stuff - It's well documented that my A77 kit is up for sale and It'll be on the B&S forum by the end of the week most likely. It's a great camera and system but I don't use it enough to justify the initial expense and I'm trying to consolidate everything most down to one main system (Leica M.) So the A77 kit will go and I will most like keep the mirror less stuff for adapted M lenses.
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    Good luck selling your stuff.
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    Good luck selling your stuff.
    Thanks I know I will take some loss on it but I rarely use it to be honest and I probably should've just saved the money and put it towards M stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wstam View Post
    Hi Lou (I see that how people address you), how do find the effectiveness of the rear bump thumb rest?

    I was at Leica shop this afternoon and played with the new M for a short while. Didn't find the built in thumb rest provide a good grip to the body, especially now the new M is heavier. May be it's because I am too used to the "thumbie" (alternative to thumbsup) on my M9.

    Thanks and have fun.
    You know I tend to agree it is better than nothing, but a bit on the slim side. My hand could get tired carrying it that way. I will get a grip due to that.

    Got home late today so only after dinner could I head out, but at least the battery was fully charged by then. Tried a 180/2.8 R and I am pleased, although I must read the manual now. It's a guy thing.

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