Mike Woods
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M11 testing already, Jono???!!!:wtf::ROTFL:I don't even know what colour it's going to be - . . . . . and we're off to China in 10 days :wtf:
Have a great trip!
Mike
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M11 testing already, Jono???!!!:wtf::ROTFL:I don't even know what colour it's going to be - . . . . . and we're off to China in 10 days :wtf:
HI MikeM11 testing already, Jono???!!!:wtf::ROTFL:
Have a great trip!
Mike
Too digital today means that it has higher quality than can be achieved with film.Yes, what does "too digital" mean? I wonder myself. I never find myself saying "too filmic."
Anyway, the risk is that the harder I look, the more likely I will see exactly what I want to see and not what's there.
Thanks for the information. Can you try to reduce the jpeg saturation or any other setting, just to see how it handles unprocessed files?The pictures are just out of the camera (DNG)
My "too digital" comment about the M files is in relation to my earlier comments about the M9 files being almost organic. I visited yesterday the S2 image thread, it was a big mistake. I will never ever go there again. If you want to see how the M files should have looked like, this is the place to go.Too digital today means that it has higher quality than can be achieved with film.
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Yes, the 37.7MP CCD files do look good don't they. I guess that's why I just can't part with my P45+ yet.I visited yesterday the S2 image thread, it was a big mistake. I will never ever go there again. If you want to see how the M files should have looked like, this is the place to go.
My personal view is that in my real world shooting I RARELY have ANY issues with the image quality with the M9 with my uses. I think a lot of people chatter way too much about clinical "perfection" (read: scientific and quantitative perfection) yet some of these people rarely ever take pictures or own a Leica for that matter. Who cares how much distortion a lens has if it can be used to make meaningful photos to the photographer?well these are actually more promising than anything I have seen in the sense that you can shoot in very bad mixed lighting at high iso and get clean neutral colours. Sort of what the M is about-reportage, available light. At low Iso any camera can make lovely files.
Conversely what I have seen (limited obviously) is that in bright sun skin gets too pink- which is an ir thing is it not? It's been those pics that have made me think that Leica again paid insufficient attention to ir sensitivity.
Overall it seems they are moving towards the middle of the market with the move to cmos- as much as I liked the rendering of the M8 ccd on some subjects it never really got skin correct. And while the M9 was the camera the 8 should have been its underpowered processor and ccd issues (again) said never again to me.
It's ironic to me that now the M is what the M9 should have been in terms of the digital part- decent processor, decent screen, quiet shutter, and good usable high iso, but still we are talking about skin, Ir etc?
I think we will just get used to the new CMOS lookYes, the 37.7MP CCD files do look good don't they. I guess that's why I just can't part with my P45+ yet.
Do not you feel after some time experienced PP and M users will evolve where we actually like what we see they have done? I wait for the day that those finished images look organic M9 like too. Or will we just get used to the CMOS look?
Agreed. I don't shoot for clients anymore, so my M9 is strictly a personal camera, and I don't have to worry about someone else's expectations of file quality. I'm often happy with the gritty detail that I get pushing to ISO 5000+ with the M9.My personal view is that in my real world shooting I RARELY have ANY issues with the image quality with the M9 with my uses. I think a lot of people chatter way too much about clinical "perfection" (read: scientific and quantitative perfection) yet some of these people rarely ever take pictures or own a Leica for that matter. Who cares how much distortion a lens has if it can be used to make meaningful photos to the photographer?
What I think Leica has done is deliver a modern camera to the masses that is very modern camera (and good for them) that is technically more perfect on a graph yet is more "sterile" in someways due to the "perfection." It's a trend that many have been complaining about with some of the more modern lenses and a constant argument with the rendering of the newer lenses versus Mandler lenses. Both are great IMO but for different reasons. I think it's the same with this camera - the electronics are better.
I still prefer my M9 honestly (based on the images I'm seeing) despite being inferior and I'm actually leaning towards skipping this generation and just grabbing a MM (which may change with improved firmware/ profiles.) The new M is technically a much better camera but I'm not as moved from what I'm seeing overall as say shots I see with the M9 or MM.
Good idea! I am grinning, rolling on the floor laughing, and wearing sunglasses.I think I'll charge you guys .25 cents per emoticon and in no time ill have enough money to get the new Leica . Damn not a bad idea. LOL
Douglas: Surely somewhat OT here, but hopefully not being lost in all that noise: that's a truly worthwhile reference! :thumbs:(...)
I just pick up my copy of Rivages from Harry Gruyaert and remember that beautifully smooth and clean images may not always be the goal in fine art.
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Well I think that Leica will eventually get it right and I'm remaining optimistic still. To be honest I wasn't super impressed with most of what I saw from the S2 or the MM in the beginning. They eventually got it right or people got better at creating a better digital formula to give that "Leica look" that people expect given how much we pay for the pixie's to dust our pictures with awesome. It's winter time in the N. Hemisphere still so I'm just going to assume that they're hibernating but come spring/ summer we may start to see the magic.Wake me up when the Type 241 is here. 'Til then, I'm shooting my M9.
Hey HiredArm-What's your take on the RX-1? I ask because I see you have 2 Sony's.Well I think that Leica will eventually get it right and I'm remaining optimistic still. To be honest I wasn't super impressed with most of what I saw from the S2 or the MM in the beginning. They eventually got it right or people got better at creating a better digital formula to give that "Leica look" that people expect given how much we pay for the pixie's to dust our pictures with awesome. It's winter time in the N. Hemisphere still so I'm just going to assume that they're hibernating but come spring/ summer we may start to see the magic.
It's a good camera that gives good results but it's too expensive of an "investment" for me as it's (along with most larger sensor single focal length cameras) too limiting FOR ME. There are those who love it and I've seen great results with it for sure. The sensor seems to be world class for that application. The lens seems to work/ render really well. That being said I'd rather use the ~$3500 for body, EVF, and accessories toward more M stuff personally. That's kinda my take on the X2, X100, and the Sigma cameras too though.Hey HiredArm-What's your take on the RX-1? I ask because I see you have 2 Sony's.
Thanks I know I will take some loss on it but I rarely use it to be honest and I probably should've just saved the money and put it towards M stuff.Good luck selling your stuff.
You know I tend to agree it is better than nothing, but a bit on the slim side. My hand could get tired carrying it that way. I will get a grip due to that.Hi Lou (I see that how people address you), how do find the effectiveness of the rear bump thumb rest?
I was at Leica shop this afternoon and played with the new M for a short while. Didn't find the built in thumb rest provide a good grip to the body, especially now the new M is heavier. May be it's because I am too used to the "thumbie" (alternative to thumbsup) on my M9.
Thanks and have fun.