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    Quote Originally Posted by VINCET View Post
    at the end of the life-cycle of the product, most of the people who did not like the product when it was introduced now can't say enough good things about the product.
    Hmmm. Don't really see the "converted late adopter phenom".

    What we're seeing with the Leica M is quite a few M9/MM owners taking a pass on this model, "generation skippers", who hope for an more substantial image quality upgrade in perhaps 2 years, and who could live without the bells and whistles that curiously chase DSLRs (many of us own Nikon or Canon systems).

    I'm probably in that camp. I'm certainly a buyer for the next M if, say in another couple of years, Leica offers an upgrade that works the kinks out of this manufacturers first CMOS for a professional digital camera, and offers a substantial dynamic range bump and better high ISO performance without resolution sacrificing in-camera noise reduction (noted by Sean Reid at 1600 and above). Getting color right might also be a factor in waiting for the next M. It's hard to comment without an official color profile to process the sample DNGs I've received from associates.

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    I like Hahnemuhle Baryta papers for color and Museo Silver Rag for B&W. And Hahnemuhle Photo Rag for matte. You can get sample packs from both brands, they are a good investment and fun to try.
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    Huh? The MM offers a distinctive raw histogram.

    New M displays a run of the mill RGB histogram of the DNG's embedded tif file.
    The M histogram goes full screen L to R. If you own an M9 the difference is welcomed and if you own an MM it reminds one of the width of its histogram, but I never mentioned the M had an 11 zone true DNG histogram (not raw as you mentioned) like the MM. See p95 of the English MM Manual.

    The M9 and M histograms are built from a jpeg file (having nothing to do with "DNG's embedded tif file"as you mentioned) pretty much like all digital cameras with the exception of Phase One files which are TIF on the P45+.

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    having nothing to do with "DNG's embedded tif file"as you mentioned.
    oh goodness grief, I think you need to spend some more time on the technical side of things, including the DNG spec.

    meanwhile, note my main point was the distinctive MM raw histogram, whereas the M histogram is a plain RGB histogram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photomeme View Post
    oh goodness grief, I think you need to spend some more time on the technical side of things, including the DNG spec.

    meanwhile, note my main point was the distinctive MM raw histogram, whereas the M histogram is a plain RGB histogram.
    The day you get an MM read the manual and you will see its a DNG histogram. Talk about the technical side of "things", simply put, Raw is a bunch of 1' and 0's whereas DNG interprets those 1's and 0's into an image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    ... Talk about the technical side of "things", simply put, Raw is a bunch of 1' and 0's whereas DNG interprets those 1's and 0's into an image.
    Um, no.

    A DNG file is a standardized container for raw data, where the layout of the file's metadata and sensor data components are well known via a publicly disclosed format specification (see http://www.adobe.com/dng). DNG file do not contain interpreted raw data, it is simply a raw data file structured with an easily understood structure that an application can read and write without ambiguity. Native, proprietary raw files contain the same information but do not have a publicly disclosed file structure, that's all.

    BTW: The sensor data in either a DNG file or a proprietary format raw file is all just a bunch of 1s and 0s. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    The day you get an MM read the manual and you will see its a DNG histogram.
    Odd comment. Has nothing to do with the point I'm making. The day I get an MM? I have one, and the manual is online in any event.

    If you want to do the reading and bone up on the DNG spec, see here:

    Did you know that DNG is an extension of TIFF 6.0 standard? The format for the embed, if included, should be TIFF-EP.

    With the MM, uniquely, there is no application of white balance data, no color channel admixture, what is displayed is the industry's only true raw histogram, applying just a simple gamma transformation to the raw data.

    Not so, with the M240, it's a plain old standard RGB histogram making a lot of assumptions that may have nothing to do with your final image. Same as the M9 and every color CCD and CMOS alternative for years.

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    Then read p.95 lower right hand corner (3.3.2) of the MM manual and tell me what Leica says about the MM histogram. I don't need to read it online as I have a paper manual right in front of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Then read p.95 lower right hand corner (3.3.2) of the MM manual and tell me what Leica says about the MM histogram. I don't need to read it online as I have a paper manual right in front of me.
    Seriously, this is what you're hanging your hat on? The labeling of two graphic images? LMAO, oh my goodness.

    You really need to bone up on the technology. Read the DNG spec, and the host of articles and Leica interviews, including transcripts and reports at the announcement event, and review your notes if you or any of your associates have talked to Leica engineers on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photomeme View Post
    Seriously, this is what you're hanging your hat on? The labeling of two graphic images? LMAO, oh my goodness.
    Where are you hanging your hat?

    Just this guy you know

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