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    It will be very interesting to see what Leica introduces . They have to be careful about exceeding both their development and production capacity . While a new smaller AF line of Leica lenses would be well received ... I can t see how they can produce them in Germany at a cost that would work .

    Zeiss has done a nice job in introducing the new line of lenses for the Sony Nex and Fuji X bodies . These are produced in Japan and retail for over $1000 or close . If Leica produces in Germany they would have to be twice that . Maybe that could work ?

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    [QUOTE=JoshMerwin;518131]Re: New Mini M?
    What if it was a FF, interchangeable M mount, no RF, in a smaller body... and the zoom lens everyone is screaming about is just one of the first of a new autofocus M lens line....QUOTE]

    I initially thought (as I mentioned in a couple previous posts) that a reasonable evolutionary step for Leica with regards to a mini M, would be at least a smaller APS-C (or FF) rangefinderless, interchangeable M lens camera. What type or if any built-in viewfinder could exist is hard to say in order to keep it compact, but an optional EVF would be available. A camera of this type I believe would slot in perfectly between a X2 and the M-E/ new M.

    If the sensor is smaller than FF, it opens up the door to a possible APS zoom lens as well as a couple of lower priced compact single focal length lens (ala Leica CL). It would be a welcome surprise if they did all this and taking the leap to a new series of AF lenses I simply don't see at this time...unless either the body is hightly successful and a successor would incorporate appropriate lens contacts, or this new 1st generation body has lens contacts for these newer APS lenses (to transmit lens data) and eventually (and possibly) utilize these contacts in the future for AF lenses.

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    Exactly Dave,
    They don't have to come out with a full line of AF lenses. Just the ability to add them in the future and an adapter for current m lenses Included. Most people will be happy with using the current M lenses. The EVF would be optional for those that want to add it.

    I also don't understand why people think this marketing campaign is failing. It's quite the opposite. I think just about every major photo forum and many blogs are discussing this anticipated camera. Yes, it might disappoint. But people are taking about it. Which is the point of a marketing campaign. And if they get feedback that people want a camera that's a mix between the M240 and Fuji X-E1/xpro. They can come out with that later, if this camera isn't it. I will probably just buy a used Leica 28 or 35mm lens and use it on my X-E1. Unless this is the camera I am asking for. Basically the best of both worlds... Does anyone know the magnification of those on an X-E1?

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    This may sound like a dumb question, but what makes a Leica lens a "Leica lens"? I assume its the glass... So why can't they make the glass in Germany and have the lenses more "mass produced" so they will be cheaper. Hell, Make an adapter so the S lenses work also with AF for someone who wants the highest quality.

    Actually, just make me CEO and I'll make everyone happy and the company a lot of money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyFlores View Post
    What if it was a FF, interchangeable M mount, no RF, in a smaller body... and the zoom lens everyone is screaming about is just one of the first of a new autofocus M lens line...
    dream on

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshMerwin View Post
    This may sound like a dumb question, but what makes a Leica lens a "Leica lens"? I assume its the glass... So why can't they make the glass in Germany and have the lenses more "mass produced" so they will be cheaper. Hell, Make an adapter so the S lenses work also with AF for someone who wants the highest quality.

    Actually, just make me CEO and I'll make everyone happy and the company a lot of money...
    The strange thing is...Leica introduced the Summarit line of lenses for a clearly lower price than the Summarits and Summiluxes...but even though the Summarits are quite good (I can tell from using three of them for some years) it as not that successful.
    People pay double price for a half f-stop and 0.2 m shoter minim. focusing distance. (Now everybody can start about different character etc....actually I prefer the "character" of the 35/2.5 over the 35 Summicron)
    What I am trying to say is that I dont believe Leica would sell more lenses if Leica works on reducing cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshMerwin View Post
    This may sound like a dumb question, but what makes a Leica lens a "Leica lens"? I assume its the glass... So why can't they make the glass in Germany and have the lenses more "mass produced" so they will be cheaper. Hell, Make an adapter so the S lenses work also with AF for someone who wants the highest quality.

    Actually, just make me CEO and I'll make everyone happy and the company a lot of money...
    The manufacturing tolerances have a lot to do with it. Really, they're necessary for the optical formula to be worth anything.

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    Just to clarify, I was suggesting they make a new line of smaller AF lenses specifically for the "Dream Mini M." I was NOT suggesting they change anything with the current M lenses.

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    leica rumors is now claiming the original leaked specs are correct after all. i am getting that move along nothing to see feeling.

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    Seriously what's M about this camera? Yeah, I know! I'm sounding negative, but in all seriousness. No M lenses, no viewfinder.

    Now the specs are looking more official (still by rumor), why couldn't they even keep it at constant f/4 with the zoom lens. It almost makes it an overindulgent D-Lux/Lumix, calling it the D-Lux 7m would almost be more fitting. Oh that's right, this has a larger sensor, silly me
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    I know some have cringed at the thought, but I would seriously love it if Apple just acquired Leica. $3 billion or even $5 billion, it's like a drop in the bucket for Apple. Leica could be run independently, with assistance from Apple, still be a "premium brand." Most importantly, production would go way up while costs go down significantly.

    Were that to happen, I bet the camera everyone wants... the super sexy, compact M mini with FF, built in EVF, and sharp, fast, compact AF lenses would be a reality for $3k or less... and lenses would be no more than $1k each.

    Seriously, Leica needs more capital, improved production capacity, and fresher tech and rates of innovation if it's going to thrive in the coming years. Relying primarily on their brand power will not keep Sony and Fuji from taking more and more customers away from them.

    I really hope this rumor is not true, but I guess I will be ready to pull the trigger on the RX1 if so.

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    Cat's out of the bag, looks like...

    The Details of the Mini M Revealed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Cat's out of the bag, looks like...

    The Details of the Mini M Revealed!
    When you purchase the EVF, Lens hood, and grip and you are probably approaching $4000.00

    I do not have an interest in the Mini M.

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    Put that cat back in, I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    When you purchase the EVF, Lens hood, and grip and you are probably approaching $4000.00

    I do not have an interest in the Mini M.
    Yeah, for the specs - the price does not compute!

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Looks like it suffers from the M's loose lugs, one has already fallen off. Must do better with PS - the details are important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atanabe View Post
    Looks like it suffers from the M's loose lugs, one has already fallen off. Must do better with PS - the details are important.
    Definitely one of the sloppier fakes out there, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Definitely one of the sloppier fakes out there, LOL.
    Who has time to do such things and why?
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    I have zero interest in this camera now if one of you guys want to give a away a leica s or an s2 that would be different. I will keep usingmy Leica M and my luxes

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    Re: New Mini M?

    I tried to buy a Hermes edition but u fortunately my offer fell short. I like the Paul Smith edition too. Hopefully, i will get lucky finding one.

    If the Mini M comes as one of the special edition versions with some distinction, I will be very interested.

    It is a snall way to say thank you to Leica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atanabe View Post
    Who has time to do such things and why?
    People that are bored and/or wish to rile up the masses I guess.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Do you really think Leica is worth $3-5 Billion? Was that a typo? This was in 2011... Blackstone to Buy Minority Stake in Leica - WSJ.com

    Blackstone bought 44% for $179 Million

    If that's their idea of a camera that a lot of people will want to buy, the value of the company will just go down... Saves me some money though. I'll just be getting a used Leica 28 or 35 lens to use with my Fuji.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshMerwin View Post
    Do you really think Leica is worth $3-5 Billion? Was that a typo? This was in 2011... Blackstone to Buy Minority Stake in Leica - WSJ.com

    Blackstone bought 44% for $179 Million

    If that's their idea of a camera that a lot of people will want to buy, the value of the company will just go down... Saves me some money though. I'll just be getting a used Leica 28 or 35 lens to use with my Fuji.
    You're right, wow, I heard about that but didn't know the amount.

    Weird that with a valuation of about $400 million at that time, Leica was worth not much more than some of the young startups here in Silicon Valley. Significantly less in the case of Instagram and Tumblr. Sad.

    Still, it's a nice fantasy... albeit ridiculously unrealistic... to imagine what Apple could do with Leica, given its infinite cash pool, production and supply chain expertise, technology, sales channels and premium reputation. Just a cash offer of around 1.1 billion like Yahoo just paid for Tumblr might do it

    I know production in Germany is obviously different and costlier than China [duh], but if there were no dropoff in quality or optical performance, how many people would really care whether Leica cameras or lenses were assembled in other parts of the world?

    I believe some of the famous, venerated panavision film lenses, still the gold standard among filmmakers, were assembled using Leica glass in Canada...........

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    Re: New Mini M?

    My latest guess is a Fixed zoom lens on a body housing a full frame .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubbaa View Post
    My latest guess is a Fixed zoom lens on a body housing a full frame .
    It was a 2.8 zoom that would be interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by atanabe View Post
    Who has time to do such things and why?
    Is this question related to the photoshop attempt or time taken to glue the strap lugs in properly?

    In all seriousness, I feel Leica had a golden opportunity to release a camera positioned between the current "X" series and the M mount cameras. At the very least, a small APS sized sensor interchangeable M mount viewfinderless body that one could either use existing M lenses, new smaller (APS only?) designed lenses or at the very least a APS only zoom. Heck even the camera as shown now with an interchangeable M mount would have generated more interest, I suppose.

    I believe such an offering would target a number of different potential markets at the same time and also show innovation over and above the charging competition.

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    It's a "she" - Paula!

    Codename and sample photos now available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    It's a "she" - Paula!

    Codename and sample photos now available.
    Awesome news!

    Paula Smith that I mispelled (or did I) in one of the many posts here gives me some hope for a special edition cam with punchy colors!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    It's a "she" - Paula!

    Codename and sample photos now available.
    truly disappointing.

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    There is no way Leica is worth one billion. Their expertise is optics and you can buy their services, and even put their logo on your lens when you do.

    Also, what exactly does Apple get for their money? A very small, if dedicated, user base. And a bunch of expensive optical manufacturing facilities which Apple has absolutely no use for.
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    Leica iPhone lenses. Price increase 500 percent . Lol
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    Re: New Mini M?

    Innovation:

    Apple patent hints at 'social camera flash' using multiple iOS devices: Digital Photography Review

    Would be a perfect companion for the not yet announced Femto M.

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    What will Apple name it, the iM? iPaula? iMini-M?

    Actually all my wife (She's called Apple (real name) btw) wants to know is can it help her take good photos better than an iPhone with little effort
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    steve huff now has what he feels are all the specs on his site. says the info came from four "official" sources and he decided to go ahead and publish, since he doesn't have an nda with leica. all worst fears confirmed.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    You guys are so hung up on specs--at least it looks like a Leica. I would buy one, but I spent my money on an RX-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    You guys are so hung up on specs--at least it looks like a Leica. I would buy one, but I spent my money on an RX-1.
    specs can make a difference depending on what you're interested in photographing. slow lens and no image stabilization can also be problematic for anyone hoping to take a few indoor family and friends video clips. i don't know why people keep throwing the rx1 in as a comparison. aren't they generally aimed at two different niches? from what i've been reading, it's not the rx1 that will deter people from buying this new leica - it's the other attractive offerings with zoom lenses that are available on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patk View Post
    specs can make a difference depending on what you're interested in photographing.
    Tell that to Hasselblad--have you seen the Lunar?

    When I was typing my original comment, I had my tongue in my cheek.

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    You guys are so hung up on specs--at least it looks like a Leica. I would buy one, but I spent my money on an RX-1.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Tell that to Hasselblad--have you seen the Lunar?

    When I was typing my original comment, I had my tongue in my cheek.
    the new lunar is on amazon and it's definitely amazin'. i would hope hasselblad had its tongue in cheek, but i think it's more likely it had its brains where they don't belong.

    i did think you were being jocular re your specs comment, but then i find even steve huff (who i don't think was kidding) going on about the rx1 being preferable to the new leica. well, yeah, but they're just not directed at the same market segment from what i can see. that's probably why i'm annoyed. leica didn't target me with its new zoom cam. but my wallet remains happy - and firmly closed.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Actually, if I had three grand and was in the market, the Fuji X series cameras would probably get my vote, if we are thinking of comparable systems.

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    There will be a lot of Leica users feeling cheated by this new camera now the details are out. For nearly $3000 many would have been willing to buy a new small interchangeable lens 'mini-M', and invest in the system that supports it, with lenses, flashes, etc. And what do Leica make a fanfare about, an overbuilt P&S.

    Of course the sensible rumour mongers got the specification spot on, which makes it even more sad that Leica are becoming so predictable in designing rubbish camera's. Put another way, if Fuji or Sony trailed an exciting new camera with as much innuendo would any of us expect it to be a lesser product than others in the same market sector, or a leap forward? We all know the answer to that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by patk View Post
    the new lunar is on amazon and it's definitely amazin'. i would hope hasselblad had its tongue in cheek, but i think it's more likely it had its brains where they don't belong.

    i did think you were being jocular re your specs comment, but then i find even steve huff (who i don't think was kidding) going on about the rx1 being preferable to the new leica. well, yeah, but they're just not directed at the same market segment from what i can see. that's probably why i'm annoyed. leica didn't target me with its new zoom cam. but my wallet remains happy - and firmly closed.
    Isnt the rx1 Sonys copy of the x1 4 years after Leica presented the x1?
    OK, it is full frame, and one f-stop faster, and sturdier built, but then it is also quite a bit bigger and heavier. (Wasn't the idea to build a pockable camera with a large sensor?)
    Comparing the new x vario with the rx1 doesn't make much sense to me, different cameras.
    For my part my choice for a pockable large sensor camera is the Coolpix A at the moment.
    For me the rx1 is a camera in between the x2 and a Leica M in regards of size and feel/user interface. Too big for some, to small for other , just right for many.
    For me too close to the M. (I guess the same could be valid for the x vario)

    The nice thing... except the Canon gx1 most large sensor "compacts" are prime cameras. So from now on people who like to use a zoom have an option as well.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Isnt
    . Sure, just like Leica invented the 35 mm film.

    Hopefully, Leica can count on enough rich old grandpas to sell this Mini M.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by patk View Post
    steve huff now has what he feels are all the specs on his site. says the info came from four "official" sources and he decided to go ahead and publish, since he doesn't have an nda with leica. all worst fears confirmed.
    I can see why they call it the Mini M. $2850 only for the camera. The plastic hotshoe cover is $60/-.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Actually, if I had three grand and was in the market, the Fuji X series cameras would probably get my vote, if we are thinking of comparable systems.
    Right now with the Fuji rebates going on. You can buy the E-X1, 18-55,14,18,35 and 60 for around 2800.00
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    Quote Originally Posted by patk View Post
    the new lunar is on amazon and it's definitely amazin'. i would hope hasselblad had its tongue in cheek, but i think it's more likely it had its brains where they don't belong.

    i did think you were being jocular re your specs comment, but then i find even steve huff (who i don't think was kidding) going on about the rx1 being preferable to the new leica. well, yeah, but they're just not directed at the same market segment from what i can see. that's probably why i'm annoyed. leica didn't target me with its new zoom cam. but my wallet remains happy - and firmly closed.
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    Re: New Mini M?

    Really? Never heard, read, or seen anything about Leica inventing 35mm film ... ever. Not enough real stuff to bash Leica with Vivek?

    I can see it now, shaky grand-dads holding this camera at arm's length, wearing their reading glasses while shooting hyper grandkids @ 1/2 second inside the condo ...

    Oh, wait, I'm a Granddad, wear reading glasses, and am looking at condos ... Oh, Oh!



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    Re: New Mini M?

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    Right now with the Fuji rebates going on. You can buy the E-X1, 18-55,14,18,35 and 60 for around 2800.00
    Amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    . Sure, just like Leica invented the 35 mm film.

    Hopefully, Leica can count on enough rich old grandpas to sell this Mini M.
    I assume the rich old grandpas allready spent their money on the MM
    But wait...I am not a grandpa yet-am I still allowed to keep my MM?

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Tom, It is your money and your call.

    Personally, I would invest in Fuji though : http://www.getdpi.com/forum/fuji/465...panasonic.html

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Right now with the Fuji rebates going on. You can buy the E-X1, 18-55,14,18,35 and 60 for around 2800.00
    And you even get 4 lenshoods with your purchase. The one for the Mini-Vario is priced at USD 140

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