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    New Mini M?

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Interesting. I hope it is a digital Leica CL!

    More than that..I really wish that it is not a rebadged Panasonic GX2!!

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    Re: New Mini M?

    I wonder if it will have an optical rangefinder

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by pgmj View Post
    I really, really hope that would be the case!

    Something with M mount, liveview, EVF and the whole works (and no RF) would be sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I really, really hope that would be the case!

    Something with M mount, liveview, EVF and the whole works (and no RF) would be sweet.
    That wouldn't surprise me. But do you think it would be FF or cropped sensor?

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    Re: New Mini M?

    I was just thinking about that! 1X crop would be highly desirable but is unlikely.

    I would speculate that it would be ~1.33X just like the M8 and also 18-20MP.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I was just thinking about that! 1X crop would be highly desirable but is unlikely.

    I would speculate that it would be ~1.33X just like the M8 and also 18-20MP.
    Agree if its anything that will take a M lens than it will be a crop sensor , no question about it. Otherwise it competes with there M 240.

    Maybe 18mpx size it would seem like but same 240 sensor. Most likely EVF only, maybe ala Fuji X-e1

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    I think it'll be Full frame. Maybe cannto switch lenses?

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Who needs a RX1 clone? I do not.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    maybe Leica's micro 4/3's entry, but with M lenses and a CLE size bod

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    My guess: full frame, fixed lens, EVF.

    They need to get the M sensor production higher.
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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    My guess: full frame, fixed lens, EVF.

    They need to get the M sensor production higher.
    Available everywhere by 2015. Plenty of time to save!

    (The funds could be redirected towards a FF NEX when it shows up before the "mini M" )
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    Re: New Mini M?

    Would guess that this is a EVF only M model.

    If FF that would be great and taking M lenses, but that would maybe compete to much with the M240.

    If crop sensor, then I really hope it has a new mount supporting AF and also new AF lenses behind - hopefully taking M lenses via an adapter. Could be like the Fuji XE1 ....

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Should be made in Germany and not another Panasonic. Fits between the existing M and X cameras...

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    Re: New Mini M?

    There is too much competition in the cropped sensor market.

    Leica would be wise to continue with FF sensors, at this point they have no competition in the FF interchangeable lens "mirrorless" camera field.

    Could be interesting, I'm guessing this is a ME replacement using the same 18MP CCD sensor.
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    Re: New Mini M?

    Wasn't that sensor made by Kodak?

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    Re: New Mini M?

    I think:

    - EVF only
    - Full frame and same sensor as M240 (they need to get volume up)
    - Reduced feature set from M240
    - Interchangeable lenses (Leica then makes even more money)

    Or

    - EVF only
    - Full frame and same sensor as M240 (they need to get volume up)
    - Reduced feature set from M240
    - Fixed 35mm or 50mm lens [/LIST]

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    Re: New Mini M?

    But M stands for Me▀sucher i.e. rangefinder.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ario Arioldi View Post
    But M stands for Me▀sucher i.e. rangefinder.
    Indeed. But it seems that all Leicas are M now...

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ario Arioldi View Post
    But M stands for Me▀sucher i.e. rangefinder.
    It won't be called an M. Could be something like E as in Elektronischen, for the type of viewfinder.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    "Mini M" is more a general term than an actual model number. Just like "M" can refer to M, M7, MP (family).

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    Re: New Mini M?

    If it's an non-RF mirrorless with the M 240 sensor , I will get one without hesitation. It has no interest to me with a crop sensor.
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    Re: New Mini M?

    If it┤s EVF, I┤m not interested at all. As a window finder (be it AF or RF), like an X100, then pretty please. An APS-H/M8 crop is fine by me, 35mm equivalent FOV lens.
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    Re: New Mini M?

    The price will gauge my interest.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Well, if they are after the competition, perhaps it is a rebadged Hasselblad Lunar re-rebadge of the Nex 7...
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    Re: New Mini M?

    No, they don't do that. They issue Paul Smith editions and Herpes editions.
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    Re: New Mini M?

    Are you sure, Vivek ?



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    Re: New Mini M?

    Bart, Did I get the name, Paul Smith, wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Bart, Did I get the name, Paul Smith, wrong?
    Nah - but I find the other editions peculiar ....
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    Re: New Mini M?

    Interesting!

    I'm betting on APS-C and interchangeable autofocus lenses. Fuji X competitor with more solid feel/build and twice the cost

    Some of the background reading which some may find of interest:

    Leica to launch new compact system in 2012 [update] - British Journal of Photography

    Leica to launch 'compact system camera' at Photokina 2012 (update) | Amateur Photographer

    Leica photokina Q&A Session - Leica Forum Blog

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Either a FF camera with a fixed 35mm Summicron, a la Sony RX-1, or most likely a cropped (1.3X) M mount, non-rangefinder camera with liveview and EVF. Price probably in the $3500-$4000 price range.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    This campaign.

    Obviously the X2 and D-lux6 aren't M at all...

    No one has guessed right so far

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    Re: New Mini M?

    it will plug directly into your Ipad Mini. For a Maxi experience. I'm kidding. Maybe it will be made to plug directly into your Mini Cooper. I dunno...

    I think it has to hit the 3K price point or less, 2500 really, or it's dead to us. Why? Because why not just use your M, if it's 4K, that buys a new piece of glass.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Folks I'm not betting on full frame at all. One they are calling it a Mini anything smaller than a M it has to be a smaller sensor. The other is Leica is not going to step on there own toes competing directly with there own product. Frankly Leica dont like any competition at all. They like there products unique. Lets not forget they dumped the R line as it was directly going up against the heavy hitters. Also they already had success with a crop sensor in the M8 so they have some history. They are certainly going to take that 240 sensor and get mileage off there technology and volume buying just cut it down. They are also going to take whatever tech they put into the 240 to a certain degree to make use of there R&D.

    I'm certainly betting on a EVF and I'm really thinking a step above over the Fuji but same size.

    Lenses are going to be the wild card. They have the M which is already very established and don't have to do really anything to go to market. But if they go AF than they need to design and build it which takes resources and money obviously. This last part is really my question mark. The rest seems obvious to me. This is my guess at least.
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    Re: New Mini M?

    I don't think it will be a RX1 competitor.

    Working under the assumption that a fair amount of Leica M shooters shoot with only a couple of lenses, the two most popular focal lengths 35mm and 50mm . If they produced a FF fixed lens camera like the RX 1 it would canabalise its M240 ME , and 35mm and 50mm market ( 50mm as the RX1 has a 'crop' option to shoot at 50mm ) . Especially if they paired it with a f2 or f1.4 lens .

    If they are working on a FF RX1 / X100s competitor then I think they would fit a summarit or slower lens so they can continue to sell ME M240 and Summicrons and Luxes for those that only shoot 35mm and want speed.

    More likely is an APS size sensor with an M mount ...they want to keep selling their lenses remember.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    This campaign.

    Obviously the X2 and D-lux6 aren't M at all...

    No one has guessed right so far
    Yeah it seems like a joke to me
    They should stop this Apple copy thing...before it was apple stores-leica stores next was leaving the number ipad3-m9 to new ipad-new M, now it's ipod nano mini-nano M mini M
    Probably they will make a keynote to announce this new product.

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    Big fan of the stores personally

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Hmm, this possibility couldn't have come at a better time for me.

    I just denied my M240 that came in, partially because I didn't think it was quite ready for prime time, but more so because the MM has dominated most of my rangefinder work. Best M I ever had.

    However, I still wouldn't mind a small color sensor M that takes my M lenses for typical vacation/family stuff and even some less demanding paid work on occasion. Was giving thought to a NEX-7 as a stop gap, but now may wait to see how this shakes out.

    Hard to tell if the M names are referring to camera size or sensor size:

    If the Nano M is a 1/1.7" CMOS, the Micro M is a APS-C CMOS, and M240 is a FF CMOS ... what fits in between APS-C and FF? I guess a APS-H 1/3X crop sensor?

    If it takes M lenses, even a crop frame would work for my needs.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Retaining M lenses + AF = moving sensor + EVF

    haven't had that one yet

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    M users should not consider the new product a potential new home for their lenses. The Messsucher range is quite complete with M, Monochrom and M-E.
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    Re: New Mini M?

    So, I shouldn't cancel my pre-order of the M240 after all
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    No, the new product is very exciting but for those that love the rangefinder experience and M glass it is not a replacement
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    Re: New Mini M?

    It is going to be a tiny camera with a tiny (m43rd) sensor. The new Schneider (huge) lenses made for m43rds are supposed fit them with an adapter. So, the camera registry would be less than 20mm.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Nope.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    That is OK. Leica have made it to the main rumors site circuits. This itself is a big achievement!

    We will know soon what is offered in the cardboard box.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Lenses are going to be the wild card.
    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    because the MM has dominated most of my rangefinder work. Best M I ever had.
    However, I still wouldn't mind a small color sensor M that takes my M lenses
    If it takes M lenses, even a crop frame would work for my needs.
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    Guy, I think you are right: the m240 sensor in the size of the m8 sensor. For a lens, a zoom that would take advantage of the smaller sensor size but I hope with an M mount so that we can use these lenses. It would be a grate complement to the MM.

    I wish they would make a ff foveon sensor that would take M lenses.

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Thrice knows!! And judging by his answers in this thread we can deduce that it is not :
    A digital CL
    A micro 4/3 rds offering
    A rangefinder M mount
    An M mount period
    Moving sensor
    A fixed lens FF
    APS interchangeable auto focus

    A
    So what's left that will fit between full frame rangefinder and fixed lens aps sensor ? ...If its not an M mount think it would be unlikely for Leica to bring out a whole new system , so I am going for ...
    A fixed lens with a different sensor inside ( not FF , not APS )

    :-)

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Then we can look forward to the Paula Smith and the other fines editions!

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    Re: New Mini M?

    Even if they did not use the M lenses . It would be nice like Fuji to have a zoom and 3 primes in its own mount AF of course. To me that would make a viable product.

    I'm not so sure Leica would follow Sonys path of a fixed lens. It certainly is limiting .

    Here is something to think about from Leicas shoes. They know everyone and there bother is bolting M glass on there bodies. I'm sure there happy about it but if they built a system more designed for the smaller format and a little less money than they create a new market for themselves. Look at the new Zeiss whatever that silly name is but Leica could be designing a body for lenses like that for its own body , make a M adapter for existing M shooters and sell there line of lenses like Zeiss has been doing. That covers a lot of market folks. Lets face it mirrorless bodies are very popular right now and if there looking at the numbers many folks and even here on the forum. A lot of folks are selling off the big DSLR stuff and moving to Sony, Fuji, Oly and such. They could compete in this new market very well with the Leica branding. If it was me that is what I would do to drive the company. Bottom line this would give them 3 distinct markets, S shooter, M shooter and Mirrorless shooter.

    I know that was too logical . Leica won't do it.ROTFLMAO
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