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    New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

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    New firmware update for the LEICA S and LEICA S2 / News / Home Page - LEICA Camera AG

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    A 45 mm f2,8

    Leica Camera is pleased to add the Leica Elmarit-S 45 mm f/2.8 ASPH., a high-performance wide-angle lens, to its lens portfolio for the Leica S media format system. There are now a total of nine lenses available.

    The Leica Elmarit-S 45 mm f/2.8 ASPH. corresponds to that of a classic 35 mm lens for 35 mm photography. Its moderate wide-angle character with simultaneously natural reproduction of perspectives makes it ideal for landscapes, architectural and studio photography. At the same time, a fast maximum aperture of f/2.8 makes the lens ideal for available-light photography and the conscious use of selective planes of focus. A further highlight of this lens is its excellent control of flare to ensure high-contrast images, even when shooting a back lit subject. A total of 12 lenses are used to achieve the highest optical performance.

    The Leica Elmarit-S 45 mm f/2.8 ASPH. is available at Leica Authorized Dealers in a choice of versions with and without an integrated central shutter.

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Woha!!!

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    GetDPI is slow today, was wondering when someone would start a thread, also I'm surprised at f/2.8. I mean, most of the semi-wide to short tele lenses are f/2.5, including the 30mm.

    Wondering if Leica ever makes Summicrons for the S system...

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    good to see. I wonder why it looks as big as the 35mm while "just" being f2.8?
    I had hoped for a smaller lens, but great for those who want/need the focal length.

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    The 30 is f/2.8.
    Will be interesting to see the performance vs the 35.

    They might one day make a Summicron (or faster) for S but it would be unlikely that it would be compatible with central shutters. Most medium format professionals are not shooting at large aperture as uber-shallow DOF does not suit most subjects other than the really boring ones needing a gimmick.

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    I'm hoping this lens is at my workshop next week. Love to try it and the Leica rep will be on site. Might be time and I waited a long time since the beginning to think S seriously for me. My 2 issues are costs obviously but C1 support I would really like. I'm not a Lightroom fan but I have not tried it for a long time. Don't even have it on my computer. Anyway a full Leica S system will be available next week at the Acadia workshop for me to use if I want too. Might have to do a compare to my D800e with some if the best lenses I have for Nikon. Hmmm
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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    The 30 is f/2.8.
    Will be interesting to see the performance vs the 35.

    They might one day make a Summicron (or faster) for S but it would be unlikely that it would be compatible with central shutters. Most medium format professionals are not shooting at large aperture as uber-shallow DOF does not suit most subjects other than the really boring ones needing a gimmick.
    Doesn't that depend on focal length and distance to subject?

    I use the CS120/2.5 @ f/2.5 and 2.8 a lot for portraits which keeps ears to nose tip in focus for waist up shots ... also use the CS35/2.5 @ 2.5 a fair amount ... not as a "gimmick" but to isolate the subject from an uninteresting or cluttered background.

    At least control of the DOF is one thing these god cursed cell phones can't do ... yet.

    The Zeiss 110FE is a f/2 max aperture ... it's like a noctilux when used close up on a MF camera ...

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Guy,

    ...a full Leica S system will be available next week at the Acadia workshop for me to use if I want too. Might have to do a compare to my D800e with some if the best lenses I have for Nikon.
    I for one would be extremely interested to learn of your findings.

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    I have a D800E and a Leica S2. Both produce outstanding images
    even when I make prints as large as 40x60 inches. But, there is a
    clearly evident difference between the systems in terms of the
    character of the images and the "draw" of the lenses. The Leica lenses
    create a micro-contrast that is 3-dimensional. The tonal range is
    remarkable (as is the dynamic range of the camera per se). There appears
    to be more texture with the Leica lenses and the amount of
    post processing adjustments seems less with the Leica lenses. (All compared
    to such Nikon lenses as the 14-24, 24-70 and 70-200.)

    There is simply no "fall off" in contrast or focus across the entire image
    frame with the Leica lenses.

    I suspect that the Leica "draw" is closer to Zeiss' although the latter
    may be more "punchy" with respect to color.

    There is another large difference between the two systems: bokeh.
    Not whether there is bokeh -- both have nice bokeh -- but the style
    or character of the bokeh. With Nikon, you can clearly see ("draw
    a line") where focus and out of focus occur, where the bokeh begins.

    With the Leica, the shift is "gradual" and sometimes you don't even
    realize you have crossed the line it is so "natural" in its appearance.
    Once there, circles of light are just that -- circles, and there is no
    jitterness with the Leica. lenses. But it is definitely different from the
    Nikon (and Zeiss for that matter). This is a matter of taste.

    Finally, there is a marked difference in depth of field for a particular
    f/stop which is not surprising given one is 35mm and the other near
    medium format. Basically, as a rule of thumb, take two stops off
    the expected depth of field for the Leica. This can become challenging
    and I have learned focus stacking with the Leica.

    Hope this helps.
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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by AreBee View Post
    Guy,

    I for one would be extremely interested to learn of your findings.

    That goes for me too, looking forward to your findings, Guy.

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    The 30 is f/2.8.
    Ah crap, I meant to say 35.

    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    Most medium format professionals are not shooting at large aperture as uber-shallow DOF does not suit most subjects other than the really boring ones needing a gimmick.
    There are plenty of MF lenses faster than f/2.5, not to mention the S sensor is quite smaller than 645, so the DOF at f/2.5 is deeper than f/2.8 on a 40x54mm sensor, assuming identical distance/framing.

    Finally, shallow DOF is only a gimmick/crutch for bad photographers, and there are no bad MF photographers; not after investing 5/6 digits into gear.

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Anyway a full Leica S system will be available next week at the Acadia workshop for me to use if I want too.
    With the government shutdown, and the parks being closed, I wish you all the luck that the silliness in Washington will stop and your workshop will be a success. I've only been to Acadia once, two years ago, but it's made my "favorite places" list.

    I shoot with an S and just got back from the San Juan Mountains in Colorado (Ouray, Ridgeway, etc.). The lenses I used were the 30-90mm znd the 180mm. The 30-90mm is a dream lens - sharp corner to corner, brilliant micro-contrast - and virtually eliminated my need to carry the 35mm and 70mm.

    Quote Originally Posted by craigrudlin View Post
    The Leica lenses
    create a micro-contrast that is 3-dimensional. The tonal range is
    remarkable (as is the dynamic range of the camera per se). There appears
    to be more texture with the Leica lenses and the amount of
    post processing adjustments seems less with the Leica lenses.
    Totally agree. I sold my Nikon kit (D800E and all lenses) last year as a result.

    The firmware upgrade yesterday also fixed two criticisms I had of the S. Making the self-timer/MUP setting and the bracketing setting "sticky" now eliminates the "button dance" after every off/on cycle and after every sleep/wake-up cycle. Wish the update had been available before my trip.

    Joe
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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    I have both the D800E and the S2 and think both Craig and Joe nailed the differences . The larger sensor and the best Leica lenses is hard to beat for a beautiful rendering .

    I have also built a R kit for the D800E form 19-180R lenses plus a few of the Zeiss Zf.2 . The R lenses close the gap and produce a similar bokeh ...with the summiluxes ..roll off ,micro contrast ,excellent clean color transmission . They don t quite match the S2 but for some applications I prefer the D800E kit ( high ISO,travel ,street etc).

    The S2 is much easier to work with (AF , great color calibration etc). Its also a giant effort to find the R glass ,convert to Leitax and in some cases shave the lenses.

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    The lenses available next week are a Hassy 24 with adapter, 35,70 and 120. Hopefully everything is updated but at least one day I want to shoot it. The rest well they have every tech cam and different backs that I can think of to play with Alpa, Arca, Cambo and a sinartec tech cam. Backs run the gamut IQ in every flavor and IQ 2 260 and Acromatic, credo 60 and some others. Plus a full Leica S and M kit and more goodies.

    This could be dangerous. LOL

    Even a full Alpa kit with 4 lenses and really good ones at that.
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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Not worried about the park being opened , plenty of great spots outside it if we can't get in.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Not worried about the park being opened , plenty of great spots outside it if we can't get in.


    For most human beings, this "park closure", nationwide is an enigma. How can one shut down a park that spans hundreds or even thousands of miles! Is the air still available there or it is all just a vacuum?

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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post


    For most human beings, this "park closure", nationwide is an enigma. How can one shut down a park that spans hundreds or even thousands of miles! Is the air still available there or it is all just a vacuum?
    They lock the gates and spanning those hundreds or thousands of miles by foot can be problematic. You also need to pay to get into these parks and if you don't have a seasons pass, it might be a problem if you get caught inside the park.
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    Re: New Firmware Leica S and Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    I have both the D800E and the S2 and think both Craig and Joe nailed the differences . The larger sensor and the best Leica lenses is hard to beat for a beautiful rendering .

    I have also built a R kit for the D800E form 19-180R lenses plus a few of the Zeiss Zf.2 . The R lenses close the gap and produce a similar bokeh ...with the summiluxes ..roll off ,micro contrast ,excellent clean color transmission . They don t quite match the S2 but for some applications I prefer the D800E kit ( high ISO,travel ,street etc).

    The S2 is much easier to work with (AF , great color calibration etc). Its also a giant effort to find the R glass ,convert to Leitax and in some cases shave the lenses.
    I agree abot the Leica S. The IQ (color, sharpness,detail,and transition to the oof areas) is impressive, comined with a very accurate af and a big bright viewfinder.
    Plus not much post ptocessing needed. Looks like the firmware has also improved the focus lock speed.

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