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Let's just say I'm not surprised it looks like a lil' Mac Pro with a lens. 
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Leica RED M Revealed
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This thing looks more hindered than even the M9 Ti edition with all the things missing (and changed). I'm not even sure it's capable of shooting in movie mode.
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"Being superficially different is the goal of so many of the products we see... Rather than trying to innovate and genuinely taking the time, investing the resources and caring enough to try and make something better. " - Jonathan Ive
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Vivek
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It is white and not red.
Clearly nothing original. Looks like the inspiration* comes from the soap boxy Canon EOS-M.
*Hope, it is not going to be a Swiss railway story all over again!
Clearly nothing original. Looks like the inspiration* comes from the soap boxy Canon EOS-M.
*Hope, it is not going to be a Swiss railway story all over again!
Double Negative
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Yeah, the illuminated framelines came from the M9 Ti.
I think they should've offered green as an option, as the eye is most sensitive in that spectrum. But red is good too; it doesn't ruin your night vision like white does. It wouldn't be hard; you can use a multi-color LED that've been available for years now.
I think they should've offered green as an option, as the eye is most sensitive in that spectrum. But red is good too; it doesn't ruin your night vision like white does. It wouldn't be hard; you can use a multi-color LED that've been available for years now.
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
Does look like a Braun, yes, but then, much of what Sir Ive has designed lately seem to be inspired by Dieter Rams, and he's not the only one. I wouldn't mind owning one, but I guess the price.... :loco:
newson is a talented guy; here is one of his works that we built for him...
Google Image Result for http://gdr.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/picture_2_2.png
and we made his 120' fence in miami:
http://www.designdistrictmag.com/happenings_spring08.htm
Google Image Result for http://gdr.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/picture_2_2.png
and we made his 120' fence in miami:
http://www.designdistrictmag.com/happenings_spring08.htm
Lars
Active member
Sure - he's still gutless. No design, just rounded rectangles all over. We saw this on the Ti PowerBook 12 years ago. And we certainly saw it in Rams' designs in the 60's.
I also question the choice of material - oxidized aluminium has poor grip - especially in cold weather. Not impressed.
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
I wouldn't worry. Apparently, they are only going to make a single copy. I doubt any of us will end up with the highest bid. Hopefully, it will end up in the hands of somebody who has the guts to use it, but somehow, I doubt it
During the seventies, I owned a Braun Mach 2 lighter. It was such a pleasure to use that after successfully quitting smoking, I started again just to feel the smooth operation of that device. No, I'm not joking :ROTFL:
I later lost it during a mid winter sled ride in Røros. The girl riding with me made me lose my concentration. Good for my health, don't you think?
Mine was a black one. I see that they go for $2-300 on the auction site still
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Vivek
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The ingenuity of the design is pointed out here:
Apple Designer Jony Ive designs an UGLY special Leica M for charity. | Mirrorless Rumors
"It has got moire!"
:ROTFL:
It is a perfect moire target! :clap:
Apple Designer Jony Ive designs an UGLY special Leica M for charity. | Mirrorless Rumors
"It has got moire!"
:ROTFL:
It is a perfect moire target! :clap:
Stuart Richardson
Active member
My brother-in-law is an industrial designer and asked me about it. I took some notes from you guys regarding a few things...particularly from Lars who mentioned the cold-weather problem...
My take:
"I think it is terrible! It takes away every last vestige of ergonomics from the camera, and the design has totally crippled it from a functional standpoint. A number of components of the camera have been removed entirely in order to make it a cleaner, smoother design. There is no hotshoe; no EVF port; no cable release threading; no movie button on the top plate; no microphone and no possible opportunity for one, since the hotshoe is gone; and they have gone so far as to remove the main click wheel from the rear of the camera. Consequently, it will be much more difficult to navigate the images, menus or do any exposure compensation. It has non-standard strap lugs, so you would need a special strap to use it…one does not appear to be included. The lens has had the focusing tab removed, so there is no tactile differentiation between the aperture setting and the focusing. The lens appears to lack a lens hood, or even any filter threads that would allow the use of an add-on hood or filter. The shutter speed dial and on-off switch appear to be very difficult to use without looking at them directly from above. Again, they seem to have removed any tactility from them…they do not appear to be usable with the camera held up to one's eye, which is their basic function.
As a whole, there does not appear to be a good way to keep the camera in the hand. Since everything has been smoothed, flattened and rounded, there is nowhere for the hand to rest. The lack of a grippy texture or moulding suggests that it will be either slippery and/or fatiguing to hold. If those are really holes in the aluminum, they would quickly clog with dust, dirt and grime…the last things you want near a camera sensor. The materials choice also seems questionable -- aluminum is a very good conductor heat, which means this camera will be brutally cold to hold onto in cold weather. This is a problem, as there is no way that any of those buttons, dials or rings are going to turn by someone wearing gloves.
I know this camera is for charity, and will likely never be used, but it really bothers me as it seems to be the exact OPPOSITE purpose that design should strive for. It has taken a functional design and made it dramatically less functional to suit a particular aesthetic. It offers no new utility for the camera, and all it proves is that the designers can make a Leica look like a Mac Pro. So what? I think it diminishes the brand, the designers and the camera."
Pretty harsh. And I say while these words are being computed in a Mac Pro. I don't mind the aesthetic so much, but in this case it does not fit at all...
My take:
"I think it is terrible! It takes away every last vestige of ergonomics from the camera, and the design has totally crippled it from a functional standpoint. A number of components of the camera have been removed entirely in order to make it a cleaner, smoother design. There is no hotshoe; no EVF port; no cable release threading; no movie button on the top plate; no microphone and no possible opportunity for one, since the hotshoe is gone; and they have gone so far as to remove the main click wheel from the rear of the camera. Consequently, it will be much more difficult to navigate the images, menus or do any exposure compensation. It has non-standard strap lugs, so you would need a special strap to use it…one does not appear to be included. The lens has had the focusing tab removed, so there is no tactile differentiation between the aperture setting and the focusing. The lens appears to lack a lens hood, or even any filter threads that would allow the use of an add-on hood or filter. The shutter speed dial and on-off switch appear to be very difficult to use without looking at them directly from above. Again, they seem to have removed any tactility from them…they do not appear to be usable with the camera held up to one's eye, which is their basic function.
As a whole, there does not appear to be a good way to keep the camera in the hand. Since everything has been smoothed, flattened and rounded, there is nowhere for the hand to rest. The lack of a grippy texture or moulding suggests that it will be either slippery and/or fatiguing to hold. If those are really holes in the aluminum, they would quickly clog with dust, dirt and grime…the last things you want near a camera sensor. The materials choice also seems questionable -- aluminum is a very good conductor heat, which means this camera will be brutally cold to hold onto in cold weather. This is a problem, as there is no way that any of those buttons, dials or rings are going to turn by someone wearing gloves.
I know this camera is for charity, and will likely never be used, but it really bothers me as it seems to be the exact OPPOSITE purpose that design should strive for. It has taken a functional design and made it dramatically less functional to suit a particular aesthetic. It offers no new utility for the camera, and all it proves is that the designers can make a Leica look like a Mac Pro. So what? I think it diminishes the brand, the designers and the camera."
Pretty harsh. And I say while these words are being computed in a Mac Pro. I don't mind the aesthetic so much, but in this case it does not fit at all...
Double Negative
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I noted pretty much the exact same things (see article). This design takes more away than it adds. But then, this isn't a camera.
Stuart Richardson
Active member
Yes, I see! I agree that it takes away more than it adds, but I really question what the designers' rationale was. What is the purpose of this? Just to make a pretty object? Because they really did not "design" anything. They did not address any problems and improve them...quite the opposite. And this took a year and hundreds of prototypes? What then is this all about? This is like designing a Ferrari to look like an Eames chair and putting office chair castors on it instead of wheels. It will still roll, but not nearly like the original! If there is something of the Apple design that would have been well implemented, why not do that. How about a retina touch screen on the back instead of the regular display? Instead we get the part of the design which is largely useless, or at least employed for a specific reason in a computer (perforations for ventilation or sound-transfer) employed for no reason other than aesthetics in this implementation.