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    Leica RED M Revealed

    Let's just say I'm not surprised it looks like a lil' Mac Pro with a lens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leica Camera
    Leica Camera is pleased to present The Leica M for (RED), designed by Jony Ive and Marc Newson. The camera, based off the Leica M, will be auctioned off at Southeby’s on November 23rd 2013 to raise money for The Global Fund to fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria.

    From a design standpoint, it features a laser machined aluminum body and an anodized aluminum outer shell. A total of 561 models and nearly 1000 prototype parts were made during the 85 days it took to create of this unique, one of a kind camera.

    The camera has s a full-format CMOS sensor, high performance processor and new Leica APO-Summicron –M 50mm f/2 ASPH lens representing the best in photography along with its innovative design.
    Leica RED M Revealed!

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    This thing looks more hindered than even the M9 Ti edition with all the things missing (and changed). I'm not even sure it's capable of shooting in movie mode.

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    Function is a more important component to design than aesthetics.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    "Being superficially different is the goal of so many of the products we see... Rather than trying to innovate and genuinely taking the time, investing the resources and caring enough to try and make something better. " - Jonathan Ive

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    This is clearly a one-off designed to showcase the beauty of the design and not to be more functional.

    Ive is famous for making things as pretty as possible without too much intrusion into function. This is the same, gorgeous, without too much intrusion.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    If they give me one, I'll be happy to do functionality testing.

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    If this is the best Sir Ive can come up with, then I think the original design isn't that far off. Didn't the LED framelines in the new M came out of the Titanium M9? What features out of this one would you like to see in the M(240)P? Not much for me.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    It is white and not red.

    Clearly nothing original. Looks like the inspiration* comes from the soap boxy Canon EOS-M.

    *Hope, it is not going to be a Swiss railway story all over again!

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    Yeah, the illuminated framelines came from the M9 Ti.

    I think they should've offered green as an option, as the eye is most sensitive in that spectrum. But red is good too; it doesn't ruin your night vision like white does. It wouldn't be hard; you can use a multi-color LED that've been available for years now.

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Wow, that looks like a... Braun. Dieter Rams all over. Lame - Ive has no guts.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Wow, that looks like a... Braun. Dieter Rams all over. Lame - Ive has no guts.
    Does look like a Braun, yes, but then, much of what Sir Ive has designed lately seem to be inspired by Dieter Rams, and he's not the only one. I wouldn't mind owning one, but I guess the price....

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    newson is a talented guy; here is one of his works that we built for him...
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    and we made his 120' fence in miami:
    http://www.designdistrictmag.com/hap...s_spring08.htm

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Does look like a Braun, yes, but then, much of what Sir Ive has designed lately seem to be inspired by Dieter Rams, and he's not the only one. I wouldn't mind owning one, but I guess the price....
    Sure - he's still gutless. No design, just rounded rectangles all over. We saw this on the Ti PowerBook 12 years ago. And we certainly saw it in Rams' designs in the 60's.

    I also question the choice of material - oxidized aluminium has poor grip - especially in cold weather. Not impressed.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    I also question the choice of material - oxidized aluminium has poor grip - especially in cold weather. Not impressed.
    I wouldn't worry. Apparently, they are only going to make a single copy. I doubt any of us will end up with the highest bid. Hopefully, it will end up in the hands of somebody who has the guts to use it, but somehow, I doubt it

    During the seventies, I owned a Braun Mach 2 lighter. It was such a pleasure to use that after successfully quitting smoking, I started again just to feel the smooth operation of that device. No, I'm not joking

    I later lost it during a mid winter sled ride in RÝros. The girl riding with me made me lose my concentration. Good for my health, don't you think?



    Mine was a black one. I see that they go for $2-300 on the auction site still
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Hey, the M9 titanium is kind of hot. This RED is not

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    The ingenuity of the design is pointed out here:

    Apple Designer Jony Ive designs an UGLY special Leica M for charity. | Mirrorless Rumors

    "It has got moire!"



    It is a perfect moire target!

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    My brother-in-law is an industrial designer and asked me about it. I took some notes from you guys regarding a few things...particularly from Lars who mentioned the cold-weather problem...
    My take:
    "I think it is terrible! It takes away every last vestige of ergonomics from the camera, and the design has totally crippled it from a functional standpoint. A number of components of the camera have been removed entirely in order to make it a cleaner, smoother design. There is no hotshoe; no EVF port; no cable release threading; no movie button on the top plate; no microphone and no possible opportunity for one, since the hotshoe is gone; and they have gone so far as to remove the main click wheel from the rear of the camera. Consequently, it will be much more difficult to navigate the images, menus or do any exposure compensation. It has non-standard strap lugs, so you would need a special strap to use it…one does not appear to be included. The lens has had the focusing tab removed, so there is no tactile differentiation between the aperture setting and the focusing. The lens appears to lack a lens hood, or even any filter threads that would allow the use of an add-on hood or filter. The shutter speed dial and on-off switch appear to be very difficult to use without looking at them directly from above. Again, they seem to have removed any tactility from them…they do not appear to be usable with the camera held up to one's eye, which is their basic function.

    As a whole, there does not appear to be a good way to keep the camera in the hand. Since everything has been smoothed, flattened and rounded, there is nowhere for the hand to rest. The lack of a grippy texture or moulding suggests that it will be either slippery and/or fatiguing to hold. If those are really holes in the aluminum, they would quickly clog with dust, dirt and grime…the last things you want near a camera sensor. The materials choice also seems questionable -- aluminum is a very good conductor heat, which means this camera will be brutally cold to hold onto in cold weather. This is a problem, as there is no way that any of those buttons, dials or rings are going to turn by someone wearing gloves.

    I know this camera is for charity, and will likely never be used, but it really bothers me as it seems to be the exact OPPOSITE purpose that design should strive for. It has taken a functional design and made it dramatically less functional to suit a particular aesthetic. It offers no new utility for the camera, and all it proves is that the designers can make a Leica look like a Mac Pro. So what? I think it diminishes the brand, the designers and the camera."

    Pretty harsh. And I say while these words are being computed in a Mac Pro. I don't mind the aesthetic so much, but in this case it does not fit at all...
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    why does this one look better?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    ...My take:...
    I noted pretty much the exact same things (see article). This design takes more away than it adds. But then, this isn't a camera.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Yes, I see! I agree that it takes away more than it adds, but I really question what the designers' rationale was. What is the purpose of this? Just to make a pretty object? Because they really did not "design" anything. They did not address any problems and improve them...quite the opposite. And this took a year and hundreds of prototypes? What then is this all about? This is like designing a Ferrari to look like an Eames chair and putting office chair castors on it instead of wheels. It will still roll, but not nearly like the original! If there is something of the Apple design that would have been well implemented, why not do that. How about a retina touch screen on the back instead of the regular display? Instead we get the part of the design which is largely useless, or at least employed for a specific reason in a computer (perforations for ventilation or sound-transfer) employed for no reason other than aesthetics in this implementation.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    "They did not design anything" is Mike Johnston's point at The Online Photographer. He compares this object to a Rolls Royce that's been painted by an artist.

    We wouldn't say that the artist "designed" the Rolls.

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    It's a "piece of art" - a one-time collectible. Auction fodder. Nothing more. Improving on the M itself, I don't believe, was ever a consideration (though it would've been nice to see what Ive could do on that front).
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    I think asking Ive to do it at all was simply capitalising on his fame. I don't have the impression from this that he loves cameras in the way that Mr Kobayashi at CV did when he designed that lovely analog gauge on the top plate of the RD-1. This is so sterile, and so far removed from the 'camera porn' that I grew up with (I mean the big colour photos of Spotmatics, Konicas and Olympus cameras with impossibly tinted lens coatings that took up full-page ads in the camera mags of the seventies). It neither moves me aesthetically nor does it look usable.

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    FWIW, this is not Ive's first camera...

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    C'mon it's an ornament and it's perfect!

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    I would love to have a fully manual 24mp Leica M FF CMOS with good ISO to 10,000 with no video, no FPS.

    So come on Leica. I'm waiting....

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Apart from making a perfect moire target, the design with tiny holes also might dissipate heat better which in turn would give clean ISO10,000s easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Apart from making a perfect moire target, the design with tiny holes also might dissipate heat better which in turn would give clean ISO10,000s easy.
    LoL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suneohair View Post
    Function is a more important component to design than aesthetics.
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    Hi,
    I believe that the point is that I believe that function in this case is: Get a lot of money for the RED campain.

    So compromising to much for making it an excellent photography tool will be sacrificing function for from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suneohair View Post
    Function is a more important component to design than aesthetics.
    - Every great designer, ever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Apart from making a perfect moire target, the design with tiny holes also might dissipate heat better which in turn would give clean ISO10,000s easy.
    And make it totally weather sealed ....
    OR maybe not

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by chrism View Post
    I think asking Ive to do it at all was simply capitalising on his fame. I don't have the impression from this that he loves cameras in the way that Mr Kobayashi at CV did when he designed that lovely analog gauge on the top plate of the RD-1.
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    Mr. Kobayashi didn't. That was an Epson contribution.

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Up for grabs!

    ‚‰• Unieke Jony Ive en Marc Newson Leica M - Antiek | Speelgoed - Marktplaats.nl

    He "bought" it on Nov 23 2013, battery flap broke and fxied it with a piece of tape.

    PS: The price is on the high side.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    LOL... Good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    He "bought" it on Nov 23 2013, ...
    Not only is it a design icon,
    it's from the FUTURE!

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Sheesh.. still that fugly big red dot...
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    FWIW, this is not Ive's first camera...

    GOOD eye! Makes you kind of wonder where he got the design cues for his M, doesn't it?

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    ^ Yeah, just slightly obvious, Chuck, LOL!

    A little more wood for the fire...

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    ^ Yeah, just slightly obvious, Chuck, LOL!

    A little more wood for the fire...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Jones View Post
    GOOD eye! Makes you kind of wonder where he got the design cues for his M, doesn't it?
    I had two of those back in 2005 and was using it to video conference with my family while away on military duty. We take FaceTime, Skype and the like for granted today, but in 2005 this was cutting edge stuff.

    The camera had decent credentials as webcams went. It was firewire powered, VGA resolution (low), but at something like 30 fps, which was incredible in 2005. modern Macs and FaceTime don't really look very different today.

    Oh, and it was a very cool-looking design back in the day.
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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Definitely; that original iSight was quite ahead of the curve.

    I actually still have the first "web cam" - the Quickcam. It attached via the parallel port and was B&W only. It wasn't really intended as a web cam, but using Linux you were able to set it up as one; snapping a new picture and posting it online every X minutes. I was one of the first (in the world) to have this setup.

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    Re: Leica RED M Revealed

    Since everyone is just <sarcasm> dying </sarcasm> to see this bad boy...

    You can check it out at Leica Store SoHo (NYC) from November 14th to the 17th, where it sits in (surely not the last) glass showcase.

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