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    Monochrom or M240?

    I enjoy black & white fotos. Still saving $ for leica. Any pro ideas on choosing Monochrom or M240? Thanks.

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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    If you are going to shoot B&W only then it should be a no brainer. If you think you need to shoot color and you don't have another color digital camera then the M240.

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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    There's a long thread here about this. Search for it.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    I'm a M Mono shooter … I now only have the MM because I don't shoot much rangefinder color.

    For the few color shots I may do when away from home I carry the tiny Sony A7R with a M lens adapter (how well that works depends on which M lenses you have, and may favor).

    Personally, I think the M240 is an excellent rangefinder camera but I do not like the color rendering, especially skin tones … and I also think that rendering makes B&W conversions a bit more difficult.

    The MM is also a much better high ISO camera for B&W than the M240 … and in most cases even the Sony A7R which is pretty good at high ISO imagery.

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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    HI There
    Well - I have both, and I use the M240 much more than the Monochrom. I think the black and white conversions with the M240 work much better than with the M9.
    Marc and I have different feelings about the colour - he doesn't like the slight IR sensitivity - but I think the colour is fantastic for nature (better than the M9) and that the skin tones are better than the M9 at high ISO (low ISO is a wash).

    But - if you're in doubt, the real difference is the camera - the much quieter shutter, shorter lag, water sealing, better battery life, greatly improved rangefinder and high res LCD on the M240 all make it a pleasure to use, and Live view can be useful if you're shooting wide - it also allows you to use R lenses, Contax and many many other fine lenses that you can't on the MM.

    I think I'd say that if you almost never shoot colour, and you're mostly shooting people in lowish light, then the MM is worth considering - for any other circumstances, then the M240 is a bit of a no-brainer.

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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    I am asking myself this question now as well. 95% of what I do is B&W, but the fact that the Monochrom is a lot older technology gives me pause. M240 for head and Monochrom for heart?
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hausen View Post
    but the fact that the Monochrom is a lot older technology gives me pause...
    But, the tech is much more advanced than B&W film

    I sold the M240 and kept the Monochrom. For me, it's that good. The flexibility of the files and the high ISO performance is awesome.

    For color, I mostly am plowing through Portra and Provia with an array of film cameras. Or the GXR M mount.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Old technology? I have no desire to upgrade from my MM. The prints from MM files are amazing so 18MPs is just fine for me and the MM has to much automation as it is and the high ISO performance is also plenty for what I shoot. If you shoot a lot of B&W then the MM may just be worth it to you.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Owning both cameras, the MM will be with me long after the M240. Just a personal preference. Some say they can get the files of the M240 to look as good as the MM. I just haven't seen it yet. And in print, no way. This is totally subjective on my end of course, but I've been and will always be an MM fan.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Thanks guys. Just the push I needed.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Great points to everyone. If you want a BW machine like no other, that allows vast freedom and creativity within the spectrum of BW, get the Monochrom. If you want an all rounder that can do color and coverts well to BW, it's the M240. I chose the MM, as I like my M9's colors and limitations, and use other options for low light color shooting...
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Thanks a lot for great ideas. Really a hard choice.

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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    I recently had to decide the same thing...

    Went with the MM.

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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    MM here as well. When I want color, I use my Canon or in the future the mint and serviced M5 I just ordered from Sherry Krauter.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    My brain says M240, so I have the MM. My brain says get a Sony A7 for color, but I'm sticking with my M9. Obvious I don't think too convincingly, so I don't think too often.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Mike, great stuff. And having the M9 and A7, they have different color signatures, but both work well...THe M9 has that certain clarity, but the A7 has more dynamic range and better low light capacity.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    MM. The M240 has a lot of good things going for it, but a bit bloated. If you need/want those features, then go for it. However, the MM is a very special machine, and the quality/high iso is just very special. I rented one and was giggling for days after using it. Its charm is quite surprising.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    I recently bought an MM and I'm giggling too.

    early examples here:
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    The MM is addictive. I love that it was already anachronistic when I bought it, so I will never really feel the need to move on. As long as there are computers and software capable of working with the MM's DNG files and as long as the camera works (available batteries and hopefully no needed repairs), it will be and remain something very special.

    I'm sure Leica will eventually release an M240 or M250 Monochrom version with CMOS, but there is magic in that CCD.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Got my MM last Friday and feels like I am home, coming back to Leica from my Sony foray. Really happy I chose MM over M240. Just makes sense.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Congratulations David. I am sure you'll enjoy this among camera.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Congrats David, and welcome to the club.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    MM for me too. I'm a 95% B&W shooter and all it took was to compare RAW files to see the clear advantage for the MM in IQ. The extra bells and whistles of the M240 are not important to me, personally, so the decision was simple.

    The Monochrom, IMO, still has peerless image quality in FF.

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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    I'm so glad Leica wasn't able to deliver the M240 to me within a reasonable time so i canceled the order and got an MM instead. Oh boy, never look back again, always would go for the MM now.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    I'm not sure that MM versus M240 is a valid comparison.

    Just because you can convert a colour image to B/W doesn't mean that you should or must.

    Colour and B/W photography are surely fundamentally different; the one about colours, complementary and contrasting, the other about line, shape etc.

    So, which do you prefer? The camera is only a tool, a means to an end.

    If you mostly do B/W, go for the MM. If you'd like the occasional colour, what about the Ricoh that can use Leica mount lenses, or the Sony A7R? Or even a Ricoh GRD if you are happy with a fixed focal length.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    ...what about the Ricoh that can use Leica mount lenses...
    For color - I'm using the GXR - M mount. And an M7 with film.
    But haven't shot a roll of B&W since getting the Monochrom.
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    My kit now is MM, Sony RX-1 and M6 Ti for colour. All fits in my favourite crumpler bag. All bases covered
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    Re: Monochrom or M240?

    Jono might appreciate this. I'm going back to my Kodak 14nx for good light color work, I still prefer the Kodak color to all other dslrs. The MM is my go to, best camera I've ever had.
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