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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Tut, tut. Some naughty people have already posted their mini-reviews.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

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    Tut, tut. Some naughty people have already posted their mini-reviews.
    Who and where?
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Looks like the official site is up. Great shots there by Jono, among others. IQ looks impressive at first blush!

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    The link is dead, Ashwin.
    Or is it the wrong link ?
    Perhaps they took it down ?

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    still working for me... although none of the videos are working.

    edit: nevermind, they took it down... it went away after I tried to refresh it.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Pictures and text of most everything from the Leica T website!
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Interesting. my link still works, but maybe it was saved on my cache...the videos were broken, but the site was up. In summary, a touch screen, couple of dials up top, 2 lenses (23 f/2 'cron, and along a normal zoom) all very compact, with reportedly fast and silent AF...emphasis on simplicty of use...IQ looked great at web size. nice colors, sharp files, with a sampling from several photographers, including Jono and others. Introduction by Dr. Kaufmann. Accessories to colorize your camera, made by audi, and some elegant, grey looking cases/half cases/holsters.... Also an new EVF with GPS, which I am hoping is an upgrade to the VF2 and allowable on the M240. Way cooler looking that the VF2...it's actually what I am most hopeful for. No pricing was listed on the site...
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Michael's site has the pics and most of the details up now....
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    please post specs on new evf as soon as you see 'em
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Lenses without aperture rings. Really, Leica?

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    Lenses without aperture rings. Really, Leica?
    What is the world coming to.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    body shape is a bit un-sophisticated imo

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Hate to say it, but I guess we were right about the Leica T.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    body shape is a bit un-sophisticated imo
    Hi John
    Perhaps, but if it's real it makes a refreshing change from the current batch of 'retro'. In fact, it seems rather odd that whilst everyone else is going retro, Leica seems to be doing industrial chic. We live in terrifying times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Perhaps, but if it's real it makes a refreshing change from the current batch of 'retro'. In fact, it seems rather odd that whilst everyone else is going retro, Leica seems to be doing industrial chic. We live in terrifying times!
    Amen, brother Jono! Preach it. This is a forward-looking design, IMO.

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    Amen, brother Jono! Preach it. This is a forward-looking design, IMO.
    HI Michael
    Well, at least it's not boring! (assuming it isn't all a big scam and they're about to announce a new D-Lux 7 (or is that 8?)


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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    It does not look like the EVF will attach to a M 240. Not surprised, but kind of hoped... Curious about the SF-26 flash, mainly, does it move for a bounce configuration?

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    The flash does tilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    Lenses without aperture rings. Really, Leica?
    That ship sailed when Leica introduced the S2 and S lenses back in 2008.

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    The design looks very Bauhaus. I want a yellow one ... :-)

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Great design. I'm very tempted but there are three major show-stoppers:

    1. No image stabilisation.

    2. External EVF. Other than entry level cameras like the NEX 3, all mid to top end mirror-less nowadays have integrated EVF's. I really dislike external EVF's.

    3. The price (if true). $3,000 (body only) buys an awful lot of camera nowadays.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    In concept, etc. I like the camera. It's a Leica, and it's high-end (in terms of machining, optics, etc.) and a lot like Apple products (whom they strive to imitate)... There's a price premium. But we all know that. And seriously, products from both companies are very well designed and executed (well, most of the time). That makes them desirable enough to some. I know I like those aspects in my purchases.

    So, price aside... Will it be a big seller? Probably not, but I suspect it will be popular enough. And while the camera isn't for the likes of us, I dare say - it sure is neat. C'mon? Let's not think like photographers for a minute and put ourselves in the target demographic. Touchscreen? WiFi? iOS/Android control? Best of both worlds on lenses; prime and zoom - rather than being forced into a decision like the X cameras. "Only" 16.5MP? Again, for the target demographic - they want pictures to share on social media and to send to relatives. They don't know or care that it's APS-C either. It's better than most compacts that utilize tiny sensors. And it's got a ton of cool, colorful accessories. It matches your svelte MacBook and iPad (grin). Come to think it, they might just sell a buttload...

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Let's not think like photographers for a minute and put ourselves in the target demographic. Touchscreen? WiFi? iOS/Android control? Best of both worlds on lenses; prime and zoom - rather than being forced into a decision like the X cameras. "Only" 16.5MP? Again, for the target demographic - they want pictures to share on social media and to send to relatives. They don't know or care that it's APS-C either. It's better than most compacts that utilize tiny sensors. And it's got a ton of cool, colorful accessories. It matches your svelte MacBook and iPad (grin). Come to think it, they might just sell a buttload...
    It this is Leica's target demographic, they will fail big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    It this is Leica's target demographic, they will fail big time.
    Of course it is. They're going the "luxury good" route to fill the nice boutiques.

    The cameras for photographers are the M and S.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    - Contemporary German design... check
    - Will mount zillions of Leica lenses manufactured through the last 8 decades... check
    - No piece of wood bolted on... check
    - No lizard skin or tiger testicles... check
    - No claims of having been to the moon, to Iffesheim or other places where most people won't go to take photos... check
    - A seemingly complete range of accessories available from the outset... check
    - It's actually a Leica... check

    Great work, Leica. This is the way to approach the luxury goods market. If the camera is as good as it looks, I will be very tempted myself

    As for design, it's clearly inspired by the work of Dieter Rams, the legendary Chief Design Officer at Braun. Oh... and I think they will sell truckloads of it. Among affluent Germans, this will become a must-have, the perfect complement to a Porsche, a BMW, a Mercedes Benz or an Audi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Of course it is. They're going the "luxury good" route to fill the nice boutiques.

    The cameras for photographers are the M and S.
    The crowd you refer to is more likely to just buying online, something like a Samsung NX300 (APS-C) which looks much the same as the T701 and also incorporates a touch-screen (which tilts) as well as all the other bells and whistles for a fraction of the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    The crowd you refer to is more likely to just buying online, something like a Samsung NX300 (APS-C) which looks much the same as the T701 and also incorporates a touch-screen (which tilts) as well as all the other bells and whistles for a fraction of the price.
    That's like saying that this crowd will buy a Hyundai or Kia instead of a BMW or Mercedes just because its got 4 wheels and an engine for the fraction of the price.

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    I think it's interesting. For me personally, no.. but I can see how many people could be tempted.

    For me the touch screen kills it, I don't want my camera to turn into a smartphone. Just seems weird fiddling with the screen like that on a camera.

    That said, if the price isn't too prohibitive it could sell quite well. Could even work as a backup/carry-along camera for someone shooting with the M, since they can share lenses.

    Let's wait and see

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    +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWW View Post
    That's like saying that this crowd will buy a Hyundai or Kia instead of a BMW or Mercedes just because its got 4 wheels and an engine for the fraction of the price.
    I'm not sure which crowd you're referring to. The vast majority of people that take photos to post on social media are more than happy with the quality that comes out of their smart phone.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    There's a great description of a GAS attack at this link. Will the picture of the new T surrounded by a zillion old M lenses have a similar effect? Jono, are you letting yours go back?

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

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    So, price aside... Will it be a big seller? Probably not, but I suspect it will be popular enough. And while the camera isn't for the likes of us, I dare say - it sure is neat. C'mon? Let's not think like photographers for a minute and put ourselves in the target demographic. Touchscreen? WiFi? iOS/Android control? Best of both worlds on lenses; prime and zoom - rather than being forced into a decision like the X cameras. "Only" 16.5MP? Again, for the target demographic - they want pictures to share on social media and to send to relatives. They don't know or care that it's APS-C either. It's better than most compacts that utilize tiny sensors. And it's got a ton of cool, colorful accessories. It matches your svelte MacBook and iPad (grin). Come to think it, they might just sell a buttload...
    HI Michael
    I think there is a dangerous tendency to divide demographics into 'photographers' who, of course, populate internet forums and read reviews, and 'others' who aren't 'real' photographers.

    Although I quite agree, it's aimed at those who are well heeled, and it'll sit nicely next to their Macbook pro, their iPad and on the seat of their BMW cabriolet . . . yes, doctors, architects, business people. . . . Maybe they don't all read photographic forums, but that doesn't mean that they don't know about photography, or that they only use the photos for social media.

    But if the image quality is good, and if it's the second non-M to really work well with M lenses (after the Ricoh), then I'd say it was going to sell . . . just not to us . . . except, except, I rather fancy one . . and so does Jorgen . . . and so does Godfrey !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    ...
    But if the image quality is good, and if it's the second non-M to really work well with M lenses (after the Ricoh), then I'd say it was going to sell . . . just not to us . . . except, except, I rather fancy one . . and so does Jorgen . . . and so does Godfrey !
    Love the style. I think it's very pretty and would love to have one on the basis of that. If it does work*as well with my M-mount lenses as the Ricoh GXR does, that might provide a motivation to actually buy one after I sell the Ricoh, the X2, and the M9.

    But at the moment I'm feeling no 'buy button anxiety' at all. I really am quite happy with the E-M1 and the A7. And the CL, the Hasselblads, and Polaroids. etc ad nauseam...

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    The European football club I support is out of the Champions league.

    The English football club I have supported since the
    60s is having a bad time.

    Maybe it is time for me join the Leica fanboys and get
    this latest super duper Leica machine.

    Something to boost my spirits and be guaranteed
    Superlative images.

    And to go with my car, of course.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    I haven't been interested in gear in a long time so I guess I'm do to be intrigued by what I've seen posted so far.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    - this will become a must-have, the perfect complement to a Porsche, a BMW, a Mercedes Benz or an Audi.
    And Teslas. : )
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    My job is to capture them.
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    So I need to get a Porsche again .... no bad idea
    Life is an ever changing journey
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Overall, I can appreciate the T's well-conceived design elements, and think Leica should be commended for efforts to rethink engineering and materials.

    Obviously, there remain a few issues regarding features, and so it will be interesting to read the hands-on reviews.

    * Image stabilization either in-body or in-lens? (apparently no)
    * Focus assist for manual-focus lenses, such as magnification and focus peaking? (assume yes)
    * Silent or near silent shutter? (not sure)
    * Flippable LCD? (apparently not)

    According to this post at Leica T (Type 701) - Mirrorless by Leica - Leica Forum Blog , it appears that prices in euros will be (sorry, not sure how to translate into US$ given VAT and market considerations):

    body: euro 1,500 (kit with 18-56 stated as euro 2,950)
    M adapter: euro 295
    Visoflex: euro 450

    Blog also states that future lenses available by Jan 2015 will be:

    - super vario elmar-T f/3,5–4,5, 11–23 mm ASPH (17–35 mm equiv)

    - apo vario elmar-T f/3.5–5.6 55–135 mm ASPH. (80–200 mm equiv)
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    As I mentioned in Jono's thread. I really hope the T lenses can work on M bodies through an adapter. Would love to have that small zoom

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    ...Although I quite agree, it's aimed at those who are well heeled, and it'll sit nicely next to their Macbook pro, their iPad and on the seat of their BMW cabriolet . . . yes, doctors, architects, business people. . . . Maybe they don't all read photographic forums, but that doesn't mean that they don't know about photography, or that they only use the photos for social media...
    Nearly right, Jono, but not quite: mine is a Saab cabriolet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    As I mentioned in Jono's thread. I really hope the T lenses can work on M bodies through an adapter. Would love to have that small zoom
    That won't happen, I'm afraid. They're all electronic interface, electro-mechanical aperture control and probably servo-focusing. The M-mount has no facilities to drive these things. The body also has a mount register about 9-10mm shallower than M-mount judging by the M-mount adapter, which makes it impossible to obtain infinity focus if T-mount is adapted to M-mount.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Here's a rundown of all the specs, parts of the system, pricing, etc. for easy reading:

    New Leica T Announced - Details!

    P.S. The Visoflex is 2.3M pixels. Sensor is from X, minus AA filter.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

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    Nearly right, Jono, but not quite: mine is a Saab cabriolet.
    HI There Robert
    I was trying to suck up to BMW users . . . we have two cabriolets . . .

    1 is a SAAB 900 turbo S from 1994 (one of the last two delivered in Europe)
    2 is my Audi S5


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    HI There Robert
    I was trying to suck up to BMW users . . . we have two cabriolets . . .

    1 is a SAAB 900 turbo S from 1994 (one of the last two delivered in Europe)
    2 is my Audi S5


    All the best
    And I was just gently winding you up...

    My Saab is a pedestrian 2004 9-3...and it's automatic (shameface).
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    I hope they use a similar design and machining process for the next M.
    Will we finally get a digital full frame M that is similar in size & weight to M2/M3's?

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    Ok, I`m the MBP, ipad, iphone, BMW convertible (manual) and M user. The T I`m not so sure about. Aperture, EV, iso, WB are the settings I change often, and preferably before the camera is even on (greetings from the Fuji XT1). With two control wheels only the T will require turning it on first to look at a screen (lcd or EVF) before menu diving and changing settings. I handled the T at a Leica boutique on Saturday, sleek, nice, feels good in the hand, excellent build, reasonably fast AF but slow in use for the reasons mentioned above (and why can`t one turn off that stupid preview). Not a streetshooter`s cam imho. One reviewer nailed it with something like: not the traditional shooters camera. A stick shift/clutch equipped BMW convertible, in contrast, is a joy to drive for the traditionalist
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

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    And I was just gently winding you up...

    My Saab is a pedestrian 2004 9-3...and it's automatic (shameface).
    Ah - actually, I really liked the 2004 9-3 (I had one for some years) - finally they got it sorted, just before going bust!

    . . . . . and my S5 is automatic too (in my defence, you can't get it without a DSG box)

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    The Leica T is a great looking piece of kit and desirable for quite a few I am sure of that. However for me, a camera is just a tool to do a job of work.

    As wildlife are my main subjects, Leica ceased to provide me with a tool since they dropped the R line and I disposed of my R9 and a bunch of expensive R lenses. Latest digital Leica's have failed to provide me with a fast enough AF, fast long focal length zoom lenses or any pretence at image stabilisation.

    Perhaps it is also why I drive a Mitsubishi 4x4!

    However, both Sony and Olympus can provide me with exactly what I need, at reasonable cost, so I no longer need to aspire to the latest Leica or even change my vehicle!

    Oh dear, I just have no ambition!
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    Well, Jono warned but I could still not resist - went to the Leica Store Vienna today and handled the T with both lenses and also tried the M adapter.

    I was hooked immediately! Cancelled the Fuji XT1 order same second and ordered a black Leica T with zoom, EVF and M adapter. Should arrive late June.

    I can only reiterate the warning from Jono, if you want to stay away then don't even touch one
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Well, Jono warned but I could still not resist - went to the Leica Store Vienna today and handled the T with both lenses and also tried the M adapter.

    I was hooked immediately! Cancelled the Fuji XT1 order same second and ordered a black Leica T with zoom, EVF and M adapter. Should arrive late June.

    I can only reiterate the warning from Jono, if you want to stay away then don't even touch one
    "We are so weak."

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