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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    The black version is not paint, it is anodized and as far as I understand is polished the same way as the silver version - of course hast to be to allow for the same feeling.

    The labor costs in Germany (similar to Austria) for a specialized worker like this are at least €100.- per hour including all taxes, insurance, etc. Well some have to pay for the social system .....

    And this still does not include machine usage etc.
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    I would personally prefer to see a ruggedized black finish with texture, something like on a F2 Titan.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    Since the black version will not be out for several months I'm curious if it is still polished aluminum with black paint cover (or perhaps anodized) or is the polishing not needed with a colored version? If the polishing is not needed would the price reflect this?
    Black anodized, like the M lenses. Polishing the raw body is the same for either version. Same price.

    EDIT: The silver version is also anodized, FYI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    I would personally prefer to see a ruggedized black finish with texture, something like on a F2 Titan.
    That would be a nice special edition... Oh Leica! ;-)

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    no, we can take all those hours of polishing by hand and then cover it up in a rubber colored jacket.

    honestly, i don't get that.

    i am sure luigi will come out with some sumptuous leather goodie for it.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    thinking more about this, I think it would be stroke of genius if Leica did a special edition of the T made from a solid block of brass, then painted it black. It would then "brass" over time just like classic Leica film bodies. Yummy, huh?

    I would even pay extra for that. Brass is about three times heavier, but that's okay. There are about 3.5 ounces of aluminum in the T, so it would be ten ounces of brass.
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    OMG

    You folks are nuts. LOL
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    I would personally prefer to see a ruggedized black finish with texture, something like on a F2 Titan.
    Well I've ordered the black skin so it will be interesting to check out the finish and feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Well I've ordered the black skin so it will be interesting to check out the finish and feel.

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    I'll have to get the Yellow ... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I'll have to get the Yellow ... :-)

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    Well if it is true confession time I ordered the orange as well. I guess it depends on if I'm trying vs not trying to be a real photographer that day.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Well if it is true confession time I ordered the orange as well. I guess it depends on if I'm trying vs not trying to be a real photographer that day.
    I'm kinda partial to orange too...
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    Real photographers shoot naked.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    I'm kinda partial to orange too...
    Orange is the new black

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Real photographers shoot naked.
    I just retired. LOL
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    I'm kinda partial to orange too...
    hmm hmm hmmm ....


    I see there are others with the bright colored sports car addiction/affliction. ;-)

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    Sports cars? Pppssshhh! They're speed bumps to me.




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    I'm sticking with orange accessories for my "Mustang"




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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    As we could see from the X1/2 and X-Vario same sensor supplier doesnt mean automaticaally same output.
    In case of the X-Models the IQ is (IMO) better than that what I did get from my X-Pro1 and better than what I could achieve from the Nex 5n and Nex7 and from m43 - in regards to overall look and color-at least for my taste.
    Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    hmm hmm hmmm ....


    I see there are others with the bright colored sports car addiction/affliction. ;-)

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    As another afflicted and addicted, I prefer my sports car to be in aluminium and hand polished for 45 minutes

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    that's "al - you - miny- um" right?
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    What beautiful things those Alfa Romeos are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    that's "al - you - miny- um" right?
    http://www.sportscarmarket.com/make-...a_romeo/giulia

    Scroll down to the GTA variants Brad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    that's "al - you - miny- um" right?
    Keep going like that and one day you American chaps are going to get the hang of this language.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    My hood (bonnet) is made from al-you-miny-um and my roof (roof?) is made from car-bon-fi-ber.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    C'mon Leica - make a limited T from Titanium!
    Now THIS I could get behind. I fear the price though!

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    since it is not die cast, but machined out of block, it could be made out of cheese, titanium bronze, wood, you name it

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    I'll take one with sandalwood
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Got a bit quiet over the past couple of days ..... but here's a new hands on video

    Leica T type 701 hands-on field test (video) | Leica News & Rumors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Got a bit quiet over the past couple of days ..... but here's a new hands on video

    Leica T type 701 hands-on field test (video) | Leica News & Rumors
    Just watched it and find it a nice and honest review.
    I still hope they will make also an X-style body for this system.
    IMO form had too high priority over function in this product. But maybe I will change my opinion as soon as I will have had the chance to handle a T.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Got a bit quiet over the past couple of days ..... but here's a new hands on video

    Leica T type 701 hands-on field test (video) | Leica News & Rumors
    Thanks! I noticed that the T madness had settled out a bit too.

    The review was pretty negative on a lot of things, although he did like using the camera a lot. The selection of pictures he showed ... um, er ... well, they were mostly boring crap but for one or two. Jono's photos are FAR better, and do a much better job of exciting people about the T.

    My jury's out at the moment on buying one. I won't know whether I am in the market or not until I handle one and try a couple of lenses on it.

    I do know one thing, though: I pulled out my X2 and did some shooting with it. It's going up for sale. Still makes beautiful photos, but I've gotten too used to the responsive shutter and controls of the E-M1 and A7 to deal with the X2's focusing speed (manual or automatic) and find its control dials fiddly and difficult to enjoy now, the E-M1 in particular. The E-M1 with 14mm or 17mm lenses fitted isn't that much bigger/heavier, is easier to hold, and is a totally different world of performance and capability.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    I just got frustrated with the endless menus every time I picked up my Olympus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Thanks! I noticed that the T madness had settled out a bit too.

    The review was pretty negative on a lot of things, although he did like using the camera a lot. The selection of pictures he showed ... um, er ... well, they were mostly boring crap but for one or two. Jono's photos are FAR better, and do a much better job of exciting people about the T.

    My jury's out at the moment on buying one. I won't know whether I am in the market or not until I handle one and try a couple of lenses on it.

    I do know one thing, though: I pulled out my X2 and did some shooting with it. It's going up for sale. Still makes beautiful photos, but I've gotten too used to the responsive shutter and controls of the E-M1 and A7 to deal with the X2's focusing speed (manual or automatic) and find its control dials fiddly and difficult to enjoy now, the E-M1 in particular. The E-M1 with 14mm or 17mm lenses fitted isn't that much bigger/heavier, is easier to hold, and is a totally different world of performance and capability.

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    I just feel the opposite..X2 is slow but I like that it is really a portable camera compared to many m43+lens options with a refreshing simple user interface. Only thing that bugs me is slow AF.

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    This review was just for nothing IMHO. Reviewing a camera and just being negative (at least most of the review sounded negative to me) is the wrong thing to do. Would have been better to do /say nothing.

    I liked the Leica T very much while I handled it. Just the right size and actually I find the separate EVF a very good thing in the end. Plus it is VERY sharp - so one easily can use it for MF without any loupe. And having only what your need at your fingertips is finally a very appealing concept for me!

    Yes it is pricier than comparable cameras, but I think it is worth it. Will it replace my D800e for serious work? Never! But also all the other mirror less cameras (EM1, XT1, A7xyz) cannot do this for me. So why not just have fun with an excellent camera for the rest of my photography life ....

    Really looking forward to get mine in some 6 weeks from now

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    This review was just for nothing IMHO. Reviewing a camera and just being negative (at least most of the review sounded negative to me) is the wrong thing to do. Would have been better to do /say nothing.

    I liked the Leica T very much while I handled it. Just the right size and actually I find the separate EVF a very good thing in the end. Plus it is VERY sharp - so one easily can use it for MF without any loupe. And having only what your need at your fingertips is finally a very appealing concept for me!

    Yes it is pricier than comparable cameras, but I think it is worth it. Will it replace my D800e for serious work? Never! But also all the other mirror less cameras (EM1, XT1, A7xyz) cannot do this for me. So why not just have fun with an excellent camera for the rest of my photography life ....

    Really looking forward to get mine in some 6 weeks from now
    I don't think it is fair to say nothing if the reviewer finds things about the camera that are either not working or are unappealing. That being said while there were things he didn't like about the camera he does say that he enjoyed using it and it didn't ring as negative with me as it obviously has with you.

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    Conflating two comments,

    I just got frustrated with the endless menus every time I picked up my Olympus.
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    I just feel the opposite..X2 is slow but I like that it is really a portable camera compared to many m43+lens options with a refreshing simple user interface. Only thing that bugs me is slow AF.
    Hmm. Since I figured out and set up my E-M1 the way I wanted it to work (sometime last November, three weeks after I acquired it), I've barely touched the menu button to do anything other than format a card. I seem to dive into the X2 menus more often than that.

    And of course, I'm not talking about using mFT cameras with a bunch of different lenses. Just one ... same FoV equivalent as the fixed-lens X2, 17mm.

    But let's not let this digress into an mFT/X2 debate. I like the X2 still, but I am not fond of its poor responsiveness.

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Many things that reviewer didn't like can be addressed in future firmware updates - that's one more thing that a mostly touch-screen camera can do.

    I still haven't placed an order for a T.
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    T madness

    I was also impressed with the ratio between the number of posts on this board and over at the LUF, to the number of T's in actual use (something between 2 reviewed for more than a month, 3-4 reviewed for about a week, and half a dozen handled in a store). But it got me thinking about the quality of pictures possible with an APS-C sensor without AA filter and a prime wide angle lens. And travel. Only a 35mm-eff lens is not quite wide enough for me.

    So I bought a GR (on EBay).

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    IMO, a review or critique should start with the 'things that are done well', and then continue to the 'things that could be improved'. If the reviewer has a bias, he/she should be aware of this and indicate it. What might be a snag to you might be a bonus for me.

    Thus, I found Olympus frustrating because of the buttons which I could easily accidentally press and change things without realising until later what I'd done. But I'm sure that there are lots of people who prefer controlling things using buttons.
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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I don't think it is fair to say nothing if the reviewer finds things about the camera that are either not working or are unappealing. That being said while there were things he didn't like about the camera he does say that he enjoyed using it and it didn't ring as negative with me as it obviously has with you.
    You are right, maybe "for nothing" was the wrong wording - should have said "pretty useless for me". Which I actually still find about this review. Especially since this guy usually does his reviews much better, less biased and I like how he does otherwise.

    Anyway this will not change my opinion about the Leica T

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    Conflating two comments,



    Hmm. Since I figured out and set up my E-M1 the way I wanted it to work (sometime last November, three weeks after I acquired it), I've barely touched the menu button to do anything other than format a card. I seem to dive into the X2 menus more often than that.

    And of course, I'm not talking about using mFT cameras with a bunch of different lenses. Just one ... same FoV equivalent as the fixed-lens X2, 17mm.

    But let's not let this digress into an mFT/X2 debate. I like the X2 still, but I am not fond of its poor responsiveness.

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    I probably have not spend enough time setting up my EM1. And then I have a bad memory...I don't remember what did I set up which button for. So I like if its written on the camera which button is responsible for which function.
    Specially since I use various systems.
    In this regard the T-system could eventually be easier for me to use.
    Anyways. I will not make a decision before having handled it myself. My main problem is that I do like optical viewfinders so much.

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    The labor costs in Germany (similar to Austria) for a specialized worker like this are at least €100.- per hour including all taxes, insurance, etc.
    The bodies are polished in Portugal. Besides, even with social security taxes, cost of living, etc., I really doubt that Leica needs to pay a wage equivalent to €100 per hour to get people to polish a piece of metal with some emery paper. It's basic manual labour and will pay accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattsy View Post
    The bodies are polished in Portugal. Besides, even with social security taxes, cost of living, etc., I really doubt that Leica needs to pay a wage equivalent to €100 per hour to get people to polish a piece of metal with some emery paper. It's basic manual labour and will pay accordingly.
    Who says that the body is polished in Portugal? And even then the costs are not really cheaper than Germany, especially not in Portugal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Got a bit quiet over the past couple of days ..... but here's a new hands on video

    Leica T type 701 hands-on field test (video) | Leica News & Rumors
    I like his suggestion of a Metabones speed booster for R lenses

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    Re: Leica's new APS-C Interchangeable lens camera

    Quote Originally Posted by wattsy View Post
    The bodies are polished in Portugal. Besides, even with social security taxes, cost of living, etc., I really doubt that Leica needs to pay a wage equivalent to €100 per hour to get people to polish a piece of metal with some emery paper. It's basic manual labour and will pay accordingly.
    Portuguese polishing? Hmmm... I kind of expected this important work to be performed by a German Doktor-Ingenieur, one who has studied camera polishing for at least a couple of decades at a respected Technische Hochschule. How will this severe and rather shocking blunder affect image quality, I wonder...

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