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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

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    Bart,

    Are you biting?
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    That they would do a P version of the M240 is not surprising. What is surprising is the resurrection of the frame lever.
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    That they would do a P version of the M240 is not surprising. What is surprising is the resurrection of the frame lever.
    They threw it in for an extra $1k.

    I'm glad I just picked up a silver MM; the future 240 based MM coming in at $10k is a bit to much in my mind.. Or it had better use a newer sensor like the 645Z or IQ250 w/o the bayer array.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Pppssshhh... Broke the news this morning.
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

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    Pppssshhh... Broke the news this morning.
    Anyway, you're too late here, Micheal ...

    Kind regards.
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    It is so SEXY! Cant' justify to sell my M and get it though. Electric tape is good enough for me

    also. I never found the M's buffer to be lacking. I don't think many Leica shooters are super fast shooters

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    There's clearly something wrong here. According to Leica's own website, it's the Leica MP, not the M-P, that is "The ultimate tool". It's cheaper too. And how can this newish camera work at all, when it doesn't even include a film advance lever :



    You want buffer? The MP has one that will room 36 RAW frames.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

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    You want buffer? The MP has one that will room 36 RAW frames.

    How long does it take to clear the buffer

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

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    Harder yes. On the wallet.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    I just wonder if the larger buffer will reduce lockup problems. If so, I'm in.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    If it were only the size and weight of the M6 ...

    (Some don't care, but I do ...)
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    But did you guys hear about the new Leica M-S camera?
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    A joke, I assume? Hmmm...
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    Someone around here must surely have been testing this under a NDA.Let's wait for some performance reviews.

    Later I shall wait for the ' fun with the M-P ' thread to start.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    But did you guys hear about the new Leica M-S camera?
    If the price is out of your comfort range buy a Sony....

    I always opt for the Sapphire back as I hate screen protectors...

    This seems... the MP ... to be a real upgrade for those who want a robust camera
    that is not one of the tony limited edition cameras.

    Hard to see a reason to complain about this model...fairly modest specs...no Hermes Ralph Gibson King Bhumibol Adulydej limited edition excess...

    JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    Someone around here must surely have been testing this under a NDA.Let's wait for some performance reviews.

    Later I shall wait for the ' fun with the M-P ' thread to start.
    Testing the scratch proof screen or the skinny white girl's attraction to the new new thing?

    Should we waste all this bandwidth discussing Leica's sales approach which seems to be modeled on the General Motors paradigm of the 70's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by doug View Post
    How long does it take to clear the buffer
    True, true.. heard it's sometimes less than a minute. But on the other hand you can change the "sensor" at will.

    The biggest gripes are the modest high iso settings and awkward whitebalance settings. That's why some opt to use it as bw camera only. Making it a Leica MP-MM actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Hard to see a reason to complain about this model...fairly modest specs...no Hermes Ralph Gibson King Bhumibol Adulydej limited edition excess...
    Unfortunately Leica has become a brand offering such exclusive models and making business from them to a meanwhile high degree - too much for my feeling. While there is nothing bad with it, for the ones who are (consider to be) still serious photographers this is more of a disgusting approach. It should be kept in relation to serious high end photography business where Leica wants to land with their cameras IMHO.

    Having said that - this new Leica MP looks very attractive to me, if it really offers some speed increase amongst other improvements.

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    Unfortunately Leica has become a brand offering such exclusive models and making business from them to a meanwhile high degree - too much for my feeling. While there is nothing bad with it, for the ones who are (consider to be) still serious photographers this is more of a disgusting approach. It should be kept in relation to serious high end photography business where Leica wants to land with their cameras IMHO.

    Having said that - this new Leica MP looks very attractive to me, if it really offers some speed increase amongst other improvements.

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    I'm not certain that's where Leica wants to position the brand in the market.

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    I'm not certain that's where Leica wants to position the brand in the market.
    Well, if this is not the case then the whole story/strategy behind gets even more questionable. Especially taking into account all their advertisement with historical famous photographers, where a number of them have been Pro's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Well, if this is not the case then the whole story/strategy behind gets even more questionable. Especially taking into account all their advertisement with historical famous photographers, where a number of them have been Pro's.
    I think they're appealing to the bling market and riding on the coattails of historical famous photographers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug View Post
    I think they're appealing to the bling market and riding on the coattails of historical famous photographers.

    I would love to buy a Leica camera that is actually technically sound (including its electronics up to snuff) and let's me use my M and R lenses equally well.

    Unfortunately, the M-P ain't it.
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    I think they're appealing to the bling market and riding on the coattails of historical famous photographers.
    Certainly the T, the new M-P 'skin' and many of the M special editions support that but I'd like to think (hopefully not totally naively) that the core M and S system products are designed with engineering excellence and "high end photography" in mind. Without a connection to that excellence the brand will surely wither, no matter who the products are aimed at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattsy View Post
    Certainly the T, the new M-P 'skin' and many of the M special editions support that but I'd like to think (hopefully not totally naively) that the core M and S system products are designed with engineering excellence and "high end photography" in mind. Without a connection to that excellence the brand will surely wither, no matter who the products are aimed at?
    Yes I agree completely. The S system and the core of the M system are the 'photographer's cameras'. The rest of the product line, while fine cameras in their own right, appear to be marketed to and priced for those for whom status and connection with the past masters is paramount.
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    With best regards, K-H.

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    To be honest, it reads like it was written by Leica themselves...
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    It was... Red Dot Forum is the Leica Forum of Dale Photography and David Farkas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apocolibri View Post
    It was... Red Dot Forum is the Leica Forum of Dale Photography and David Farkas.
    Josh Lehrer is the author.
    He works at the Leica store.
    Of course he has a vested interest.
    I take that into account.
    So should everybody else reading this.
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    It says "Preview" not "Review".

    It is just an informational piece from a retail Leica store. To be a Leica store, you have to maintain some sort of web presence including some form of a blog … at least that was the original requirement when Leica set up the whole Leica store/boutique concept.

    Josh and David do a good job informing their clients of news items and both are keen on photography themselves … keeping in mind that not everyone cruises photo sites on a daily basis.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    Someone around here must surely have been testing this under a NDA.Let's wait for some performance reviews.

    Later I shall wait for the ' fun with the M-P ' thread to start.
    Not I Ray
    The same processor, the same sensor, the same firmware - no need to test.

    Hopefully the extra memory is also faster memory, in which case Lou you might find it worthwhile.

    I found the sapphire glass update of the M9p well worthwhile, but the normal M already has good glass (haven't scratched mine yet).

    To be honest, I haven't seen one, and although it looks fine, I certainly won't be buying one (my two weatherbeaten Ms are quite enough).

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    Unfortunately Leica has become a brand offering such exclusive models and making business from them to a meanwhile high degree - too much for my feeling.
    Hi There Peter
    They haven't become such a brand they have always made special editions - it doesn't detract from the core product and it's essential for a small company who can't match the 6 monthly releases from their Japanese competitors.

    I find it weird that people get so aerated about this (you say you think it's disgusting).

    1. You aren't forced to buy them
    2. if they sell more special edition cameras then they can invest in a better camera next time around.

    I'm not buying one (although I do like the black dials on the back). But I hope lots of other people do.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by jaapv View Post
    To be honest, it reads like it was written by Leica themselves...
    . . .and, in effect, so it was - Josh is a great guy, and he's done a great job - I enjoyed reading it, seems like it's informational. I also think it's fair - in that he has tested and pointed out that the buffer clears at the same rate as the M - thus clearing up speculation that it might be faster (it's not).

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    I do not have a problem with that. Rather the opposite.
    It is just that the term Review is somewhat confusing when it starts doing the rounds on the internet.
    Maybe Advertorial is more descriptive. Or a milder Infotorial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaapv View Post
    I do not have a problem with that. Rather the opposite.
    It is just that the term Review is somewhat confusing when it starts doing the rounds on the internet.
    Maybe Advertorial is more descriptive. Or a milder Infotorial.
    Is infotorial a word? If it is, should it be?

    whatever, I quite agree - I like Josh, and I like his piece, (and I think it's honest) but it's certainly not a 'Review'

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    "Advertorial" should never have been a word either. Advertising and Editorial smushed together is an oxymoron at best.

    People that get confused by pieces floating around the web, without considering the source, are not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer are they?

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

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    Hi There Peter
    They haven't become such a brand they have always made special editions - it doesn't detract from the core product and it's essential for a small company who can't match the 6 monthly releases from their Japanese competitors.

    I find it weird that people get so aerated about this (you say you think it's disgusting).

    1. You aren't forced to buy them
    2. if they sell more special edition cameras then they can invest in a better camera next time around.

    I'm not buying one (although I do like the black dials on the back). But I hope lots of other people do.
    That is a good summation Jono. Who cares if Leica makes a quick couple of million selling some custom M variant to those with the means to pay the price?

    Leica are smart cookies IMO. They cash in on their Cache so to speak

    Leica has been quite straight up with their positioning as of late. They are after the top 1% and instituted exclusive retail Store environments and Boutique experiences to cater to that crowd. Folks like that tend to like heritage and history behind the brands they choose …thus the harkening back to a storied past.

    This doesn't exclude a serious photographer who "gets" the whole rangefinder gestalt and puts it to good use …professionally or not. At $8K for a camera and upwards of $20K for a decent system, the photographer is already in the 1%, or close to it … or they are making a serious financial commitment by acting like they are in the top 1% when it comes to their photography.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

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    "Advertorial" should never have been a word either. Advertising and Editorial smushed together is an oxymoron at best.

    People that get confused by pieces floating around the web, without considering the source, are not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer are they?

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Finally, the perfect M!

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Willie Loman?

    Gee, I thought it was Willie Sutton. Sutton's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    Willie Loman?

    Gee, I thought it was Willie Sutton. Sutton's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    you are right! I was mixing up characters. No more postings until at least two cups of coffee.

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    Finally, the perfect M!

    Well no, it does not allow the good EVFs availiable now.
    I did not buy the M waiting for this much needed improvement but now thinks i should not expect it this year after this introduction.

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    Andreas Kaufmann tipped us off about some limited edition possibilities...

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Finally, the perfect M!



    One Day Jack, One Day. At least it's kind of perfectible, In that there are obvious things which must be adhered to (rangefinder etc.). Much more difficult and nebulous to perfect a dSLR.

    To be honest, give it a faster processer (much), a better EVF (much) and make it the size of an M6 classic and I'd be hard pushed to want more. Would that be the perfect M?

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    I say install the EVF of the X-T1/X-E2/X30...

    What, whaaaat?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    I say install the EVF of the X-T1/X-E2/X30...

    What, whaaaat?!

    Well, why that one? it's not nearly as good as the one in the E-M1. . . but I understand that A7 - E-M1 - Leica T - Fuji X-T1 all use the same panel.

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    Not the LCD, the EVF. The Fuji unit is superb.

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Not the LCD, the EVF. The Fuji unit is superb.
    I was talking about the EVF
    IMHO It's not as good as the E-M1 - it's too saturated and has too much contrast - the E-M1 is much better at fine detail and subtle lighting variations. . . . . and as far as I know those cameras all use the same panel for their EVF (which I believe is made by Epson) . . . the Sony is too contrasty . . . the Leica T isn't contrasty enough . . . The Fuji is nice and quick, but it's both too contrasty and too saturated . . . the Olympus got it just about right . . and yes, I've used them all

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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post

    To be honest, give it a faster processer (much), a better EVF (much) and make it the size of an M6 classic and I'd be hard pushed to want more. Would that be the perfect M?
    If and when they go with that faster processer then for pity's sake, Jono, please beg them to also go with moveable focus points
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    Re: The New LEICA M-P: Discreet, Faster, Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I was talking about the EVF
    IMHO It's not as good as the E-M1 - it's too saturated and has too much contrast - the E-M1 is much better at fine detail and subtle lighting variations. . . . . and as far as I know those cameras all use the same panel for their EVF (which I believe is made by Epson) . . . the Sony is too contrasty . . . the Leica T isn't contrasty enough . . . The Fuji is nice and quick, but it's both too contrasty and too saturated . . . the Olympus got it just about right . . and yes, I've used them all
    I have heard that as the EVF view is based on the JPG you can go negative on contrast and color and improve both....

    But I assume that means you need to do JPG and RAW to have a file to work with that will match your view of the scene.


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