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    which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    I have the Voigtländer Color-Skopar 28mm f/3.5 lens, which I really love for film M-mount cameras but has some imaging issues on the M9 and A7, and the Ultron 28mm f/2, which only does "okay" on either film or digital cameras.

    As a thought experiment, if one were to want a Leica 24 or 28 mm lens to replace the Ultron for use on the M9 or M(Type 240), which one would you go for of the following and why:

    Summilux-M 24mm f/1.4
    Elmarit-M 24mm f/2.8
    Super Elmar-M 24mm f/3.8
    Summicron-M 28mm f/2
    Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8

    I don't know that I really want to buy another M lens at the moment, but if I'm going to keep the M9, I'd like a 24-28 mm lens that performed with fewer problems.

    Thanks!

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    The 28/Cron is my favorite lens this side of tech cameras. It's balance of sharpness and character is in my experience unequaled. (OK, maybe the 50/Lux preASPH, but I don't shoot 50 that often). If only I could see the frame lines! In fairness, I have not shot with the other 28s on your list. I didn't even keep the Leica 24 - the only M lens I've sold, as I don't use that FoV that much. If I want to go wider than 28, I end up with a Zeiss 21.

    Example of 28/Cron, M9, Silver FX:


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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    24 Elmar is excellent across the frame and by f/5.6 pretty much the whole frame beyond 5 ft or so is in focus (if memory serves correctly. The 24 Elmarit is great as well and probably is the best balance between size, speed, and sharpness where performance is of concern in a Leica WA.
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    I have used them all but the lux. 24mm and 28mm are very different in perspective but if I need to choose one, it will be the Super Elmar. If you can live with its slow aperture, the sharpness and character is unsurpassed.
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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Thanks for the notes so far. :-)

    I owned the Elmarit-M 24mm f/2.8 ASPH once upon a time. It was a lovely lens, like with any Leica lens I probably should regret having sold it but, eh?, "equipment is transitory" and all that stuff.

    To my eye, there's not so much difference between 24 and 28 FoV and perspective—a 24 is about 9 more degrees on the diagonal, which isn't nothing but it's not huge. I tend to shoot 'loose' with a rangefinder camera to allow for cropping, etc, anyway.

    The speed of the Super Elmar 24 is not a problem (I don't feel f/3.8 is particularly slow coming from cameras with f/4 and f/8 lenses), but one benefit of the Elmarit-M 28/2.8 is its compactness.

    More comments graciously appreciated. I'm particularly interested in the lens performance for the M9 (and M (type 240)) between those in the list.

    thanks again!

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Hi Godfrey, I have the Elmar-M ASPH 24 and I think Leica hit the proverbial home run with the design. It's quite sharp as it should be but I was also surprised how close I could get with it. You can shoot into the sun and be rewarded with very nice starburst effect at small apertures. I've attached an example which was shot @f16.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Hi Godfrey.

    Ihe widest I have. Used is the corn 28 asph..a lens I love. It is sharp without being clinically sharp.

    I did find that it vignettes slightly depending on the dr of the scene. A lens that I have paired with the lux 50 on a lot of my trips.

    The original hood is a joke.

    The diminutive 28/2.8 asph is believed to be stellar at a stop less.

    I personally would go for a 28 and next down a 21. Skip the 24.

    But I am not you..

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    I own the 28 Summicron and have owned the 28 F2.8 ASPH and the 24 F2.8 ASPH in (what seems the distant) past. If I was buying again I'd probably buy the 24 F3.8 because I think it is likely a better match to the 35 Summilux "FLE" that I use most of the time. I'm less enamoured by the Summicron than most seem to be – I think it is a better lens for film use than for full frame digital sensors (quite heavy natural vignetting when used with the M9) – and I don't remember being wowed by the 28 Elmarit when I owned it for a short period when I had an M8 (though the small size is nice). Interestingly, I remember the 24 Elmarit as being superlative and wished I hadn't sold mine (during my film days). I considered buying another recently but when I tested it on my Monochrom I was a little bit ambivalent about how it "rendered" (hate that expression) and passed. Again, I suspect a lens that might be optimal on a film M. All said, I think I'll muddle on with my 28 Summicron.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    +1 for 28 Summicron.
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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    I really like the 28mm Summicron.

    Sharp and excellent contrast and color.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    You may want to consider the Zeiss ZM 25/2.8 Biogon. It's actual focal length is about 26.5mm. It's an excellent lens, particularly on M9. If you are thinking about upgrading into an M240, then Leica Elmar-M 24/3,8 may be a better choice. I sold my Leica Elmarit-M 24/2,8 after I got my Biogan and Elamr-M.

    Those are taken with M240 with Elmar-M 24/3,8.
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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Summicron-M 28mm f/2 ASPH! I loooove this lens. Sharp, great rendering, lovely bokeh.

    The Biogon 2,8/25 ZM is a fantastic lens also. It was pretty much glued to my M8.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    If this will be your widest lens then I would go for 24mm and probably the f3.8 version.

    Personally I use a lot of 35mm and if I want wider I go most often directly to the 21/3.4 which I love. I even sold my 24/1.4 some months ago becaue I used it too seldom.

    I also like the 28 Summicron but I just don't use this focal length often.
    28 mm has the big advantage compared to 24mm that you don't need external viewfinder.

    For me now 21/35/50 and sometimes 75.
    My 28,90 and 135mm M lenses are not used very often, and the 24mm is sold.

    But its really a question of taste.

    For people images I think 28mm is much more forgiving in regards of perspective than 24mm and more flexible.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    The 24mm Lux is one of my most used lenses. The ability to actually throw backgrounds far out of focus with a very wide makes this lens unique. Bokeh is lovely. My travel kit is the 24 lux, 50 cron asp and 75 chron.
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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    woody: do you mount an external viewfinder with the 24?

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Godfrey,

    I've used the Summilux-M 24mm f/1.4, Elmarit-M 24mm f/2.8, Super Elmar-M 24mm f/3.8, and Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8.

    I LOVED the 24 Summilux-M... what an amazing lens. In a perfect world I'd have kept it. A draw back for me was the Series VII filters and not being able to stack filters. The bulk never bothered me. Used it on an M9 and Monchrom... it was beautiful on the Monochrom. It worked fine on the M9, definitely want to use an 3-stop ND filter!

    I liked the 24 Elmar-M for it's size but felt limited with f3,4 aperture. Used on an M9 & Monochrom, no issues on either.

    I really liked the 24 Elmarit f/2,8 and have always regretted letting it go. Out of the three 24's this is the one I will get again. It had an awesome 3D quality. I used this only on an M9 and found it very lovely!

    I used a 28 Elmarit-M on an M8 and for a little while on an M9. Very nice lens, small and focused pretty well. Personally I see the choice in getting a 28 to be between 35 and 28 and not between 24 and 28. I've always looked at 24 being a choice between it and 21 or 18. I went with 24 because I felt I could get by without an external viewfinder without issue, which I did.

    I recently sold my 35 Summilux and plan to pick up a 28 Summicron. People seem to really love this lens!

    When I shot with a Nikon D700 my two most used lenses were a 24 and 28... I find 21 just a little too wide, and found there to be enough of a difference between 24 & 28.

    Good luck with your decision!

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    ~ 28 Elmarit-M

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    I could have sold you my 28 cron 3 weeks ago! I needed the money to buy the Cooke PS945 :-/

    Anyway, if you have the money, the 28 cron will be the BEST THING EVER. Barring that, I would actually go for a 2.8 ZM on either focal length (hmm,,, does Zeiss have a 28/2.8?). The ZM shoots like a Leica, except bluer, at 1/3 the prices.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    I have been wrestling whether to travel with the 24mm Elmarit or the 28mm Summicron, on the Type 240. In my test shots, the 24 has more character but an uncomfortable amount of distortion. If it had less distortion I'd choose it over the 28.
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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    The main reason I parted with the 24 Elmarit-M was that my next focal-length up at the time was a 50, which was too big a jump for me. I needed something in-between. If having to choose between 24 and 28, the 28 is better walking around lens, similar to a 35, but with just a little bit extra width, just enough, for out and about.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    I'd eliminate the 28 Elmarit Asph as being too contrasty for sunny-day exposure range. I sold it for 28 Cron, and have also been using 28 focal length of MATE for landscapes. I find myself stitching multiple files for landscapes, and for that reason have been thinking about 25 Zeiss. People speak well of them, and the price difference makes it seem worth giving it a try.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    A very interesting set of likes and preferences, thank you very much.

    It looks like the Super Elmar 24 and the Summicron 28 are the two that I'll choose between, if and when I decide I want to go for it. I notice that new Elmar 24 and used Summicron 28 run close in price, around $3K.

    I'm finding that I tend to use the M9 mostly with the Nokton 50 and with the Ultron 28, and the Ultron 28 isn't really on par with the Nokton 50. So if I'm going to keep the camera, I'd like to get a good Leica lens for it.

    Thank you all for your thoughts once more!

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    A very interesting set of likes and preferences, thank you very much.

    It looks like the Super Elmar 24 and the Summicron 28 are the two that I'll choose between, if and when I decide I want to go for it. I notice that new Elmar 24 and used Summicron 28 run close in price, around $3K.

    I'm finding that I tend to use the M9 mostly with the Nokton 50 and with the Ultron 28, and the Ultron 28 isn't really on par with the Nokton 50. So if I'm going to keep the camera, I'd like to get a good Leica lens for it.

    Thank you all for your thoughts once more!

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    Take the 28 Summicron. Its 2 stops faster, you can use the internal viewfinder.

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    The 28mm Summicron is one of Leica's best lenses, in much the same way that people look on the current 50mm Summilux, it has such a nice character and doesn't do much that is wrong. Like you Godfrey I also have the excellent 28mm CV Skopar, and I don't find a massive gap between the two with my MM or M240, so perhaps try experimenting with the coding of your Skopar? Mine is coded as a 28mm Elamrit.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by 250swb View Post
    The 28mm Summicron is one of Leica's best lenses, in much the same way that people look on the current 50mm Summilux, it has such a nice character and doesn't do much that is wrong. Like you Godfrey I also have the excellent 28mm CV Skopar, and I don't find a massive gap between the two with my MM or M240, so perhaps try experimenting with the coding of your Skopar? Mine is coded as a 28mm Elmarit.
    Thanks! I'll do some more experimenting with the Color-Skopar 28 for sure. I can't remember what I had it coded as.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    I also coded Color-Skopar 28 as Elmarit 28 ASPH and it works well on M9. But Summicron 28 is just so special on M9, as many mentioned. The price for the Elmar 24/3,8 has come down for the past few years. You can find good copies of the lens between $2200 - $2400, definitely cheaper than the Summicron 28/2,0.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean View Post
    I also coded Color-Skopar 28 as Elmarit 28 ASPH and it works well on M9. But Summicron 28 is just so special on M9, as many mentioned. The price for the Elmar 24/3,8 has come down for the past few years. You can find good copies of the lens between $2200 - $2400, definitely cheaper than the Summicron 28/2,0.
    I see three M9 codings for Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8: 11804, 11809, and 11606. One listing I have says to code the Color-Skopar 28/3.8 as 11804. Another suggests 11604 (which is listed as for the "Summicron-M 28/2 ASPH"). The Elmarit-M 28/2.8 ASPH coding is 11606 and I see that the Zeiss Biogon 28/2.8 ZM and Konica M-Hexanon 28/2.8 are both recommended to use with that setting.

    Which one do you and Steve use?

    thx,
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    While we're on the subject of M9 lens codes, I code for lenses manually from a cheat sheet and create setups in the User Settings, four lenses at a time depending on what I feel like using.

    This is what I have on my cheat sheet currently:

    Skopar 21/4: 11135
    Ultron 28/2: 11604
    Skopar 28/3.5: 11804 by kit, 11604 by listing, 11606 ?
    Skopar 35mm f/2.5: 11310-11
    Nokton 40mm f1.4: 11874-11883 (Summilux m 35mm f1.4 ASPH
    M-Rokkor 40/2 II: 11310
    Nokton 50mm f/1.5 ASPH LTM: 11891-11892
    Skopar 50mm f/2.5: 11831-24-23
    M-Rokkor 90mm f/4: 11633-34
    Hektor-M 135mm f/4.5: ?

    Anyone care to offer their settings if they differ?

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I see three M9 codings for Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8: 11804, 11809, and 11606. One listing I have says to code the Color-Skopar 28/3.8 as 11804. Another suggests 11604 (which is listed as for the "Summicron-M 28/2 ASPH"). The Elmarit-M 28/2.8 ASPH coding is 11606 and I see that the Zeiss Biogon 28/2.8 ZM and Konica M-Hexanon 28/2.8 are both recommended to use with that setting.

    Which one do you and Steve use?

    thx,
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    ---
    While we're on the subject of M9 lens codes, I code for lenses manually from a cheat sheet and create setups in the User Settings, four lenses at a time depending on what I feel like using.

    This is what I have on my cheat sheet currently:

    Skopar 21/4: 11135
    Ultron 28/2: 11604
    Skopar 28/3.5: 11804 by kit, 11604 by listing, 11606 ?
    Skopar 35mm f/2.5: 11310-11
    Nokton 40mm f1.4: 11874-11883 (Summilux m 35mm f1.4 ASPH
    M-Rokkor 40/2 II: 11310
    Nokton 50mm f/1.5 ASPH LTM: 11891-11892
    Skopar 50mm f/2.5: 11831-24-23
    M-Rokkor 90mm f/4: 11633-34
    Hektor-M 135mm f/4.5: ?

    Anyone care to offer their settings if they differ?
    Hi Godfrey

    I have a chart and I will note the reading if different after yours separated by a hyphen

    Skopar 21/4: 11135 ---11134
    Ultron 28/2: 11604 -- Same
    Skopar 28/3.5: 11804 by kit, 11604 by listing, 11606 ? -- Same 11804
    Skopar 35mm f/2.5: 11310-11 - Same
    Nokton 40mm f1.4: 11874-11883 (Summilux m 35mm f1.4 ASPH) --Same
    M-Rokkor 40/2 II: 11310 --
    Nokton 50mm f/1.5 ASPH LTM: 11891-11892 --Same
    Skopar 50mm f/2.5: 11831-24-23 --Same
    M-Rokkor 90mm f/4: 11633-34 --
    Hektor-M 135mm f/4.5:

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Godfrey, you may notice a common thread to this thread…..all the 24's a great.

    The 24 Elmarit ASPH, is a very special lens, I have one and loved it on my M8 for the past 6 years, now that I have a M240, I have often wondered about the other options that you are considering, and I have to say for what you pay for a used 24 Elmarit, they are extremely good value while still being outstanding optically. You may notice that many have expressed the opinion that they regret selling their Elmarit's…..they are still SOTA.

    BTW, you might also want to consider a Ver. 4 28 Elmarit, it is every bit a good as a 28 Cron ASPH (the same size physically as well), again at a much more attractive price.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Seascape View Post
    Godfrey, you may notice a common thread to this thread…..all the 24's a great.
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    Yes, I do miss my 24 ASPH too. No regrets though, I sold it and the other M gear in 2002 to fund a Hasselblad 903SWC—that was worth it to me.

    This query remains a bit of a thought experiment to me for the present. I really have no particular need or desire to spend the money for another M-bayonet lens at the moment. I'm deciding whether to keep the M9 body, or even upgrade to the M(240), and the notion is that if I do either of those I'll want to replace the Ultron 28 with a Leica lens at some point, either 24 or 28. As Jono said elsewhere, selling a Leica M is often a one-way trip due to the cost of re-admission so I'm taking my time to ask questions and think about it.

    I've just fitted the Color-Skopar 28/3.5 to the M9 and set the lens code to 11606 for testing. It's nice and compact this way ... Slips into my usual junk day bag (a Lowepro Teraclime 100 with ACAM 1100 insert in it) alongside the M4-2 fitted with Color-Skopar 50/2.5 and Color-Skopar 35/2.5 in a pouch. Quite a dense little Leica kit to carry this week. ;-)

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Another vote here for the 24 Elmar ASPH. Incredibly sharp, nice contrast and tonality on the Monochrom and oh so small and light. I borrowed one at a Leica Akademie class and liked it so much I bought a new one soon after.
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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I see three M9 codings for Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8: 11804, 11809, and 11606. One listing I have says to code the Color-Skopar 28/3.8 as 11804. Another suggests 11604 (which is listed as for the "Summicron-M 28/2 ASPH"). The Elmarit-M 28/2.8 ASPH coding is 11606 and I see that the Zeiss Biogon 28/2.8 ZM and Konica M-Hexanon 28/2.8 are both recommended to use with that setting.

    Which one do you and Steve use?

    thx,
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    ---
    While we're on the subject of M9 lens codes, I code for lenses manually from a cheat sheet and create setups in the User Settings, four lenses at a time depending on what I feel like using.

    This is what I have on my cheat sheet currently:

    Skopar 21/4: 11135
    Ultron 28/2: 11604
    Skopar 28/3.5: 11804 by kit, 11604 by listing, 11606 ?
    Skopar 35mm f/2.5: 11310-11
    Nokton 40mm f1.4: 11874-11883 (Summilux m 35mm f1.4 ASPH
    M-Rokkor 40/2 II: 11310
    Nokton 50mm f/1.5 ASPH LTM: 11891-11892
    Skopar 50mm f/2.5: 11831-24-23
    M-Rokkor 90mm f/4: 11633-34
    Hektor-M 135mm f/4.5: ?

    Anyone care to offer their settings if they differ?
    I use a coded LTM to M adapter that has coding slots that I coded as the Elmarit-M 28/2.8 ASPH (11606). It worked well on by my M8 (no longer own) and M9. I have not use the lens on M240 yet.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean View Post
    I use a coded LTM to M adapter that has coding slots that I coded as the Elmarit-M 28/2.8 ASPH (11606). It worked well on by my M8 (no longer own) and M9. I have not use the lens on M240 yet.
    Thanks. That's what I've input for it. If I ever get any time to actually snap the shutter, I'll see what it looks like. Previously, I'd used 11604 and 11804 and there's a good bit of color shifting with them on the M9.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    The 24 Elmar is amazing. I had a ZM 25 and thought it was great but tried the Elmar and sold the 25 ZM.

    I got out of Leica digital and am going back to B&W film and returning to vintage glass. It's just better for my kind of shooting and I miss film. I'm an old B&W M shooter since 68.

    If you're looking for a mint Elmar I consigned it to Popflash and you can save some money and have 30 days to return it if you don't like it.

    I think the 24 Elmar is a perfect match for the 35 summilux FLE, 50 asph summilux and 90 apo summicron. I had or have all three and they are superb as a set. The Elmar is also very small.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by DDudenbostel View Post
    The 24 Elmar is amazing. I had a ZM 25 and thought it was great but tried the Elmar and sold the 25 ZM.

    I got out of Leica digital and am going back to B&W film and returning to vintage glass. It's just better for my kind of shooting and I miss film. I'm an old B&W M shooter since 68.

    If you're looking for a mint Elmar I consigned it to Popflash and you can save some money and have 30 days to return it if you don't like it.
    Thanks, that's a tempting price too. I'll have to think on it ... This Elmar-M 24 vs Summicron-M 28 game is amuzing. Both seem to be superb lenses, a wonderful thing really.

    Off to the side ... has anyone used the Elmar-M 24 on a Sony A7/r/s. If so, how did it fare?

    Regards the film vs digital, just go with what makes you happy. I'm not selling my M4-2, and I'm sure that either of these lenses will do a lovely job on film too. I also have been shooting with Leicas (next to Nikons and other cameras) since the late 1960s (IIc and IIf for a while there, then an M2 for a bit..., etc).

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    I tried a couple of 28 summicrons and found the 24 Elmar sharper wide open particularly at the edges and corners wide open and better contrast. Both are very good but the 24 excelled. It was very close to my 35 summilux FLE.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by DDudenbostel View Post
    I tried a couple of 28 summicrons and found the 24 Elmar sharper wide open particularly at the edges and corners wide open and better contrast. Both are very good but the 24 excelled. It was very close to my 35 summilux FLE.
    So, if I may ask, why have you decided to sell it?

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

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    Take the 28 Summicron. Its 2 stops faster, you can use the internal viewfinder.
    THIS.

    The 28 Cron pairs very well with the 50 Lux (in terms of looks, IQ, etc.) but wider.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Thanks, that's a tempting price too. I'll have to think on it ... This Elmar-M 24 vs Summicron-M 28 game is amuzing. Both seem to be superb lenses, a wonderful thing really.

    Off to the side ... has anyone used the Elmar-M 24 on a Sony A7/r/s. If so, how did it fare?

    Regards the film vs digital, just go with what makes you happy. I'm not selling my M4-2, and I'm sure that either of these lenses will do a lovely job on film too. I also have been shooting with Leicas (next to Nikons and other cameras) since the late 1960s (IIc and IIf for a while there, then an M2 for a bit..., etc).

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    The 24 Elmar works decently well on the A7 and I'd assume it was even better on the A7s. It's not great on the A7r as a landscape lens.
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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    The 24 Elmar works decently well on the A7 and I'd assume it was even better on the A7s. It's not great on the A7r as a landscape lens.
    Thanks!

    (I'm pretty happy I chose to be cheap and go with the A7 rather than the A7r. The lens compatibility and EFCS along with its already more-than-enough sensitivity and resolution for my needs has made it a delight. :-)

    I'm going on my walk today with the M9 and Color-Skopar 28/3.5, coded to 11606 per the recommendations in this thread...

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    So, if I may ask, why have you decided to sell it?
    I do documentary work and have shot since 68. B&W film is my medium. I went to an M9 and new glass and was very disappointed with my M9. It didn't feel like my M film cameras and my particular camera was nothing but trouble. It tool a year and a half to get it straightened out. I was disappointed in the camera in general and felt I couldn't trust it.

    I sat down one day and looked back at the images I've shot over the past nearly 5 decades with Leicas and the look that I loved most was all film with my vintage glass of the 60's. Look at my link home and go to documentary.

    I felt some of the appeal at least to me were the imperfections of the film medium, grain, and character of the lenses. My aspheric glass and digital were too clean and perfect.

    I still shoot a lot of this work and all of my images are going to a special collection / archive in a museum for educational purposes. Archives almost insist on film not digital. Many will not even accept digital.

    Anyway the imperfections of older glass are more in character with my style and subject matter. I guess you might say I got bored with perfection. Also I get much more satisfaction out of shooting film and wet printing. Also I love the vintage look of old glass. I'm also shooting non AI glass with my nikon F. I have a lot of years using this gear and I can predict the end result every time.

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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    All perfectly reasonable. And, in the end, whatever you feel works best for your photography is all that's important.

    (The imperfections of film and processing are indeed some of the reasons I still love shooting with film. The malleability and capability of digital capture is what draws me to it when it's appropriate to my intent... )

    Thanks!
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    Re: which 24 or 28 mm lens ...

    Thought I'd add a follow-up, lots of good information in this thread.

    I've been out shooting with the M9 and the Color-Skopar 28mm lens the past week. A handy, nice feeling package. And carrying alongside it my M4-2 fitted with Color-Skopar 35mm or 50mm.

    The recommendation to try the lens code for the Leica Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8 ASPH on the M9/28 ... that's a magic trick, it corrects most of the Color-Skopar 28's tendency to color shift and vignette on the M9 sensor. And the lens profile for the same lens in Lightroom does a good number on rectilinear correction as well.

    But ... there's always a 'but' ... what I find is that the 35 and 50mm lenses are more comfortable to use on the M9 unless I fit an accessory optical finder. I simply can't seen the frame lines or edges of the finder accurately enough with anything wider than 35mm with this body to frame accurately, it's always a guess. This is because of my glasses ... they push my eye too far back for the M9 finder and 28mm lenses. The accessory optical finder slows me down—not necessarily a bad thing, but there are times when it's quite inconvenient.

    The difference between the M9 and M4-2 finders is marked: the M4-2 finder presents larger, clearer frame lines and a cleaner focusing patch. It makes no pretense about 28mm coverage so I have to use the accessory finder with it to get good framing accuracy. But the other difference between the M9 and M4-2 is also striking: the fact that once I load a roll of ACROS 100 film in the M4-2 I am stuck with one ISO for 36 shots is limiting, and the fact that I have to manually wind the shutter after every shot is another limitation. Having the choice of ISO and the motorized shutter re-cocking in the M9 makes me like using it more despite the extra bulk.

    So you folks may have saved me a couple of grand for a new lens. I'm more comfortable when using either camera with the 50 or 35 lenses, the Color-Skopar 28 with the right lens code works beautifully on the M9. When I want wider (or longer than 50mm), the A7 and E-M1 do better. I already have the right lenses for those.

    But that Super Elmar 24 and Summicron 28 do look appealing still. There's no rush... ]'-)

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    Yes, sometimes the older lenses' imaging make a difference that pleases. This is why I still love my ancient Hektor 135 and not quite as ancient M-Rokkor 90. And the modern Color-Skopar lenses ... their character reminds me much more of the older Leica lenses but with more modern flare control.
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    So many fine ways to run this stuff. I'd like to have either of the Summicron 28 or Elmar 24 lenses. But a decision to buy one of them is going to be on hold until at least after I get back from my Hawaii vacation (leaving Thursday)...

    Now what camera will I pack for Hawaii? Hmm... ?

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    By the way, is there a similar magic lens code for the Color Skopar 21mm f/4? I love my Color Skopar collection... :-)

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