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    The New Monochrom is here

    The write up is on the front page

    The New Leica Monochrom

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Beautiful photos Jono. Tempting camera...

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Pardon my ignorance. Is there a product announcement anywhere with specifications?

    Also, where I can buy a 28mm Summilux?

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Pardon my ignorance. Is there a product announcement anywhere with specifications?
    Specs and stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Also, where I can buy a 28mm Summilux?
    You can't Vivek - I've no idea if or when you will be able to . . . except a stainless steel one in a kit of course.

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Thanks, Jono.

    (I posted there asking him to fix the write up. Disappointingly, not much relevant information there.)

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Thanks, Jono.

    (I posted there asking him to fix the write up. Disappointingly, not much relevant information there.)
    is this more useful:
    Leica US

    . . or can I answer any questions?

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    I guessed the new pricing correctly! Do I win one?

    Looking at the first set of comparison images, I have to say I am happy with my original (silver) monochrom. I think the images are slightly more "filmic" if that's a word. Purely subjective, but the beautiful subtle noise at ISO 3200 and higher makes the images more film-like in my eye. I also don't shoot video except on video cameras, so no gain there.
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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    is this more useful:
    Leica US

    . . or can I answer any questions?
    Thanks, Jono (for being open to Qs. Was not sure based on the article. )!

    Is Elliot's cover(glass), less prone to pitting than Henri's? That is the US $7450 question.

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    Your photos with this new M Monochrom are outstanding Jono. I am very impressed with these photos as well as the ones seen on Leica's blog. The tonality is top notch and the sharpness might even match the original Monochrom. The better ISO is what we all theorized would be true and I'm not disappointed.

    One question though... Are we able to move around the entire frame during live view yet or is it still limited to the center area like the M240? This is still very strange why Leica doesn't allow us to move around the entire frame during live view.
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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Thanks, Jono (for being open to Qs. Was not sure based on the article. )!

    Is Elliot's cover(glass), less prone to pitting than Henri's? That is the US $7450 question.
    HI There Vivek
    It's completely different - so I'm almost certain that it's not prone at all - Certainly, nobody at Leica is worried about it!

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by animefx View Post
    Your photos with this new M Monochrom are outstanding Jono. I am very impressed with these photos as well as the ones seen on Leica's blog. The tonality is top notch and the sharpness might even match the original Monochrom. The better ISO is what we all theorized would be true and I'm not disappointed.

    One question though... Are we able to move around the entire frame during live view yet or is it still limited to the center area like the M240? This is still very strange why Leica doesn't allow us to move around the entire frame during live view.
    HI there
    Thanks for the kind words - as for the focus assist, it's same old same old I'm afraid (actually, I don't really mind that much, but I understand that others do!)

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    made me want one...
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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Hmm. Maybe I should just order one and not worry too much about it. But there's the M Edition 60 that I've been jonesing for...

    Ach, the trivial things that consume our attention.

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI There Vivek
    It's completely different - so I'm almost certain that it's not prone at all - Certainly, nobody at Leica is worried about it!
    Thanks, Jono. Let us hope so.

    I am happy that it is there. There is always a possibility I might want one down the road.
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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Thanks, Jono. Let us hope so.

    I am happy that it is there. There is always a possibility I might want one down the road.
    Just the right attitude . . . I think I feel rather the same way

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Thanks, Jono (for being open to Qs. Was not sure based on the article. )!

    Is Elliot's cover(glass), less prone to pitting than Henri's? That is the US $7450 question.
    I'll tell you after the 9th when I get my first one.
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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Jono
    Great stuff as usual. Does this one have a DNG histogram like the old one?

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    Nice...

    The one thing that'll prevent me from buying one: "ISO 320 to ISO 25000, adjustable in 1/3 ISO increments, choice of automatic control or manual setting."

    I know it sounds stupid, but I deal in manual exposure only, and I can't think in anything but full iso stops. One of the things that always bothered me about the M9/MM.

    Though just out of curiosity, highlight recovery is still an issue, correct? So how's the shadow recovery?

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    Highlight recovery will still be an issue as there are no other color channels to extrapolate data from, if the highlights are clipped there is no recovering.

    Shadow data on the other hand I would like to know how much can be lifted vs. the original M Monochrom. It should be as good or better since the ISO is much cleaner at higher ISO, but this is just a guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
    Nice...

    The one thing that'll prevent me from buying one: "ISO 320 to ISO 25000, adjustable in 1/3 ISO increments, choice of automatic control or manual setting."

    I know it sounds stupid, but I deal in manual exposure only, and I can't think in anything but full iso stops. One of the things that always bothered me about the M9/MM.

    Though just out of curiosity, highlight recovery is still an issue, correct? So how's the shadow recovery?

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    So the one thing that prevents you from buying what appears to be a great camera is that it offers you ISO 320, 400, 512, 640, etc, rather than 320, 640, 1280, etc? And that it offers you automatic ISO control?

    That seems pretty crazy to me. Of all the features that might get in my way, being able to select ISOs on a scale with grain of less than 1 EV isn't one of them, and if I don't want to use AutoISO, I just don't use it. Why does it bother you so much? Do you never set an aperture between the marked 1-stop increments?

    Just trying to figure out what I'm missing in your comment...

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
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    Great stuff as usual. Does this one have a DNG histogram like the old one?
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    Thank you - please could you save me checking them both out - do you mean on half pressing the shutter in live view? If so, then yes. Otherwise please explain more.

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    "Hmm. Maybe I should just order one and not worry too much about it. But there's the M Edition 60 that I've been jonesing for…" - Godfrey

    Just go ahead and pre-order it, Godfrey, and put black electrical tape over the LCD. After all, we've been doing that on the front of the camera for years.

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
    Though just out of curiosity, highlight recovery is still an issue, correct? So how's the shadow recovery?
    Well, it's only an issue if you over-expose, the cut off seems to me to be less dramatic than it was with the MM - but that could be me

    Quote Originally Posted by animefx View Post
    Highlight recovery will still be an issue as there are no other color channels to extrapolate data from, if the highlights are clipped there is no recovering.

    Shadow data on the other hand I would like to know how much can be lifted vs. the original M Monochrom. It should be as good or better since the ISO is much cleaner at higher ISO, but this is just a guess.
    Well, the sensor probably has almost two more stops of dynamic range than the MM (just as the M240 does over the M9. That translates to a huge ability to pull detail from the shadows - the results are also much less prone to banding than those of the MM

    grEGORy Simpson has done some great tests (and written a charming article) here:
    Sensor and Sensibility

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

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    hI Lou
    Thank you - please could you save me checking them both out - do you mean on half pressing the shutter in live view? If so, then yes. Otherwise please explain more.
    Sorry, I meant to ask does the M246 have a DNG histogram like the old MM has? I found it quite useful.

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I'll tell you after the 9th when I get my first one.
    Probably a silly question but it needs to be asked. How many you plan to get and...

    Edit: it was a silly question and the answer is here.

    Louis Foubare: Fluidity and Unpredictability in Street Photography « The Leica Camera

    Keep up the good work, Lou!
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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Jono
    Great stuff as usual. Does this one have a DNG histogram like the old one?
    HI Lou
    Yes - it does

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Probably a silly question but it needs to be asked. How many you plan to get and...

    Edit: it was a silly question and the answer is here.

    Louis Foubare: Fluidity and Unpredictability in Street Photography « The Leica Camera

    Keep up the good work, Lou!
    Thank you Vivek - I need to connect the dots better - Lou - I didn't realise that you were also the real Lou!
    Congratulations - great article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    GDG: "Hmm. Maybe I should just order one and not worry too much about it. But there's the M Edition 60 that I've been jonesing for…"

    Just go ahead and pre-order it, Godfrey, and put black electrical tape over the LCD. After all, we've been doing that on the front of the camera for years.
    LOL!

    Well, I just might. I'm selling the A7, I've decided to sell off all my R gear except two lenses (and maybe one Leicaflex SL body), I might sell the Hasselblad 500CM and the E-PL7, and a few of the "spare" M-mount lenses. That could well come up to cover the new Monochrom right there. And help empty the equipment cabinet a good bit at the same time, my major goal for this year.

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    HI Lou
    Yes - it does

    Thank you Vivek - I need to connect the dots better - Lou - I didn't realise that you were also the real Lou!
    Congratulations - great article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    So the one thing that prevents you from buying what appears to be a great camera is that it offers you ISO 320, 400, 512, 640, etc, rather than 320, 640, 1280, etc? And that it offers you automatic ISO control?

    That seems pretty crazy to me. Of all the features that might get in my way, being able to select ISOs on a scale with grain of less than 1 EV isn't one of them, and if I don't want to use AutoISO, I just don't use it. Why does it bother you so much? Do you never set an aperture between the marked 1-stop increments?

    Just trying to figure out what I'm missing in your comment...

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    HAHAHAHA.... Why are you trying to make me spend money!! I'm trying to convince myself not to buy the camera. That's a very valid excuse, and is almost working
    I have three M240 cameras, I don't need a M246!

    In all fairness it does make things easier if all your cameras "by feel" work the same. But no, it was more of a FAKE-OUT statement to try and get my to think negatively of the camera.. As I've stated before, I want something that'll force me to see in black and white, and I've been in talks with the wife over this. It's not something I'd use for work, and it's tempting me, but I've never been a fan of converting my images to black and white, so I'm wary of spending the money on a black and white camera.. Though I love to look at black and white images!

    So please, help me not spend money. Someone post some shitty photos already!

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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well, it's only an issue if you over-expose, the cut off seems to me to be less dramatic than it was with the MM - but that could be me



    Well, the sensor probably has almost two more stops of dynamic range than the MM (just as the M240 does over the M9. That translates to a huge ability to pull detail from the shadows - the results are also much less prone to banding than those of the MM

    grEGORy Simpson has done some great tests (and written a charming article) here:
    Sensor and Sensibility
    This is good to know. Jeeze you guys aren't making this easy on me.
    Still I hold firm, I need 200 iso
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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Great write up, Jono. I am sorely tempted. I do so love my MM"9", but the ISO performance and tonality at high ISO is very good....kudos to Leica...now, where is that $7450 that's been lying around...hmmm...
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    Re: The New Monochrom is here

    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
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    I have three M240 cameras, I don't need a M246!

    ... As I've stated before, I want something that'll force me to see in black and white...

    So please, help me not spend money. Someone post some shitty photos already!
    HAH! A fake out, eh? Unfortunately, my brain never lets me do such fake outs. I always know that I'm lying to myself and my gut knows what I want regardless. Sigh.

    But if you're just looking for a way to see in B&W and not spend money: take one of your M240s, set it up for B&W film mode with the Orange filter, and turn off raw capture. Fit the EVF and go back and forth between the optical and electronic viewfinders. Up to ISO 800-1600, you won't see much difference between it and the MM246 with an orange filter fitted ...

    IMO, all B&W film and MM in daylight should be done with a deep yellow or orange filter fitted anyway in order to get a reasonable translation of color to grayscale tonal equivalents. Otherwise it all looks dull and bland. Only in lower light and artificial light (which is much more yellow ...) does the native desaturated B&W from a monochrome capture look right to my eye.

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    Thanks for the post. The images from this camera look amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    HAH! A fake out, eh? Unfortunately, my brain never lets me do such fake outs. I always know that I'm lying to myself and my gut knows what I want regardless. Sigh.

    But if you're just looking for a way to see in B&W and not spend money: take one of your M240s, set it up for B&W film mode with the Orange filter, and turn off raw capture. Fit the EVF and go back and forth between the optical and electronic viewfinders. Up to ISO 800-1600, you won't see much difference between it and the MM246 with an orange filter fitted ...

    IMO, all B&W film and MM in daylight should be done with a deep yellow or orange filter fitted anyway in order to get a reasonable translation of color to grayscale tonal equivalents. Otherwise it all looks dull and bland. Only in lower light and artificial light (which is much more yellow ...) does the native desaturated B&W from a monochrome capture look right to my eye.

    G

    That's a good tip. I've never thought about using an orange filter before, seeing how I could just process from RAW. But yea the JPG idea sounds fun and more permanent, so it'll give me a real sense of loss, if I don't fancy BW work. Might give it a whirl on my next trip to convince myself BW isn't for me.

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    Thanks Jono - pleasure to read our review and thanks as well for the additional links.

    This may be my consolidation camera, but it'll take major sell-offs to afford the entry fee. Pare down to 2-4 favorite lenses and just this body as my M platform. Can shoot anywhere, any light, easy carry, extraordinary pleasure in use. That's it.
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