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    The New Monochrom - a fine report

    HI There
    I think this is a great article - detailed, carefully done, beautifully written, informative.

    Ultrasomething Monochrom Review

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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Sorry, i did not find it interesting (just tried follwing your link on othe other thread). Way too much and boring shots comparing M240, ending with a shot of some stereo rig. :sleep006:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Sorry, i did not find it interesting (just tried follwing your link on othe other thread). Way too much and boring shots comparing M240, ending with a shot of some stereo rig. :sleep006:
    I agree. Soporific review. And what's an MM9 ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI There
    I think this is a great article - detailed, carefully done, beautifully written, informative.

    Ultrasomething Monochrom Review
    Thanks for posting it ... I caught the link from your post to DPR earlier. He showed what was significant about the sensor in the typ 246, for me. And I now have his sites bookmarked - like his photography. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Sorry, i did not find it interesting (just tried follwing your link on othe other thread). Way too much and boring shots comparing M240, ending with a shot of some stereo rig. :sleep006:
    Fair does - each to his own - I find him funny, fun and informative. . . . his next part will be pictures.

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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Is the focus point scrollable in magnified liveview?

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    Is the focus point scrollable in magnified liveview?
    Apparently not (as per another post). It is a pity that they did not go for swivel LCD, fused silica cover plate either.

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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Fair does - each to his own - I find him funny, fun and informative. . . . his next part will be pictures.
    Lambert nailed it. I learnt a new word. Soporific.
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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Lambert nailed it. I learnt a new word. Soporific.
    Does that mean you don't find me soporific?

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    Is the focus point scrollable in magnified liveview?
    HI Keith
    sorry - no - same as before

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    Does that mean you don't find me soporific?
    Never a dull moment, Jono! Never!

    It is a pity that I missed meeting you an year or 2 ago while you were on a business trip in the country.
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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    If I remember well some compared the MM (M9) resolution to be equivalent to 30mp sensors thanks to the lack of bayer filter.
    My own quick comparaison between the MM and M240 confirmed a bit more resolution in the MM, to my eyes at least (same shots, same lens, print to the same size with MM file upsized, result= better apparent resolution from the MM).
    So I'm a bit surprised that the M246 and M240 show the same apparent resolution in this review. I suppose the crops are 100%.
    So isn't it a bit surprising ?
    Isn't the M246 supposed to give something like a 40mp equivalent sensor resolution ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    If I remember well some compared the MM (M9) resolution to be equivalent to 30mp sensors thanks to the lack of bayer filter.
    My own quick comparaison between the MM and M240 confirmed a bit more resolution in the MM, to my eyes at least (same shots, same lens, print to the same size with MM file upsized, result= better apparent resolution from the MM).
    So I'm a bit surprised that the M246 and M240 show the same apparent resolution in this review. I suppose the crops are 100%.
    So isn't it a bit surprising ?
    Isn't the M246 supposed to give something like a 40mp equivalent sensor resolution ?
    My take on this is that when there's enough light to use the base sensitivity and sufficient exposure is given to the sensor, the difference between a gamma-corrected Bayer sensor and a monochrome sensor is small enough that it takes instrumentation to really see a difference. The errors incorporated through the interpolation process don't change the effective perceptual resolution by much.

    However, when the sensitivity needs to be higher, the different sensitivities at the sensor due to red, green, and blue filtration become more apparent and the gamma interpolation process incorporates greater error. That's when the advantage of the monochrome sensor for detailing and dynamic range become visible to the eye.

    So "some compared the MM (M9) resolution to be equivalent to 30mp sensors" might be a reasonable description of the difference if the ISO were comparing detail retention at, say, ISO 1600 between M9 and MM9.

    I think Egor's article shows this behavior well in his (boring to some) test photos:
    http://www.ultrasomething.com/photog...d-sensibility/

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    And what's an MM9 ??
    Second best monochrome camera ever.....and it also shoots color!!

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    I read a technical paper by Zeiss (called special_mtf_02.pdf and is freely availiable) that explains how to interpret mtf curves.

    This is a quote:

    " Doubling the number of pixels improves the transfer function even if the sensor resolution is better than the resolution of the lens.

    The curve for the poor lens on the 24 MP sensor is almost as good as the curve of the good lens with the 12 MP sensor.

    We expect differences between 12 and 24 MP to be visible but we also see that they should not be overestimated (see Comparison 4). The differences are not as large as the numbers 12 and 24 may suggest. "



    It is not surprising that the resolution differences between MM (old) and MM new are not huge.
    Maybe 50mp would show a noticeable difference provided the per pixel quality is the same.
    What surprises me more is that testers did not find much difference in resolution between M240 and MM new.
    The difference between M9 and MM old was evidently largely in favor of MM.

    So other factors must also play a role.
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    Just a quick note about the "crashed library" part. If this happen, either use time machine to restore a previous version or ctrl-click the library file (it is actually a "package", that is a directory presenting itself as a file) and choose "show package content". Then you'll see the files in the library "package". Presumably, all what is needed is to delete the offending file in the "masters" directory.

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    I think reading all the reviews is worth it and then one can piece together what one wants to piece together and ignore the rest.

    Me, I have ignored my better judgement and ordered one a long, long time ago.
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    Or maybe the apo lens used during the test is the limiting factor despite it's legendary reputation (no I can't believe that and much prefer the interpretation of Godfrey......).
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    I already have a monochrom (old) that the new one could easily beat for concerts, theater, lower shutter noise, better high iso, handles R telephotos and maybe more.
    Unfortunately for Leica i happen to like color for those events, so i pass, my monochrom is perfect for my use and i don't need video.
    The next M something with color and a better EVF on the contrary will certainly interest me and more.
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    Jono, I much prefer your report than that other fella's

    As usual, an excellent precise report with Jono images to make us want for more.

    Our best regards to Scarlett and her family.

    p.s. Too rich for my budget and a new RF is too much for my eyes.
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    Thanks for your report Jon!
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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    just realized we had a rayyan and a rayyen

    and i'm getting a thing for the M246...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Fair does - each to his own -
    So can you find out what Leica means by HD video?

    Unlimited files ... 4Gb limit ... HDMI output compressed or uncompressed?

    Focus assist with magnification during exposure?

    Peaking, Histogram, Waveforms in monitor?

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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Just came across this review of the MM246 and thought others would appreciate it:

    LEICA M MONOCHROM (TYP 246) REVIEW by David Farkas (Red Dot Report)

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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Quote Originally Posted by jerome_m View Post
    Just a quick note about the "crashed library" part. If this happen, either use time machine to restore a previous version or ctrl-click the library file (it is actually a "package", that is a directory presenting itself as a file) and choose "show package content". Then you'll see the files in the library "package". Presumably, all what is needed is to delete the offending file in the "masters" directory.
    Thanks for this Jerome - that's true - and helpful, but if you have a managed Aperture library with 50,000 images in it, it may not be quite so easy to find! I also didn't manage to make that work with Photos.

    Fortunately it should soon be fixed.

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    Thank you also to you Jono, you helped me a lot understanding what to expect from the M246, and as always lovely pictures.
    Long ago your pictures and comments decided me buy the first monochrom and i am still very happy with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Thanks for this Jerome - that's true - and helpful, but if you have a managed Aperture library with 50,000 images in it, it may not be quite so easy to find! I also didn't manage to make that work with Photos.
    It works with Photos and it is easy to find. The directory structure makes sense for humans. If your picture is called 1234.dng and was taken on march, 1st 2015 it will be found in:
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    It works with Photos and it is easy to find. The directory structure makes sense for humans. If your picture is called 1234.dng and was taken on march, 1st 2015 it will be found in:
    masters/2015/03/01/1234.dng
    Ummmmm... You're doing yourself a disservice by having 50k photos in your LR cat.

    You should make a new cat. every session and just name it the date you were out. You should also keep those said sessions on an external SSD (preferably thunderbolt drive). And have LR on your internal SSD. Have all the cat files in one folder, and have all the images in their respective dated folders.

    Performance wise, that's the fastest way to work. AND, a bit of preplanning every time you unload your memory cards will save you a lot of headache down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
    Ummmmm... You're doing yourself a disservice by having 50k photos in your LR cat.
    Well actually I was talking about my Aperture LIBRARY - not my LR Catalogue
    . . and that's important so that you can find everything on a particular subject without trailing through lots of different libraries (eg kingfishers in Crete - or pictures take with the 28 summicron).
    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
    You should make a new cat. every session and just name it the date you were out. You should also keep those said sessions on an external SSD (preferably thunderbolt drive). And have LR on your internal SSD. Have all the cat files in one folder, and have all the images in their respective dated folders.
    Now I'm using LR and . .
    Well, internal SSD / external thunderbolt SSD is exactly what I do. but as I say, lots of catalogues has the problem of searching across lots of different dates / periods (unless you know a wonder way of searching across different catalogues?

    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
    Performance wise, that's the fastest way to work. AND, a bit of preplanning every time you unload your memory cards will save you a lot of headache down the road.
    Thanks for the help, date based folder structures etc. etc. been doing it since I started scanning pictures 20 years ago. But if you know a wonder way of keyword searching across multiple LR catalogues then I'm quite open to suggestions! Otherwise I'm going to need to keep an overall catalogue - and one day I'm going to have to convert my Aperture Library - but the plan is to reduce it to a couple of thousand quality images.

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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Quote Originally Posted by jerome_m View Post
    It works with Photos and it is easy to find. The directory structure makes sense for humans. If your picture is called 1234.dng and was taken on march, 1st 2015 it will be found in:
    masters/2015/03/01/1234.dng
    HI Jerome
    Imagine - you have 4 Leica cameras, all with filenames starting with 'L' you've been importing jpg+dng into your Aperture Library with jpg as master for 3 months - still using 10.10.2 - you aren't very computer savvy (like lots of photographers I know). Then you decide to update to 10.10.3 and BAM - you can't load your library. You have lots of Lxxxxx.dng files scattered through folders and directories in your Aperture /Photos library, you aren't sure which is which, and anyway nobody has told you how to look inside the folder

    My warning wasn't personal - it was generic - It only caused me irritation . but it could be quite bad for someone in the above situation.

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    Yes, use tags for your images in each cat. But other then that, no not really a smart way to flip between cats.

    I use a word document to keep track of notes/cats etc. And organise each cat. by month, and then within the month work vs personal, and as a side bar vacations are in folders by vacation w/dates separate from work and personal. Thats for the actual RAW/jpg files. Then all the LR cats are in one folder and I tag them by color to search faster through the OS. Then within the cats I have tags on images within LR so I can pick out images quicker.

    Really not much else you can do about it I suppose. Since you need to go back and forth so much it seems.
    If you really need to fast switch between cats, then all images on one cat. with every image tagged appropriately is your only method. But your workflow will be slower for it. Though tags do make things faster (when it comes to searching) within LR itself.

    EDIT: Also want to add that I usually buy 2 HDD for every 6 months. Each HDD has the same data on it. As in, I load the photos in the same way to each HDD. I edit off of one HDD, then I save the CAT onto the other HDD when I'm finished for the night. Usually 2 HDD (really just one, since the other is redundant) lasts me 3-6 months, depending on the type of work I'm shooting. Once I get a HDD near full, I print labels and stick them onto the front of the HDD and have my wife write the date, and I have a number on each HDD which corresponds to the LR cat notes on my desktop.

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    HI Jerome
    Imagine - you have 4 Leica cameras, all with filenames starting with 'L' you've been importing jpg+dng into your Aperture Library with jpg as master for 3 months - still using 10.10.2 - you aren't very computer savvy (like lots of photographers I know). Then you decide to update to 10.10.3 and BAM - you can't load your library. You have lots of Lxxxxx.dng files scattered through folders and directories in your Aperture /Photos library, you aren't sure which is which, and anyway nobody has told you how to look inside the folder

    My warning wasn't personal - it was generic - It only caused me irritation . but it could be quite bad for someone in the above situation.

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    This is a good point. I always rename the first character of every camera I get. I use to be cleaver, now it's just A, B, C, D...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Jerome
    Imagine - you have 4 Leica cameras, all with filenames starting with 'L' you've been importing jpg+dng into your Aperture Library with jpg as master for 3 months - still using 10.10.2 - you aren't very computer savvy (like lots of photographers I know). Then you decide to update to 10.10.3 and BAM - you can't load your library. You have lots of Lxxxxx.dng files scattered through folders and directories in your Aperture /Photos library, you aren't sure which is which, and anyway nobody has told you how to look inside the folder

    My warning wasn't personal - it was generic - It only caused me irritation . but it could be quite bad for someone in the above situation.

    I was only trying to help. Sure, Apple gets the blame for the crashed library. All I wanted to say is: if that happens to you, there is no reason for panic. It can be fixed without trashing the whole library and that is the procedure to do it.

    It is not very important whether one has 50 thousand files and 4 cameras, BTW. Since the files are organised internally by date, you only need to look in the directory holding the files for the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
    Yes, use tags for your images in each cat. But other then that, no not really a smart way to flip between cats.
    I think it depends really on what sort of use you need of your images - I shoot the same subjects from season to season, and I want to be able to create collections etc. from all of my images. Having a separate document to pull it together really doesn't do it.

    If you're shooting events, or specific jobs for clients, then they're pretty much lone standing, and having lots of catalogues is clearly a way forward.

    I have to say though, that my Aperture library (which has all undeleted images from 2000 onward - some 75,000) is perfectly fast, no issues.

    I've only been using LR this year, so my catalogue is a mere 15,000 (I tend to cull at the end of the year). But it's perfectly quick.

    . . As for naming files for cameras - I do that as well - intelligently, and it's much easier now with the M cameras as you can name them within the camera. . . . but when writing an article like that the point is to think of other users rather than knowing what one can do oneself. . . . . . and of course, without the warning you wouldn't know what was the cause - it took me some time to work it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerome_m View Post
    I was only trying to help. Sure, Apple gets the blame for the crashed library. All I wanted to say is: if that happens to you, there is no reason for panic. It can be fixed without trashing the whole library and that is the procedure to do it.

    It is not very important whether one has 50 thousand files and 4 cameras, BTW. Since the files are organised internally by date, you only need to look in the directory holding the files for the day.
    HI Jerome.
    I know you were trying to help - but I didn't need the help - someone might some day though

    . . . . but if you had converted a 10.2.2 Aperture library they might be spread over months . . . and you might have used several cameras with similar file names on identical days.


    I quite understand what you're saying - but the point in the article was to
    a) warn people so that they UNDERSTAND if it happens to them
    b) to make it clear that it was an issue that Apple would resolve.
    c) to save them the trouble of having to fix it

    Putting solutions in articles is rather fraught as you then become responsible for them, and you can perhaps imagine how many emails something like that might cause,

    Of course, if it DOES happen to anyone, and they email me I'll help them to sort it out . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Jerome.
    I know you were trying to help - but I didn't need the help - someone might some day though
    Exactly. This was the only reason for my post: someone may have a crashed library, use google, and find this thread. Nothing more.
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    Ummmmm... You're doing yourself a disservice by having 50k photos in your LR cat.

    You should make a new cat. every session and just name it the date you were out. You should also keep those said sessions on an external SSD (preferably thunderbolt drive). And have LR on your internal SSD. Have all the cat files in one folder, and have all the images in their respective dated folders.

    Performance wise, that's the fastest way to work. AND, a bit of preplanning every time you unload your memory cards will save you a lot of headache down the road.
    Um, no.

    My main Lightroom "work-in-progress" catalog contains (currently) 99,233 images, which allows me to search and find images across hundreds of sessions and projects from 2002 onwards. The Lightroom catalog folder is on the internal SSD, the original image files are stored three 2T external FW800 hard drives. For what I do most of the time, this is the fastest way to get what I want done.

    When I'm working on a specific project, I often take what I've pulled together from the main catalog and output it to a smaller catalog to work on until finished. I do this not to improve performance, but to reduce distraction. Once I've finished that project, I import the small catalog back into the big one for the live 'work in progress'; I also export all the finished work to a new directory as full resolution, 16bit TIFF files plus whatever other photo deliverables were required.

    Your workflow does well for certain kinds of business efforts ... I used to do that when I was shooting client work, aggregating each client's work into a master catalog for that client after finishing the deliverables for each session. But it doesn't change LR performance by much at all; it simply makes it easier for you to keep your work organized on a different granularity.

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    This is a good point. I always rename the first character of every camera I get. I use to be cleaver, now it's just A, B, C, D...
    If I had multiple, identical cameras, I might do that kind of thing. Normally, though, I'm pretty uninterested in which camera produced what image, and only marginally interested in what lens or exposure was used most of the time. It's useful when testing equipment and tracking usage, but I don't need to do that any more. :-)

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    Going back to the new Monochrom, I'm reading that it produces 12 bit files, which severely limits the information available in the white areas. This could be a major show stopper for many. Anyone know more about this? Link to what I'm referring to is here:
    Monochrom M246 DNG technical analysis - Leica M9 / M-E / Leica M Monochrom - Leica Forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    If I had multiple, identical cameras, I might do that kind of thing. Normally, though, I'm pretty uninterested in which camera produced what image, and only marginally interested in what lens or exposure was used most of the time. It's useful when testing equipment and tracking usage, but I don't need to do that any more. :-)

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    I keep files by date and general type. I have the Leicas sorted by first number of the file. They go L1xxyyyy for the M8 (it's still alive) up to L7xxyyyy for the second M240. Olympus files don't let me do this, but at least i store the different models in different folders. It is annoying that the Olympus files start with the month and day (no year), so I will have a chance of same filename occurring in two folders. I keep galleries around by trip or event to find old stuff by inspection. Too lazy to keyword, so what good would catalogs do me?

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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post
    Going back to the new Monochrom, I'm reading that it produces 12 bit files, which severely limits the information available in the white areas. This could be a major show stopper for many. Anyone know more about this? Link to what I'm referring to is here:
    Monochrom M246 DNG technical analysis - Leica M9 / M-E / Leica M Monochrom - Leica Forum

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    Not surprised. I look forward to more info on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    I keep files by date and general type. I have the Leicas sorted by first number of the file. They go L1xxyyyy for the M8 (it's still alive) up to L7xxyyyy for the second M240. Olympus files don't let me do this, but at least i store the different models in different folders. It is annoying that the Olympus files start with the month and day (no year), so I will have a chance of same filename occurring in two folders. I keep galleries around by trip or event to find old stuff by inspection. Too lazy to keyword, so what good would catalogs do me?

    scott
    Saying "I'm too lazy to keyword" points to where a catalog system with some automation would do you a lot of good.

    - I have LR do the transfer of files to computer for me, and have it rename the files with one of two patterns: YYMMDD-{original file number} or YYMMDD-{tag}-{original file number} where {original file number} is the numeric portion of whatever the camera assigned and {tag} is any mnemonic I would like a set of files to carry.

    - During import, I tell LR location information for the shooting session via a set of presets I defined long ago. So all the files imported have basic information in IPTC as to where they were made.

    - I also have LR apply keywords when importing, so if I want to track specific camera body in the case where I have multiple bodies of the same type, I just type whatever I want to call the different body into the keyword field. It's applied to every file in that import session.

    - I created a couple of presets which combine default keywords, copyright, and location information into one for the major shooting themes I've been working on. The majority choice is incorporated into an import preset that also sets all the other import details and the correct location to put the files. That way I pick one preset for about 90% of all my shooting and all three of the above things are automatically taken care of, and they're stored in the right place in my computer without me having to think about it.

    With LR's automation, I can be very lazy and still have image files with at least basic IPTC annotation, keywords, and the file naming schema of my choice, stored in the correct file system location on my working file system, taken care of.

    This has little to do with the MM246, however. :-)
    Update on that: I've contacted my favorite Leica specialist and ordered one. I wonder how long it will take to arrive.

    onwards!
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    I want one - just gotta find a way to afford one...
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    Just sell/trade other stuff? With such high ISOs available, I wouldn't need Summiluxes; f2 bokeh is just fine with me.

    Kirk

    PS / BTW: Perhaps I've missed something that everyone else knows: When does Leica plan to release the 246s?
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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post
    Going back to the new Monochrom, I'm reading that it produces 12 bit files, which severely limits the information available in the white areas. This could be a major show stopper for many. Anyone know more about this? Link to what I'm referring to is here:
    Monochrom M246 DNG technical analysis - Leica M9 / M-E / Leica M Monochrom - Leica Forum

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    Hi There Bob
    That's right - although you'll see that the information in the white areas is actually better than the previous MM.

    This was discussed a long time ago - and Leica did lots of tests to see whether it was better to go one way or another. Unfortunately I'm not technically qualified to discuss it further (but I think they will).

    In the meantime - the new camera has better dynamic range and better high ISO than the previous camera - and it seems fine for extensive post processing. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Saying "I'm too lazy to keyword" points to where a catalog system with some automation would do you a lot of good.

    - I have LR do the transfer of files to computer for me, and have it rename the files with one of two patterns: YYMMDD-{original file number} or YYMMDD-{tag}-{original file number} where {original file number} is the numeric portion of whatever the camera assigned and {tag} is any mnemonic I would like a set of files to carry.

    - During import, I tell LR location information for the shooting session via a set of presets I defined long ago. So all the files imported have basic information in IPTC as to where they were made.

    - I also have LR apply keywords when importing, so if I want to track specific camera body in the case where I have multiple bodies of the same type, I just type whatever I want to call the different body into the keyword field. It's applied to every file in that import session.

    - I created a couple of presets which combine default keywords, copyright, and location information into one for the major shooting themes I've been working on. The majority choice is incorporated into an import preset that also sets all the other import details and the correct location to put the files. That way I pick one preset for about 90% of all my shooting and all three of the above things are automatically taken care of, and they're stored in the right place in my computer without me having to think about it.

    With LR's automation, I can be very lazy and still have image files with at least basic IPTC annotation, keywords, and the file naming schema of my choice, stored in the correct file system location on my working file system, taken care of.

    This has little to do with the MM246, however. :-)
    Update on that: I've contacted my favorite Leica specialist and ordered one. I wonder how long it will take to arrive.

    onwards!
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    Thank you Godfrey
    it may not be relevant to this post - but it's excellently valuable information and I for one (as a new LR user) am very grateful for the 'prod'.

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    Hi There Bob
    That's right - although you'll see that the information in the white areas is actually better than the previous MM.

    This was discussed a long time ago - and Leica did lots of tests to see whether it was better to go one way or another. Unfortunately I'm not technically qualified to discuss it further (but I think they will).

    In the meantime - the new camera has better dynamic range and better high ISO than the previous camera - and it seems fine for extensive post processing. . .

    All the best
    Thanks Jono. I'll have to noodle that around for a bit: seems counter-physics.

    Was it discussed on this forum? Elsewhere I can read about it? Or just in the "dark lab" at Leica HQ? Any pointers you can provide would really be helpful.

    Again many thanks,
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    Was it discussed on this forum? Elsewhere I can read about it? Or just in the "dark lab" at Leica HQ? Any pointers you can provide would really be helpful.
    Sean Reid's review (subscription site) is pretty convincing. He doesn't know how many bits there are but he provides dynamic range test that are well thought out.

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    Re: The New Monochrom - a fine report

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Sean Reid's review (subscription site) is pretty convincing. He doesn't know how many bits there are but he provides dynamic range test that are well thought out.

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    Thanks Scott. I did not read that and, because I don't have a subscription, probably won't be able to.

    Does Sean answer the question of why Leica moved DOWN in the bit depth of the files we get? And I believe there is a real difference, a very large difference as I understand it, in the amount of information available. That has much more to do with tonality than dynamic range. Could the new M260 perform even better with 14bit outputs? Though marketing says the elves see no difference, I'd like to understand that better.

    Just by having 4 pixels dedicated to gray scale rather than interpreting 4RGGB pixels will give you greater dynamic (point in fact the difference in dynamic range/ISO between the Monochrom and the M9). Same pixels and increase in resolution and DR. (see Erwin Puts' discussion at Monochrom analysis | LEICAgraphy )

    So now we see the same with the M240 vs the M260. Increase DR and resolution. So is the increase in DR and ISO simply do to increasing the pixel count between the Monochrom and the M260 and removing the filters on the sensor? Why did Leica dumb down the bit count? Bit depth increases exponentially, as I understand it, so it is a HUGE difference between 12 & 14bit depth.

    Just wondering why Leica didn't go full boat here. Was it a rush to market and they didn't want to spend on developing a new processor that could handle the much large amount of gray scale info? It may effect tonality within the whites more than we (I) want. It's not dynamic range nor detail: it's available information which I think may significantly impact tonality.

    I would just like to hear the reason why... It's a lot of $ to spend without knowing the facts (which really haven't been released) and just knowing the marketing.

    I hope this all makes sense. I'm not all that technical, but I do know a little (a little knowledge is a dangerous thing comes to mind). And I'd just like all the information laid out there...

    Thanks,
    Bob
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