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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosermage View Post
    I'm not sure about that... When RX1 came out, people said sell your 35 lux or cron and get the RX1 instead and now it's buy the Q instead. I think it's still more sensible to buy the lens instead of a fixed lens body. I'm hoping some of the Q-goodness can rub off on that next M iteration.
    what really is exciting about that lens is it's compactness, autofocus, and aperture for full frame. I see future M lenses moving to automoatic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Just because the tech has become obsolete doesn't mean the camera is useless.

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    Of course not. It's still a bad idea IMO. And your E-1 wasn't priced at 3x my oldest's first car. The point is of course that this Summicron likely is good enough to stay relevant for decades rather than years, whereas the camera itself does not.
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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    Still curious if Leica's strategy with this Q goes beyond bragging rights over RX1. Leica does not need another halo product - there's plenty of other products to cover that territory - and Leica has effectively priced itself out of any volume sales.

    To develop its business and sell more lenses, a "low-budget" M body at $2K-3K would make more sense - entry level for the M system, open up for more M lens purchases, invite to upgrade body later on.

    But this Q - it's just esoteric, for a limited market.
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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    what really is exciting about that lens is it's compactness, autofocus, and aperture for full frame. I see future M lenses moving to automoatic
    Respectfully, I hope you're wrong I wish they keep developing this line for you, but also keep up the M for me. Funny enough, with all the good reviews on the autofocus, it has zero interest to me, and the M lenses are already compact and full frame. With the Q release, I feel slightly jilted because it's investment away from the M models, but maybe they have enough people now to work on both lines? We'll see later this year, I guess (hope).
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    Of course not. It's still a bad idea IMO. And your E-1 wasn't priced at 3x my oldest's first car. The point is of course that this Summicron likely is good enough to stay relevant for decades rather than years, whereas the camera itself does not.
    The E-1 plus 11-22 when they were new were priced at about $3300 in 2004 money, which was about 5x what my first car cost me. ;-)

    The Summicron lens used in the Q is a lens specifically designed for the Q body and sensor as an integrated component with its image stabilization system, etc. It's as obsolete as the body is.

    Others could invert your comments ... "Why should I buy a $4000 lens for a $3000 body? It doesn't make sense!" What things cost and how they are valued is such a slippery thing...

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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hosermage View Post
    Respectfully, I hope you're wrong I wish they keep developing this line for you, but also keep up the M for me. Funny enough, with all the good reviews on the autofocus, it has zero interest to me, and the M lenses are already compact and full frame. With the Q release, I feel slightly jilted because it's investment away from the M models, but maybe they have enough people now to work on both lines? We'll see later this year, I guess (hope).
    I agree but also wish Leica well and hope they pull this off commercially.

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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The E-1 plus 11-22 when they were new were priced at about $3300 in 2004 money, which was about 5x what my first car cost me. ;-)

    The Summicron lens used in the Q is a lens specifically designed for the Q body and sensor as an integrated component with its image stabilization system, etc. It's as obsolete as the body is.

    Others could invert your comments ... "Why should I buy a $4000 lens for a $3000 body? It doesn't make sense!" What things cost and how they are valued is such a slippery thing...

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    Hehe I stand corrected - my memories of E-1 have faded a bit.

    Sure someone could invert my comment - but they'd be wrong. The reason we invest more in lenses than bodies is, once again, that glass is what creates and captures the image, and glass conceptually does not become obsolete. A body OTOH is just a light-proof box with a sensor. Your typical interchangeable-lens shooter of today has gone through more camera bodies in the last ten years than a lifetime before that.
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    Well my Leica M and 28 summicron are now both up for sale and the Q is on order. You may ask why? Well since I have mostly switched to the Sony A7 system my M has hardly had any use and then only with the 28 summicron for street/documentary work. At one point I had hoped to be able to sell the M and use the 28 summicron asph on one of my Sony bodies but unfortunately this lens is one of the worst performers from the leica stable on the Sony's. Also as much as I liked the results from the M and the 28 cron I have always found that in reality that the 28 frame-lines on the M are so near to the edge of the the viewfinder that it is a little hard to really judge the whole image and that the M finder is best suited for lenses from 35-75mm. The Q really ticks nearly all the boxes for me when it comes to a 28mm lens and camera combination and I think it is a camera that I will be happy with for years to come.

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    for those who doesn't have a 28mm summicron lens and want in, then it's a no brainer. buy the Q instead of the lens.

    But for those who already have a 28mm...should we buy the Q? or just buy another used M240 body which comes close to the sticker price of the Q?
    Or just use the M we own with the lenses we own...

    There is one reason why I could become weak...these days I sometimes like shooting with one hand without bringing the camera to the face, from deeper perspective or while walking. This is much easier with a fast AF and face detection.

    But for me it is 2 questions: If one pays so much money, does a 28mm fixed focal length really fulfil our requirement? (if I see what I use on my M most then it is 35 and 50mm and not 28mm)
    If not and if we see this camera as an adition to an M system: Do we want to have that addition in this size or would a Ricoh GR/Nikon A/x2 not be the better addition?

    Buying this camera instead of a 28mm prime would not be my prefered choice.
    I dont want to carry 2 camera bodies, and when photographing I would not like to switch between 2 different camera bodies, and when processing the images of one day I would like to have them from the same sensor with a consistent look.

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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    Well, actually folks, the longer I think about the Q, read all the opinions here and on the net and see the great results, the closer I come to the point of wanting one as well. Maybe I will part with my M 2/28 and one of my old M film bodies and pull the trigger, just need some more thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    what really is exciting about that lens is it's compactness, autofocus, and aperture for full frame. I see future M lenses moving to automoatic
    Well, Kaufman has been quoted that the M system is not going anywhere, so that means either that Leica will somehow figure out a way to do autofocus lenses on an M body or the M will coexist with an autofocus system. The latter can be done more easily because it need not have an M mount; M lenses could be used manually via an adapter. The T had this of course, but an interchangeable lens Q would be a more elegant solution. It may be that Leica is simply testing the waters here, allowing the marketplace to speak. But since the next M is supposed to come out later this year, I suspect it will be a more traditional manual camera with a better external EVF and maybe some more megapixels (frankly, 24 is fine with me (but I also said that about 10mp some years ago 8-)) and we'll have to wait for any more dramatic changes.
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    There won't be a successor to the M, at least no meaningful one. Variations on its theme, maybe an incremental sensor improvement here and a feature enhancement there, but no realistic successor as the M240/246 is to the M9/MM/M8. In the same way that Leica's film M's have reached their endpoint, the digital M product curve is matured and done. The future line for development is the Q. Now fixed-lens to test the waters, soon to have an interchangeable mount, and then a line of Q-mount AF/MF lenses.

    Think on it a moment (if you haven't already but I'm sure you have). A camera the size of your film M's with comparable haptics, with comparably small and fast lenses, a truly excellent EVF, AF or MF (on demand, you choose), digital imaging for all purposes equivalent or better than that of Oly/Fuji/Sony bodies. Whew. Get on it Leica, bravo.
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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    You folks all speak with such incredible certainty about Leica's future products!

    I'm happy with what I've got in M and X cameras. The Q looks to be outstanding. I'm sure that when they make the next M, it will be too—whatever they do with it. I'll be happiest if it works even better with my M-mount lenses.

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    I want to Leica Q Vario...or Leica Q with AF Tri-Elmar 28-35-50.
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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    The faux-frameline pixel-throwaway concept is interesting.
    One of the things I love about M is seeing outside the frame, and snapping as the pieces "fall into place".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceh View Post

    I want to Leica Q Vario...or Leica Q with AF Tri-Elmar 28-35-50.
    Personally I wouldn't want a vary lens as it would make the max aperture so much slower. Give me a Q with a 50 lux and I would be happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg284 View Post
    The faux-frameline pixel-throwaway concept is interesting.
    One of the things I love about M is seeing outside the frame, and snapping as the pieces "fall into place".
    Exactly. It's quite an interesting feature, I like the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceh View Post

    I want to Leica Q Vario...or Leica Q with AF Tri-Elmar 28-35-50.
    +1 or in the case if it had a Tri- Elmar lens....+3! .

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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    The Q28 already can be cropped to 35/50. Q16 will do the Wate range.

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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The Q28 already can be cropped to 35/50. Q16 will do the Wate range.
    Any image, throughout the entire history of photography, can be cropped. Not the same as different focal lengths.
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    Re: Leica Q anyone?

    When it comes to leica it is a concept- no, a new "phenomenon".

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