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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    I think that MTF is not right. They still don't have the dashed line for sagittal yet. Impressively low distortion though.

    Current price in HK is 60000 HKD, or $7700
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    I like it - I've had one on and off since 2013 - here are some very short thoughts and a few snaps
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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    I like it - I've had one on and off since 2013 - here are some very short thoughts and a few snaps
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    Thank you for the write up, Jono. Can you confirm the published MTF is the right one. It doesn't seem to have very good corners based on that MTF.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by hiepphotog View Post
    I think that MTF is not right. They still don't have the dashed line for sagittal yet. Impressively low distortion though.

    Current price in HK is 60000 HKD, or $7700
    A pity.

    We would see them on eBay in 2 years for 2K less. I may visit the local boutique shop to have a glimpse (or not).

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by hiepphotog View Post
    Thank you for the write up, Jono. Can you confirm the published MTF is the right one. It doesn't seem to have very good corners based on that MTF.
    Sorry - without doing an MTF test myself it's hard to comment. It's always a minefield . . . everyone seems to think that the 24 elmar is fantastically sharp, but I found the corners soft at around 10 metres.

    This lens seems to me to be sharp to the corners whenever I need it to be. (not very scientific perhaps, but relevant to real life shooting).

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    I like it - I've had one on and off since 2013 - here are some very short thoughts and a few snaps
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    Excellent photos with what seems to be a very good lens. 28mm has once again become one of my three "go-to" lenses (28/50/105mm), and this would be an obvious choice if I could afford the luxury of owning a Leica. I hope they sell a lot of them.
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    A pity.

    We would see them on eBay in 2 years for 2K less. I may visit the local boutique shop to have a glimpse (or not).
    Hi Vivek
    Well, it's much closer to the price of the 35 FLE than that of the 24 'lux, and perhaps that's a welcome surprise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Sorry - without doing an MTF test myself it's hard to comment. It's always a minefield . . . everyone seems to think that the 24 elmar is fantastically sharp, but I found the corners soft at around 10 metres.

    This lens seems to me to be sharp to the corners whenever I need it to be. (not very scientific perhaps, but relevant to real life shooting).
    I agree since the MTF only reflects infinity performance unless noted otherwise. I have the Elmar 24 as well, and I am seeing the same soft corners at close distance. I suspect that is because of the lack of floating element. I would not be surprised if the SEM 21 having the same problem.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    That makes little sense. Since the 28/1.4 has floating elements, the infinity MTF should be reflective of the other distances as well. I do not see any measures at f/1.4 either. How it plays with the Sony A7 series remains to be seen and would help with its value.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I do not see any measures at f/1.4 either.
    en.leica-camera.com/content/download/124166/1364844/version/2/file/Instruction_Summilux-M_28mm_1-4_ASPH.pdf - Page 7.
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    Wow, that's a much better MTF. The other one is the mistake hopefully.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by jffielde View Post
    Wow, that's a much better MTF. The other one is the mistake hopefully.
    Indeed.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Vivek
    Well, it's much closer to the price of the 35 FLE than that of the 24 'lux, and perhaps that's a welcome surprise?
    I guess, it is. There are absolute junk being introduced for 1400 Euros (The Meyer Trioplan- a triplet, for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiepphotog View Post
    I agree since the MTF only reflects infinity performance unless noted otherwise. I have the Elmar 24 as well, and I am seeing the same soft corners at close distance. I suspect that is because of the lack of floating element. I would not be surprised if the SEM 21 having the same problem.
    Not my SEM21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    That makes little sense. Since the 28/1.4 has floating elements, the infinity MTF should be reflective of the other distances as well. I do not see any measures at f/1.4 either. How it plays with the Sony A7 series remains to be seen and would help with its value.
    Sorry Vivek, but I cannot agree that having the 28/1.4 work on the A7 will help with its value. It seems that the majority of Sony users working with Leica lenses have already had their Leica lenses before getting a Sony. Plus, at those prices why not just get the Zeiss 25 or Sony/Zeiss 28 for better value for the Sony?
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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    You should be sorry for not paying attention.

    Try the A7s and you will understand what I mean.

    Though spoken from a personal usage view, I strongly believe that the E mount platform is something that the current M mount one can only dream about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    You should be sorry for not paying attention.

    Try the A7s and you will understand what I mean.

    Though spoken from a personal usage view, I strongly believe that the E mount platform is something that the current M mount one can only dream about.
    The current a7s does not interest me, however the a7II does interest me, first as a backup camera and then if appreciated like you with Sony, then perhaps later as a primary camera if appreciated enough.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Not my SEM21.
    +1, all three of my copies, including my current were/is fine.

    Though there is a problem with 21SEM lenses, sometimes one of the elements doesn't sit right. I know of three people who had to send theirs in for this issue. Usually makes one side of the image more soft then the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
    +1, all three of my copies, including my current were/is fine.

    Though there is a problem with 21SEM lenses, sometimes one of the elements doesn't sit right. I know of three people who had to send theirs in for this issue. Usually makes one side of the image more soft then the other.
    There was a recall on some of the first ones and perhaps those are the ones causing the element problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    I like it - I've had one on and off since 2013 - here are some very short thoughts and a few snaps
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    You have said that you didn't get on with the 28mm Summicron (which is my experience; it doesn't seem to be very sharp, in my case, although I know that it is others' favourite lens).

    Quite a few of your (beautiful) sample shots are at f/8 or f/11. Presumably there is little difference between the 28mm Summicron and the Summilux at those apertures? Can you say a bit more about why you decided to keep the Summilux and not the Summicron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrp View Post
    You have said that you didn't get on with the 28mm Summicron (which is my experience; it doesn't seem to be very sharp, in my case, although I know that it is others' favourite lens).

    Quite a few of your (beautiful) sample shots are at f/8 or f/11. Presumably there is little difference between the 28mm Summicron and the Summilux at those apertures? Can you say a bit more about why you decided to keep the Summilux and not the Summicron?
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    My Summicron seemed to Lack 'Zing'. But it could have been a bad copy. I think it was lacking in micro-contrast rather than sharpness. I like the summilux better at all apertures. I guess that this is all pretty subjective.
    I also like the little Elmarit Asph. (That used to have a poor reputation in the days of the M8, but these days everyone seems to like it!)

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    My Summicron seemed to Lack 'Zing'. But it could have been a bad copy. I think it was lacking in micro-contrast rather than sharpness. I like the summilux better at all apertures. I guess that this is all pretty subjective.
    I also like the little Elmarit Asph. (That used to have a poor reputation in the days of the M8, but these days everyone seems to like it!)
    I think that the 28 Elmarit Asph had a poor reputation only because it was too cheap to be a Leica lens.
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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    "Out and about on its own?" Except for Jono, I don't see much evidence for this title. My pre-order is in. If anyone else has one, please don't be shy.

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    The 28mm Elmarit-M Asph is tremendous in my eyes....

    The 28mm Lux looks interesting, for sure. I have the 24 Lux and love that lens, however. It has a stunning look to the images. Lots but never too much comes to mind. I understand the 28 Lux is more like the 35mm FLE in look?

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    The lens should be shipped soon now. UK dealers are getting the lens.

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    My dealer in California sez there are three copies en route in their first shipment. That sounds like swifter fulfillment than with past new products. Of course, I'm not one of the first three in line so I have to hope the flow continues at this rate...

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    I have one (manufactured last August). I have not had time to try it properly. So far I am not convinced that the focusing is properly matched to my M240; I suspect that it is front focusing, but it could be operator error. The rangfinder and live view do not seem to be completely in sync. Nice 3D effect at f1.4.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by jrp View Post
    I have one (manufactured last August). I have not had time to try it properly. So far I am not convinced that the focusing is properly matched to my M240; I suspect that it is front focusing, but it could be operator error. The rangfinder and live view do not seem to be completely in sync. Nice 3D effect at f1.4.
    How did you get one from last August? I know there were review samples out, but how did you come across one nearly 10 months before introduction and on top of that you did not try out properly. Wow.
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    I've already been offered this lens. Turned my dealer down. I'll wait till I see more samples before I decide if it's for me or not.

    Truthfully, I'm trying to minimise my collection to "bare essentials"

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    It's a new boxed one; dealers are getting them.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by jrp View Post
    I have one (manufactured last August). I have not had time to try it properly. So far I am not convinced that the focusing is properly matched to my M240; I suspect that it is front focusing, but it could be operator error. The rangfinder and live view do not seem to be completely in sync. Nice 3D effect at f1.4.
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    It's a new boxed one; dealers are getting them.
    Understand. But you said the one you got was "manufactured last August". That means August 2014. Are you sure about this or are you a new troll?

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    Well that is what it says on the box label with serial number. I suppose that they could have made the box and label last august and made the lens in the last month or so, but I'd go with a simpler explanation.

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    Well that is what it says on the box label with serial number. I suppose that they could have made the box and label last august and made the lens in the last month or so, but I'd go with a simpler explanation.
    I notice Leica uses the YYYY/MM/DD system on the labels that I have on all my newer US products from them. I do not know if date labels are different for different countries, but I doubt that very much. It's the 2014 you mention that is way off base and if true is a Leica mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I notice Leica uses the YYYY/MM/DD system on the labels that I have on all my newer US products from them. I do not know if date labels are different for different countries, but I doubt that very much. It's the 2014 you mention that is way off base and if true is a Leica mistake.
    Actually, there is a chap from UK with his Lux 28 manufactured from last November. I think Leica has been at it for a while. That certainly explains why Jono got his copy since March.

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    Well that is what it says on the box label with serial number. I suppose that they could have made the box and label last august and made the lens in the last month or so, but I'd go with a simpler explanation.
    Can you confirm that this lens has no front filter thread? Thank you.

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    Yes, if you unscrew the front, which may be a polaroid holder, you will get a filter mount.

    The box label is attached.
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    Yes, if you unscrew the front, which may be a polaroid holder, you will get a filter mount.

    The box label is attached.
    Thanks jrp. That label is totaly weird to me. Sounds like it takes a Series VII filter or maybe Series VI.
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    No, it takes regular filters; I haven't figured out what the dummy filter is for. even looking at the accessories in the manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrp View Post
    No, it takes regular filters; I haven't figured out what the dummy filter is for. even looking at the accessories in the manual.
    It sounds as if the lens shade works like the ones on the 21 and 24 Summiluxes, which screw in with an external thread that stops rotating just at the right point to make the edges of the shade line up horizontally or vertically. Those indicate the filter size on the outside: Series VIII for the 21 and Series VII for the 24. Does the new 28 indicate a filter series size on the outside of the lens?

    What dummy filter are you referring to?

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    The dummy filter is a ring that you need to unscrew to expose the threads needed to fit a regular (49mm) filter. Outside it says E49.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Is the focus off because it has been sitting in a box, unused for a long time?

    Any pics using it?

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    The same date (2014/08/11) appears on the labels of three copies of this lens which just arrived in California. So now we know when the boxes were printed.

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    jrp - There are two components. One is a hood. It screws to outer threads. The other is a simple ring. When not using the hood you screw the ring to the outer threads to protect the thin fragile outer threads. That ring is JUST to protect the threads when not using the hood.

    A filter will screw into the the 28lux as any normal filter would screw into any lens.

    It takes 49mm filters BTW. Some might not fit with the ring and hood. I'm sure though that the B+W MRC x-pro nano slim ones would. And so would the Leica ones.

    BTW, you put the filter on, then put the hood on.
    Or if you're using the thread protector ring.. You put the ring on, then you put the filter on.
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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    JRP, Do you rent the lens out? I could use one for a month.

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    JRP, Do you rent the lens out? I could use one for a month.
    Whatever price you agree to with Vivek I'll pay a bit more and I only need it for 2 weeks. Deal?

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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    Can't you just buy a sample, Lou? how many lists have your name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aDam007 View Post
    jrp - There are two components. One is a hood. It screws to outer threads. The other is a simple ring. When not using the hood you screw the ring to the outer threads to protect the thin fragile outer threads. That ring is JUST to protect the threads when not using the hood.

    A filter will screw into the the 28lux as any normal filter would screw into any lens.

    It takes 49mm filters BTW. Some might not fit with the ring and hood. I'm sure though that the B+W MRC x-pro nano slim ones would. And so would the Leica ones.

    BTW, you put the filter on, then put the hood on.
    Or if you're using the thread protector ring.. You put the ring on, then you put the filter on.
    Adam, this might be a new thing. They have a metal ring protecting the inner thread instead. Here is a couple of pictures from HK dealers.




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    Re: leica 28mm 1.4 is out and about on its own

    There's no ring protecting the outer threads?
    I just had a conversation with my friend yesterday about his new 28lux. He was telling me the same thing, but I thought he meant the outer ring. So I was explaining to him the same way I was explaining to JRP. WHOOPS, hope I didn't confuse him

    He was trying to tell me he didn't know how the filter fit on.. I guess I need to call him up and tell him there's a way to unscrew the inside ring.. LOL

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