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    Quote Originally Posted by jlindstrom View Post
    Holy cow, that’s expensive!

    For any subscription site, I might consider paying 10$ annual and not one cent more.

    I’m paying 180$ annual for my news paper subscription and it’s a daily blast of news & info upwards of 40 large pages (broadsheet).
    Interesting, I also compared it with my newspaper...but he is also more expensive than Netflix, HBO Now, Amazon Prime, Filmstruck with all the Criterion Collection etc etc. I get that he writes a lot and works hard, but that is quite a steep price when compared to the rest of the market. That's even more than renting Lightroom and Photoshop on the cloud for a year...
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    I too will not pay Lloyd's tax, whilst I can't access his expensive reviews; I do regularly look at his homepage. Curiously, he is the only reviewer I know of to be highly critical of an M10 EVF implementation which also drives me crazy; in order to access the live histogram [with shutter half-press] one must endure a cropped EVF picture at top and bottom [prior to 'half-press'] with unwanted camera setting icons absurdly replacing the top and bottom of one's intended composition. It's a pretty stupid implementation, but there again so is the absence of a level, or the blinking red dot in the viewfinder when using exposure compensation. I'm glad Lloyd is critical.

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    I tried his reviews years ago and it was nice to read when I was first getting into Leica (along with Sean Reid) but I found a heavy Zeiss bias (even though I'm a big Zeiss fan myself) in his recommendations. What I will say is that there is so much information out there for "free" if you have the time to search forums, read the usual suspects (like DPReview, FStoppers, PetaPixel, Photography Life, Imaging Resource, etc.), and watch some YouTube videos over a period of time then make a decision if buying from a B&H or Amazon type store with a generous return policy if the product doesn't work for you in the end. It all goes in the pot and in the end, it helps you as the end user determine what you tend to like.
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    Are there subscription sites offering buying advice on vacuum cleaners or kitchen utensils?

    BTW, I prefer Ken Rockwell among the free review sites.

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    Re: Getting tired of Diglloyd

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Are there subscription sites offering buying advice on vacuum cleaners or kitchen utensils?
    In the UK, there is Which?, the magazine of the Consumers' Association. They test vacuum cleaners and much more. Originally, a paper magazine, it now has reviews etc on line.

    There is a similar magazine/association in Germany, in Australia, and IIRC in the US.

    Perhaps that's not what you were thinking of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Are there subscription sites offering buying advice on vacuum cleaners or kitchen utensils?

    BTW, I prefer Ken Rockwell among the free review sites.
    Yeah there’s Consumer Reports and the like stateside... I trust their opinions less than paid camera review sites.
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    Re: Getting tired of Diglloyd

    Caveat Emptor ...
    Remember: adventure before dementia!

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    His business model relies on finding faults that no one else has found. He seems to get more than his fair share of bad luck when it comes to equipment.

    For sure, I think that we are entitled to expect perfection for the price that Leica (or, indeed, other top brands now charge) and he is entitled to point out when we are not getting it. But there is no such thing as a perfect camera (system) so we should be in the land of strengths and weaknesses.

    I gave up on him for a combination of reasons: his click-bait style, the lack of any summary / conclusion / assessments in many of his test sequences, and the fact that, despite his putting up hi-res images, I couldn't, in many cases, see what he was talking about when comparing the perfection of this Zeiss lens in comparison with that Leica lens, etc. All this adds up to poor value for money, especially if you have to subscribe to multiple channels.


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    Total Perfection...I think it doesnt exist. if you want you can always find something.
    The question for me is : can you focus on the exceptional points of something/a produccr or is your goal to find something negative. I do hope for Digiloyd that his type of reviewing cameras is different from his way of looking into life.
    I think it is totally good to point out also negative points, but it should be balanced. I stopped reading Digiloyd when his findings did not mirror my own experience, and when asking questions about the differences about his and my findings I didnt get any good/convincing answers.

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    My take on DL is that his style of photography would be best served by a tech cam and a live-view back. Most of his criticism can be viewed in that light: the farther a camera strays from a tech cam, the worse the review. Obviously Leica gets some of the worst reviews, given that they make great lenses and then "ruin" them with sensors that do not offer the most megapixels. The nerve of those Germans!

    DL could buy a tech cam, a decent back, and a few lenses, but then his reviewing business would take a big hit! Between that and photography, only one pays the bills.

    In a way, Ming Thein had a similar problem. His site reviewed a lot of equipment that was unsuited to his style of photography. He eventually accepted this state of affairs, and took his career in a different direction (working with and for Hasselblad).

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    I do hope for Digiloyd that his type of reviewing cameras is different from his way of looking into life.
    I hope so too.
    I suspect that the anger and resentment have done well for him, in terms of page views/subscriptions. It sets his site apart from other review sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Are there subscription sites offering buying advice on vacuum cleaners or kitchen utensils?
    The best of these has always been Consumer Reports. They do actual lab tests (for dishwasher capabilities) with real dried-on sticky food, and they maintain a very useful data base of car reliabiity and maintenance expense. I usually subscribe for a year each time we need to replace a car. In the areas that they consider, they are trustworthy. Just like camera reviewers, you use them for what they know, and ignore what they are known not to consider.
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    Re: Getting tired of Diglloyd

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    The best of these has always been Consumer Reports. They do actual lab tests (for dishwasher capabilities) with real dried-on sticky food, and they maintain a very useful data base of car reliabiity and maintenance expense. I usually subscribe for a year each time we need to replace a car. In the areas that they consider, they are trustworthy. Just like camera reviewers, you use them for what they know, and ignore what they are known not to consider.

    The "real dried-on sticky food" used in European tests by the consumer organizations is spinach. Not just any spinach; there is a farm that grows special spinach which is only used for such tests. Consistency and reproducibility.
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    Have you visited his page lately? It's plastered with ads for OWC and B&H which he apparently is a paid shill for. Looks pretty awful.

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    Have you visited his page lately?
    Not lately, but last time I was there he was posting paid reviews for Zeiss, which made me lose respect for him, and for Zeiss.
    The motivation is understandable from DL's point of view, but I can't imagine why Zeiss wants to get involved. It makes them look like a fly-by-night, not like a respectable firm with a 170 history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    The best of these has always been Consumer Reports. They do actual lab tests (for dishwasher capabilities) with real dried-on sticky food, and they maintain a very useful data base of car reliabiity and maintenance expense. I usually subscribe for a year each time we need to replace a car. In the areas that they consider, they are trustworthy. Just like camera reviewers, you use them for what they know, and ignore what they are known not to consider.
    OTOH many years ago Consumer Reports recommended the Miranda Sensorex over the Nikon F. Their recommendations can be useful for the average consumer but of limited value for a specialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    The best of these has always been Consumer Reports. They do actual lab tests (for dishwasher capabilities) with real dried-on sticky food, and they maintain a very useful data base of car reliabiity and maintenance expense. I usually subscribe for a year each time we need to replace a car. In the areas that they consider, they are trustworthy. Just like camera reviewers, you use them for what they know, and ignore what they are known not to consider.
    I would sort of beg to differ... I worked for a consumer research firm in college that conducted surveys on behalf of Consumer Reports... without going into too much detail Consumer Reports reviews aren’t worth much IMO. They employ some questionable practices as well. I didn’t use to think that but there are some skewed aspects to what and how they make recommendations that aren’t apparent to the Consumer.

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    Well, whatever it is he is doing, he seems to be surviving. However, whereas, in the past, he used to produce rounded critiques of new products, he now seems to generate only click-bait. To take today's front page at random, the (unreleased) A7R4 is declared useless because it does not offer lossless raw compression and because it is only 60Mpx, compared to the GFX's 100. Even that camera is not without its flaws, however. And so it goes.

    For some therapy, you could try the likes of: https://www.streetsilhouettes.com/ho...-too-many-gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrp View Post
    Well, whatever it is he is doing, he seems to be surviving. However, whereas, in the past, he used to produce rounded critiques of new products, he now seems to generate only click-bait. To take today's front page at random, the (unreleased) A7R4 is declared useless because it does not offer lossless raw compression and because it is only 60Mpx, compared to the GFX's 100. Even that camera is not without its flaws, however. And so it goes.

    For some therapy, you could try the likes of: https://www.streetsilhouettes.com/ho...-too-many-gear
    Nice girls but way too much text and theory IMO and always the same subject (even they are pretty).
    I agree about digiloyd as well though. boring and only searching for the salt of grain in any projects.

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    (His latest blog explains why he always shoots the same subjects, but not how he manages to make all that gear pay for itself.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrp View Post
    Well, whatever it is he is doing, he seems to be surviving. However, whereas, in the past, he used to produce rounded critiques of new products, he now seems to generate only click-bait. To take today's front page at random, the (unreleased) A7R4 is declared useless because it does not offer lossless raw compression and because it is only 60Mpx, compared to the GFX's 100. Even that camera is not without its flaws, however. And so it goes.

    For some therapy, you could try the likes of: https://www.streetsilhouettes.com/ho...-too-many-gear
    Everything he writes MUST be taken in context . His interests lie in obtaining the absolute best image quality given his preferred landscape tests . These tests are by design used to highlight the weaknesses in any system . In this context he is saying .....why would you select the New Sony A7R4 when the Fuji 100 is near perfect .

    He points out that IF YOU ARE FOCUS STACKING .....the Fuji 100 is highly productive yielding best in class results and with a high degree of certainty . The Sony by comparison is a B&tch to record a stack leaving the process to your ability to control every capture .

    The lack of an effective raw file compression just creates a potential bottle neck in processing and storing the many captures associated with focus stacking .

    Those seem to be two very relevant differences between the Sony and the Fuji .....IF you anticipate that focus stacking will become a part of your capture process.

    In my case I do not anticipate doing any focus stacking (mostly street and travel shooter ) ...so those differences are not relevant .

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    At the top of his page "Your Support is Essential"

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    I'd like to say something positive about Lloyd. Whilst he seems to have abandoned Leica he did get an M10 in his hands and gave it a brief review. I have read many M10 reviews, and on-line threads about it's glory. He is the only reviewer I have read who spotted immediately that if you want to use an M10 with the EVF live histogram, the default Leica setting requires you to view your EVF image with Leica's inflicted crop of the top and bottom of your EVF image before accessing the live histogram [done by half pressing the shutter]. [And don't get me banging on about the stupidity of only being able to view the EVF 'Level' [M10-P, M10-'upgrade'] with that same EVF crop mode].

    The point is Lloyd spotted it and wrote about it, and criticised Leica for their ridiculous, obstructive, crop-feature, and rightly so. I value that honesty.

    For the record; I am not a Lloyd subscriber, I do have an M10-'upgrade', I have written to Leica about their infuriating crop-feature, and after all this time since it's launch, Leica have still not updated the camera firmware so the inflicted 'header' and 'footer' crops can be disabled.

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    I in turn am tired of the endless bitching about Diglloyd s blog . If you have never subscribed then I suggest you STFU for you add nothing to the discussion . If you have subscribed and find his detailed reports adding little value ...so be it . He has his perspective and bias just like any other reviewer . It is as yours would in turn ..based on what is important to him in his work . I am not sure how knowing you didn t find anything worthwhile is productive ands its certainly not interesting . Want to debate a conclusion ..like Sony verse Fuji for focus stacking ..great we can use that type of discussion .

    Almost everything he values is based on “getting sharp images “ and producing the very best image quality . He backs up his findings with an incredible amount of detail and you can view the test images and draw your own conclusions .

    He talks about things like “focus shift” and “field curvature “ which are damn important if your goal is best image quality . Every try to calibrate a 35 summilux on a Leica M and find that focus shift precludes any hope at f2.8 thru f4 . Wonder why the files look great to you but the edges look soft in a detailed test ...ever consider field curvature ? Why does a best in class portrait lens perform poorly for landscape ?

    His experience with range finder cameras is deficient ....they simply do not provide the degree of focusing accuracy to insure maximum image quality . NO KIDDING ... RF cameras have plenty of advantages particularly for street work but focusing accuracy is not one of them . I just ignore anything he posts about RF cameras .

    The next generation of cameras will all rely heavily on artificial intelligence (AI) built into the firmware . This is what allows for the automated focus stacking on the Fuji GFX 100 and the pixel shifting on the Panasonic S1/S1R . In short done well it makes possible image quality beyond what we have had . These are subjects that Lloyd gets into .

    His conclusions are NOT ALWAYS correct ..he leads with his chin ...often drawing conclusions before all the facts are available . He has many traits that are irritating but don t "throw the baby out with the bath water “ there is plenty to learn from his reports . Compare his findings to Jim Kassan or Sean Reid and you will find a high degree of agreement ...but Lloyd provides a huge amount of samples to review (helpful for those that don t believe anything they didn t produce ).
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    Getting tired of Getting Tired of Diglloyd.
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