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Does that mean anything?Your friend, Steve is now more than smitten and has some nice samples where he makes the SL "Camera of the Year":
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2015/11/30/leica-sl-camera-review-my-camera-of-the-year-2015/
After the evolution his posts and reviews have taken over the last years, this does not tell anything IMHO - neither bad nor good.Ashwin, you are making the camera look very good
Your friend, Steve is now more than smitten and has some nice samples where he makes the SL "Camera of the Year":
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2015/11/30/leica-sl-camera-review-my-camera-of-the-year-2015/
Confused? Vivek? by Steve Huff?Does that mean anything?
I wonder why he believes the SL beats the M with M lenses.After the evolution his posts and reviews have taken over the last year, this does not tell anything - neither bad nor good.
He is just jumping around "mentally" like an i.... and what was great one day is forgotten the other day. How long will it take before he has another darling camera? :angry:
Definitely the Leica SL deserves much much more than whatever review from him!
Hi Johno - have you switched to LR?Confused? Vivek? by Steve Huff?
I don't think so.
Interesting. I haven't done any in-depth comparison testing and I don't own a 35FLE, but overall I find the SL's in-camera produced colors to be excellent, more to my liking, than the M-P typ 240's (which are not at all bad...). What I'm truly amazed at is the match between the SL's in-camera JPEG rendering and what LR6.3 does rendering its DNG files ... the color and density match are excellent on the LR defaults. The M-P match between its in-camera JPEGs and DNGs processed in LR 6.3 is nowhere near as good.I wonder why he believes the SL beats the M with M lenses.
I just shot some side by sides with the 35FLE on the M and the SL and have to say the M 240 color comes out more natural and more alive, and for me 35mm M lens is easier to focus on the M.
I like the SL a lot so far but I believe there is some work due in regards of the color profiles.
i was coming from a place of using Sony FE, E, and Micro 4/3 cameras. All can show smearing with some Leica M lenses as Godfrey and Vivek pointed out. The ones that smear on the Micro 4/3 are usually worse on a FF body naturally but it's very lens dependant. I didn't have any noticeable smearing from a Voigtlander 21/1.8 or 35/1.2 and most don't have any obvious smearing at all using a WATE on Sony FE bodies.Hi There Tre
I think that smearing is a purely Sony phenomenon - certainly it's not visible on the SL with any of the lenses I've used (lots). Added to which, again, on the Sony it's not the extreme corners, with some lenses it's a significant part of the frame.
Whilst the M240 performs a little better than the SL (as Sean Reid has demonstrated), the SL is a whole quantum leap better than the A7 cameras - which is hardly surprising, not only does it have a much thinner cover glass, but it has firmware corrections and modified microlenses too.
I'm only saying this as you seem to be clumping together all mirrorless cameras, and I dont think that's right.
The A7s are fantastic with the native lenses, and of course with the Zeiss lenses designed to go with them.
I think it's a truism that you will get the best performance out of native lenses . . . . which in the case of the SL means T, M, R, S and SL lenses - all have proper lens corrections, and the sensor for the SL has been designed with these lenses in mind.
Hi thereBattery life REALLY sucks. Seriously confused as to how they got it right in the Q, but wrong in the SL.
Yes DammitHi Johno - have you switched to LR?
Jono,Yes Dammit
I started using it at the beginning of the year - after a long comparison with Capture One . . . and something else I've forgotten! I still don't like it anything like as much as Aperture, but for the time being it seems to be the only horse.
Hi there
I'm up with all your positive points - I actually like the character of the zoom lens . . . . but maybe I've had longer to learn it, or possibly my eyes have been affected by the lack of issues it presents.
Battery Life
is an interesting one. I agree that if you wander about with the camera switched on and the LCD on, then it seems to last about a day (without much reference to the number of shots you take).
However, on the couple of occasions I've been shooting events it's been great - more than 700 images on two occasions. I think it was Ming Thein who said he had got more than 1000 shots from it - So it seems to be a bit unpredictable, I always shoot with GPS on and Wifi off (FWIW).
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Yes Dammit
I started using it at the beginning of the year - after a long comparison with Capture One . . . and something else I've forgotten! I still don't like it anything like as much as Aperture, but for the time being it seems to be the only horse.
HI There MattJono,
If it's not too off-topic, how did C1 lose its horse status? The only thing that would pry me from it would be if a Leica or Hasselblad MF kit dropped into my lap. (And if you've made your decision, then looking at C1 v9 is probably a bad idea).
Best,
Matt
That sounds very weird - I leave GPS on, and I usually leave the camera on as well - I do mostly have it on EVF only, I never turn off OIS (and I never got 2000 shots with a Q either!). . . . perhaps you should try leaving everything on!It's entirely possible that I have a bad battery. It would explain the banding that I get sometimes and then other times not at all. It would also explain a few other things.
When Leica releases spare batteries I'll buy one. If the problem goes away, I'll assume I had a bad battery and contact Leica about it.
I shoot the SL like I shoot the Q, and with the Q I almost got 2000 shots at one wedding!! So the SL is way behind at 300 before a dead battery. And I'm pretty diligent about switching the camera on and off as I walk around. MAYBE the sensor cleaning is draining batteries? Maybe OIS is? I try keeping it off when outdoors in the sun.
Also I keep wifi and GPS off.. I don't need either of those things.
The reason the DNG files always work is because there are generic profiles for color which are not bad (C1 is still using them) and the tricky stuff, like distortion and LCA corrections are baked into the DNG as "manufacturer's instructions," so they don't have to wait for the tools people to figure them out independently. But I agree that Leica doesn't seem to give Phase One much help (as rivals in Medium Format). I'm trying to figure out if there are ICC color profiles for the SL in COne 9, but I don't think they are there yet. The other stuff worked in version 8.HI There Matt
I have looked at 9 - I've never really liked the colour (just me), but the real problem with C1 is that the DAM isn't yet good enough.
But there are practical reasons - LR always supports the Leica cameras first, but more to the point, the DNG files always work in Lightroom even if there isn't explicit support.
The colors in C1P9 look much better IMHO for SL DNGs compared to C1P8 (have only a certain number of DNGs from my test shots, but if these are representative then C1P9 rocks)!The reason the DNG files always work is because there are generic profiles for color which are not bad (C1 is still using them) and the tricky stuff, like distortion and LCA corrections are baked into the DNG as "manufacturer's instructions," so they don't have to wait for the tools people to figure them out independently. But I agree that Leica doesn't seem to give Phase One much help (as rivals in Medium Format). I'm trying to figure out if there are ICC color profiles for the SL in COne 9, but I don't think they are there yet. The other stuff worked in version 8.
And I hate the DAM stuff. Don't use it. If I can't find something, it didn't happen.
scott
I have a few hundred thousand pics still in Aperture. I agree it's the best DAM and pretty good (especially with available plugins) at everything else. I can't argue with the colors you get out of LR :thumbup:But Bah - I still prefer Aperture, I've even considered moving back again!
That sounds very weird - I leave GPS on, and I usually leave the camera on as well - I do mostly have it on EVF only, I never turn off OIS (and I never got 2000 shots with a Q either!). . . . perhaps you should try leaving everything on!
I'm sad that you don't like the zoom though - perhaps it'll grow on you over time?