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New Leica M ... ?
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stephengilbert
Active member
At the risk of roiling up the faithful, am I correct that omitting the LCD costs 1500 dollars more?
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Vivek
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Re: New Leica M ..
....only if it has no view finder as well! Wait, that would cost $1500 more, right?
iiiNelson
Well-known member
I can't help but think that someone will be pissed when the rangefinder eventually needs recalibration and they don't realize until after they shot a set of pics. I don't get the fascination with no LCD or modern features like live view but I guess the camera isn't made for me.
Godfrey
Well-known member
As I figured, no interest from the techno-oriented crowd in this forum. Such it is.
The Leica M-D typ 262 is the Leica M I would have purchased in an instant if they'd offered it instead of the Leica M Edition 60, and if I didn't now have the Leica M-P typ 240. It is the first digital camera with the simplicity of my favorite M6 from many years back.
If I were buying now (meaning, if I didn't already have the M-P), I would choose the M-D for the lack of control clutter. There's more room for my fingers to hold and work the camera without hitting buttons and such, which is what I like about the M4-2 as well. I hardly ever use anything on the M-P anymore other than my favorite 35mm and 75mm lenses, and now occasionally the WATE when I'm in a wide-angle frame of mind, and only use the EVF when I want to be a little more precise about framing with the WATE.
But I have the M-P and I can't rationalize spending money on another M since I don't mind the M-P's buttons and controls all that much.
I hope the M-D does well in the market and motivates Leica to keep producing cameras like this. It's not a camera for everyone, or even many, but for those of us who value simple cameras it is a significant piece.
The Leica M-D typ 262 is the Leica M I would have purchased in an instant if they'd offered it instead of the Leica M Edition 60, and if I didn't now have the Leica M-P typ 240. It is the first digital camera with the simplicity of my favorite M6 from many years back.
If I were buying now (meaning, if I didn't already have the M-P), I would choose the M-D for the lack of control clutter. There's more room for my fingers to hold and work the camera without hitting buttons and such, which is what I like about the M4-2 as well. I hardly ever use anything on the M-P anymore other than my favorite 35mm and 75mm lenses, and now occasionally the WATE when I'm in a wide-angle frame of mind, and only use the EVF when I want to be a little more precise about framing with the WATE.
But I have the M-P and I can't rationalize spending money on another M since I don't mind the M-P's buttons and controls all that much.
I hope the M-D does well in the market and motivates Leica to keep producing cameras like this. It's not a camera for everyone, or even many, but for those of us who value simple cameras it is a significant piece.
Hosermage
Active member
I'd buy it, eventually. It just sucks that you know it's near the end of the line for this round of sensor and tech. I wish that for the next iteration, Leica would offer all models together: regular (m240), P-series (m-p), photo-only (m262), and D-series (m-d). Let people choose what they'll buy at the start of the life cycle. If they do that, then I would give M-D a shot.
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
My dream camera. Period. Concentrate on what I do, not on what I did. I know, I know... I can always switch off whatever I don't need. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple. It's psychology. Every option that is there is a potential distraction. Should I do video of this? Should I check the exposure of the last frame? Was that one sharp? Am I sure that I got the optimal face expression?
I used an OM-1 as my main camera for 30 years, the last ten shooting slow film exclusively (and assorted OM-10s as backup, they tended to fall apart as opposed to the OM-1), and I never missed any option that the OM-1 didn't have. Simplification makes me concentrate better on photography. Were some of my photos out of focus? Yup. Did I have motion blur when I shouldn't? Yup, particularly when shooting ISO 50 film at night. Would I have had more keepers if I had AF and ISO one million? Possible, but I tend to enjoy the photos that I did get, not the ones I missed (there's one exception, but that isn't camera related).
Unfortunately, I don't know if I'll ever be able to afford the M-D, but I'll have a look at finances again in a couple of years. I would need a lens too; the APO-Summicron 50mm would be nice. Fortunately, I have more cameras than I'll be able to wear out in a lifetime anyway, so this isn't really important. It would be nice though.
I used an OM-1 as my main camera for 30 years, the last ten shooting slow film exclusively (and assorted OM-10s as backup, they tended to fall apart as opposed to the OM-1), and I never missed any option that the OM-1 didn't have. Simplification makes me concentrate better on photography. Were some of my photos out of focus? Yup. Did I have motion blur when I shouldn't? Yup, particularly when shooting ISO 50 film at night. Would I have had more keepers if I had AF and ISO one million? Possible, but I tend to enjoy the photos that I did get, not the ones I missed (there's one exception, but that isn't camera related).
Unfortunately, I don't know if I'll ever be able to afford the M-D, but I'll have a look at finances again in a couple of years. I would need a lens too; the APO-Summicron 50mm would be nice. Fortunately, I have more cameras than I'll be able to wear out in a lifetime anyway, so this isn't really important. It would be nice though.
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
While that would indeed be convenient, this is clearly a single user camera, so I would do fine with a correction lens. Non-enthusiasts mostly won't be able to focus it properly anyway, and many young people won't even figure out what the viewfinder is for :wtf:
Using it this way pretty much 100% of time for many years (with cameras before oly too). Don't show it to Leica.
Less buttons would be cool with me though.
Also, there is always duct tape over the screen
Don't show it to Leica by Oleg Shpak, on Flickr
Less buttons would be cool with me though.
Also, there is always duct tape over the screen
Don't show it to Leica by Oleg Shpak, on Flickr
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
One of the reasons why I liked my Panasonic cameras so much.Using it this way pretty much 100% of time for many years (with cameras before oly too). Don't show it to Leica.
Less buttons would be cool with me though.
Also, there is always duct tape over the screen
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Vivek
Guest
An Epson with live view would make that swivel lcd a lot more useful!
Godfrey
Well-known member
What makes me happy: I read the entire M-D instruction manual in less than 15 minutes, and could have figured out how to use every function of the camera without ever opening it except, maybe, for setting the date and time.
As I said before, if I didn't already have the M-P, I'd have ordered the M-D already. Since I'm content with the M-P already, the only 'excuse' that will land an M-D into my camera cabinet is that some unexpected windfall comes my way and I want one of these more than anything else. It would be a pure luxury—an unnecessary, frivolous purchase (kind of like the Nikon F6 last year was...) to celebrate the joy of living.
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